[Closed] Titus Fireline Ti 29 Evo..

email from Brant said 34.9 seat post collar

Boring question... but what would be the warranty on these frames...? Can't see any detail on the on one site.

Site updated with some frame spec stuff.

Warranty is 2yrs.

The headset size required quoted on the On One website is ZS44, EC50. Is this the same as ZS44, EC49? I think the lower measurement is actually 49.57mm?

If its made by Van Nicolas - why only a 2year warranty? As Van Nic offer a lifetime.....

The On One badged Lynskey 456ti frames came with a lifetime warranty

Warranty is 2yrs

Surprised at that

EDIT Rik beat me to it!

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I guess 'cos it limits on-ones liability and keeps costs down?

The headset size required quoted on the On One website is ZS44, EC50. Is this the same as ZS44, EC49? I think the lower measurement is actually 49.57mm?

EC49. Quite right. I will ammend.

If its made by Van Nicolas - why only a 2year warranty?

It's not made by Van Nicolas.

Warranty now sat at 3yrs. Am discussing.

Available early December, is this still right Brant?

So will one be at London Bike Show then?

Warranty now sat at 3yrs. Am discussing.

I'm not in the market to buy one as I already have 2 very nice 29ers in Ti, but if I was then I wouldn't buy one with a limited warranty lifespan.

The old titus frames (rrp around £1600) had a final rub-up with scotch brite and I always thought it spoilt the look of it. I remember the old website or one of the old catalogue's showing a worker finishing them off and once you unboxed the frames you could see that the welds were nicely laid out but slightly spoilt by scotch brite scuffings going across the welds. Infact,the welds had polishing/heat marks going across them. (poor welder must have been pissed off)

I always cursed this person at the end of the production line. In the above pic,is this still happening?

Tell them to buff up only what's needed!!

Andy - Member

Warranty now sat at 3yrs. Am discussing.

I'm not in the market to buy one as I already have 2 very nice 29ers in Ti, but if I was then I wouldn't buy one with a limited warranty lifespan

Specifically because it's a Ti frame ?

Would you buy an Alu frame with a 2-3 year warranty ?

Specifically because it's a Ti frame ?

Would you buy an Alu frame with a 2-3 year warranty ?

Kind of agree with Andy. I'm not sure of relative failure rates, but if alu frame fails it's a much lower loss. Steel frames are fairly easy to repair. If a ti frame fails (and they do as polenty of threads on here show) it's an expensive and specialist repair. Hence I'd want a longer warranty or (as On-one) a cheap intial cost.

Sorry should have been a bit clearer. Any frame will fail but I guess if I am paying £700-£800 for a bicycle frame I'd expect it to last longer than 3 years, or the supplier to make an undertaking that they expect it to lat longer and back that with a warranty.

Sorry should have been a bit clearer. Any frame will fail but I guess if I am paying £700-£800 for a bicycle frame I'd expect it to last longer than 3 years, or the supplier to make an undertaking that they expect it to lat longer and back that with a warranty.

I dont see the problem, Santa Cruz only have a 2 year warranty on their carbon frames that are 3 times the cost of the evo.

I'm out now, just sorted an awesome deal on a Lynskey Pro29 VF 🙂

In fairness both On One and Santa Cruz both have very good reputations with Warranty claims

Kind of agree with Andy. I'm not sure of relative failure rates, but if alu frame fails it's a much lower loss. Steel frames are fairly easy to repair. If a ti frame fails (and they do as polenty of threads on here show) it's an expensive and specialist repair. Hence I'd want a longer warranty or (as On-one) a cheap intial cost.

Didn't someoen on here get a Ti frame repaired and it turned out to be a lot less than people imagined (about £120 to re-attach his headtube rings a bell)? And 2-3 years is still a fair amount of time, long enough for any manufacturig defects to show up, which is what a warrenty covers, a component reaching it's fatigue limit or being stuffed into a tree wouldnt be covered under any warenty (although some places might offer some good will).

And if the price stays as it is then it's not much more (and sometimes less) than some comparable aluminium frames anyway (SC highball £599, canfield yelli £850, titus fireline £699).

We all know that a warranty has a cost associated to it for the supplier, so I wonder how folk would feel about buying an extended warranty on bikes/frames? Pretty common thing to do on most consumer goods, cars, etc these days. If I was buying a frame for 700 quid I could be quite tempted if they were also selling an extended warranty.

We all know that an extended warranty has a profit associated to it for the supplier, so I wonder how folk would feel about buying an extended warranty on bikes/frames? Pretty common thing to do on most consumer goods, cars, etc these days.

