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I've always had my suspicions about Ti:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cotic-Soda-Titanium-MTB-frame-size-Large-CRACKED-/251256669519?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3a8010854f#ht_463wt_956

A mates Litespeed road frame developed crack under the headtube, and since then there have been numerable reports of Ti frame failure.

Is plastic the way forward? Or should mtb's be made from steel?

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Posted : 09/04/2013 5:01 pm
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There arent any real mountain bikes made form Ti anyway are there? Only overpriced ornaments that rich bimblers ride.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:05 pm
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I'm surprised he didn't approach Cotic in the first instance, or maybe he did...


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:07 pm
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They all fail, more down to abuse, cack handed riders, guessed torque settings, pants set ups etc etc.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:08 pm
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Would you like a link to a cracked steel frame, to convince you that you must never buy steel?


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:13 pm
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They all fail, more down to abuse, cack handed riders, guessed torque settings, pants set ups etc etc.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense... but you missed out the bit about people riding them. Idiots 🙂


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:14 pm
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I didn't want to state the bleedin obvious 😉


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 5:26 pm
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Obviously this is a stupid thing to say but my 8 year old 6/4 road frame is still absolutely fine. It'll still be just fine riding the Gran Fondo Stelvio, Dragon Ride and Gran Fondo Prosecco later this year.
Admittedly I did ride my carbon cc bike at Roubaix on Saturday - mostly because it'll take 28mm tires.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 6:46 pm
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Well my Litespeed Lookout Mountain is starting its 10th year so cant be bad,mind i not a Lard-ass 😀


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 6:51 pm
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[i]Is plastic the way forward? Or should mtb's be made from steel?[/i]

Or something else...


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 6:51 pm
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according to the cotic site the frame has a lifetime warranty so why would you stick it on ebay? Unless he ignored the 100mm seat post bit.

(nice of cotic to leave up info about old frames for reference)

Or maybe they have replaced it with a lynksey one or a different cotic and told him to scrap the old one? hmm


 
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Pipedream Modro on its 8th year of riding up to 6 days a week. Hoping it will be for life too. I am not rich and it is not an ornament. Have plastic and alloy frames. Sold my Pipedream steel sirius to try something else. So tried the lot and the Ti has been here the longest so far.
Oh and cracked 4 off M4 Spesh frames and everything else has survived otherwise.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 6:55 pm
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The mechanical properties of Ti are very well understood. Who knows why these things crack? Without a proper engineering investigation we'll never know. If designed well they shouldn't just as a well designed Steel, AlAlloy or carbon frame shouldn't. Could be down to a weld issue, material quality issue, poor design or rider issue. There are plenty of threads on here on cracked carbon frames, AlAlloy and even Steel frames.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 6:59 pm
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I've got a 10 year old ti on-one CX frame still going strong.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 7:01 pm
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I've not broken a carbon frame. That might be because I've never owned one. The same cannot be said for steel, aluminium or titanium.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 7:03 pm
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I've still got my original Ti Inbred - getting on for 10 years old now and has done 1000's of miles.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 7:06 pm
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my 10+yr old Dekerf is doing just grand. I guess it's often down to workmanship rather than simply just material?


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 7:17 pm
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I've still got my original Ti Inbred - getting on for 10 years old now and has done 1000's of miles.

Yeah, me too.

guess it's often down to workmanship rather than simply just material?

You'll be saying that cheap Chinese carbon frames off eBay are just as good as high-end ones next 😉

It's possible to make good or bad frames out of any material.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 7:38 pm
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2 ti frames (MTB HT & a road-bike)

Both nearly 10 yrs old & lots of miles on