FTFY

If your TV stops working it's hard to the manufactuer to argue as it shouldn't fail unless you've poured coffee down it, if a bike fails then they could just say you've used it more than average and have had a a reasnoble lifetime out of it, as any manufacturing/design flaw lieka weld not penetrating properly or a seatstay not upto the disk brake forces will become apparent relatively soon.

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Is it yours?

ooooh that's pretty 🙂

Does this mean they are now in stock and being shipped out ?

Titus US have them up on their shop now, with some pics. The larger size doesn't quite look as nice to my eyes. Shame. It also looks like the headtube is to long and needs cutting down above the TT.

http://shop.titusti.com/product-p/frtitfl29.htm

The warranty is 2 years "for all structural issues and manufacturing faults" according to the man from On-one, who also helpfully then added "The paint and bushings are covered for 1 year for manufacturing defects." Paint, bushings? Right then.

Paint, bushings? Right then

😆

Seems the seatpost diameter is 31.6mm not 30.9mm according to one of the first owners, is this correct Brant?

So some have been sent out?

usa only unfortunately

The HT does look as though it extends a bit too long.......

Seems the seatpost diameter is 31.6mm not 30.9mm according to one of the first owners, is this correct Brant?

I hope not ... I have a brand new 30.9 Reverb sitting here and I ain't using a shim.

I hope not ... I have a brand new 30.9 Reverb sitting here and I ain't using a shim.

I hoped not too, but having checked in the USA, it does seem to be the case that they have come 31.6mm fitting.
Which I am obviously quite dissapointed about.

Ian. What spec is your Reverb? Perhaps we can arrange an exchange for one of these here - http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/SPRSREV/rockshox_reverb_adjustable_seatpost

Mine's the full retail pack with bleed kit. 2012 model - 30.9, 420 length, right hand lever, 100mm travel.

Arse! My new thomsons no good then

This thing looks God damn sexual...But seems to come with the issues associated with a hot blonde! 😀 In the process of building a Titus Rockstar right now and might very well be in the market for this too and try out the Ti HT too...hmmmmm. Fair do's though Brant, you are straight in there to try sorting the Reverb issue, hope that works out for Swayndo.

2 year warranty? Nice. I have an old Titus HCR with the full Titus lifetime warranty - and they were fantastic at repairing a hairline crack on a weld after 3 years of racing.

Whats the new seatpost clamp & front mech size now!

Boloxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

OD is the same. 34.9mm.

Brant - the geo chart on the On One site needs sorting... the reach and stack measurements don't match the key.

If my interuptation of them is correct this looks good, my concern is that some Ti frames can be a little... soft/noodly, I would want it to be direct with compliance when things really kick off.

Cheers

Will check reach and stack. Updated that last week. Did I get them in wrong order?
I might have been working off new diagram I did whic actually shows effective top tube dimension correctly.

will they be about before christmas brant?

Likewise Bigdugsbaws - mine is being delivered to my work, which is shut over Christmas. :-/

Frame are landing at our bonded warehouse today. Will be QC'd, checked in, processed and hopefully dispatched on Wednesday.

If my interuptation of them is correct this looks good, my concern is that some Ti frames can be a little... soft/noodly, I would want it to be direct with compliance when things really kick off.

*MBR BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, that gets my vote for post of the week. Sheer STW classic.

LOL

Cool. Thanks Brant.

Just wondering... besides a steeper HA and lower BB - running one with a 100mm fork wouldn't be too much of a disadvantage would it..?

Well, its arrived, BUT its raw / raw, as in no badge and no decals 🙁
Frame looks nice though.

as in no badge and no decals

and before the decals arrived from the USA.

I think decals are in tommorow, so we'll be playing catch up.

Sorry for that.

Mine is waiting for me when i get home in an hour, not excited at all 😉

They do look the business but having just built my Rockstar I'd definately get shot if one of those turned up too!

Errr the head tube seems to be a strange size, the CK tapered headset is right at the bottom but miles too small for the top - internal measure is 44, I am confused or thick.

Internal 44 at the top is correct sounds like yours is a 34 mm external top cup?

Yup I am thick.

The chainstays are too short! There is no room for a front mech between the tyre and the seat tube. It was sold as being triple chainset compatible. I'm using an XTR FD M970 mech and there is no way it can fit.

Not happy. I'll be on the blower to On One in the morning.

Current front mech is top swing. No way will it fit. Just tried an old bottom swing mech and that fits, but only by a baw-hair. Inner cable is only just not being fouled by the tyre tread, and it's a Racing Ralph, so not exactly a chunky tread. If I stick with it it's a new front mech then...

Pete, m786 should fit, it is really tight though.

Really nicely finished frame and the tyre clearance is monumental, nearly finished mine cant wait to ride at the weekend!!

Any chance of a pic? A front mech, what's that? 🙂

The chainstays are too short! There is no room for a front mech between the tyre and the seat tube. It was sold as being triple chainset compatible. I'm using an XTR FD M970 mech and there is no way it can fit.

Not happy. I'll be on the blower to On One in the morning.

Massive apologies for lack of guidance on front mechs. It is a short stay design and I should have been smart enough to clearly notify purchasers of what front mechs work (and which don't).

Front mech clearance is an issue on short chainstay bikes, but can massively be improved on many "dual pull" front mechs with a modification to the mech by removing unused hardware on the back of the mech that is only used to route the front mech cable if pulled from underneath.

If I stick with it it's a new front mech then...

sounds like a bit of a bodge job that Brant.......bit like them 29'' chumba's of old........ 😉

Absolutely, if you are unhappy, then it's your right to return the frame.

Pete, m786 should fit, it is really tight though.

Really nicely finished frame and the tyre clearance is monumental, nearly finished mine cant wait to ride at the weekend!!

Thanks for the words. If you can help us populate a list of "what works what doesn't" then that's great.

I'm trying to find a picture of my steel sample which had 3mm shorter chainstays than this Ti model, with a triple XT chainset and a front mech.

Not succeeding. Will check again.

sounds like a bit of a bodge job that Brant.......bit like them 29'' chumba's of old........

I can quite imagine that some people will be upset at trimming parts, even unused parts, off their front mechs.

I've calmed down now Brant :-/. This is my 3rd frame from you guys and I was just initially peeved. I'll just have to fork out in a new top swing mech. The wife won't be happy though.

The frame does look lovely. Really neat welds and lovely detail around the dropouts and brake mount.

Are you getting in any 120mm forks anytime soon?

I've calmed down now Brant :-/. This is my 3rd frame from you guys and I was just initially peeved. I'll just have to fork out in a new top swing mech. The wife won't be happy though.

To be honest, I'm not happy either, because of the way we're getting stuff in, and out, so fast, without us giving you guys the heads up on stuff. I'm going to try and put a stop to it and with new stuff like the El Guapo 29 I'll airfreight and do a proper check over sheet so that it's all clear.

These came in sea freight, I didn't see final production before you did!

And the decals were late.

I'm sorry about the front mech and if we can help with pricing, then I will do. I've got my bestest mountainbike mechanic on it tommorow, going through front mechs to check what's good. Giving advice.

So I'm sorry.

Though personally I'd 1x10 it 🙂

Are you getting in any 120mm forks anytime soon?

We will be offering complete builds - we're just putting a spec to order together - but due to the oddities of component supply it might well be full builds or nothing. We'll see.

Okaydokay. So decals will be available?

Decals are in now I think and I will make sure they go out to those that have bought.

I quite like mine in decal free form, it may stay that way. Which head badges are coming brant, I saw there were a choice of 2?

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That looks very, very nice bigdugs

What size frame is that bigdug?

Decal free for Ti is better, no need to spend a few hours stripping them off now. Result!

That looks SWEET. Yep no decals going on mine either. The metal head badge would be nice tho. Mine should come today.

I'm assuming the SLX/XT 3x9 from my Ragley won't work, which is a pain cos things are too steep around here for 1x9. Looking forward to clear guidance.

From what Brant said, it looks like we're the ones who will be giving guidance!

Agree, all you need on a Ti frame is the headtube badge.

I think the clearance issue is just about the front mech, so you should be good with 3x9, it just necessitates grinding off the extra hardware that's not required on a specific mech that fits.

Jon who's posted here, did it to his X9 front mech on his Yelli, to allow him to run 2.4's no problem, but agreed, grinding off parts, (if you have the specific mech that fits in the first place), is not ideal...

Our Neil should be in workshop in 5mins cracking on with this.
Sorry for hopelessness.

You have to fettle a front mech on the DW five spot. Hacksaw, file paint - Simples.

There might be a few teething problems Brant, but the speed of response is pretty impressive IMO - Hats off for customer service sir.

Not hopelessness, but good to have you (and Neil?) here to answer directly.

If it's not alright, it's not the end, 'cos we all know it'll be right in the end...

Jon who's posted here, did it to his X9 front mech on his Yelli, to allow him to run 2.4's no problem, but agreed, grinding off parts, (if you have the specific mech that fits in the first place), is not ideal...

Agreed but with lots of short chainstay 29ers coming out it would be good if SRAM, Shimano came up with some lower profile mechs??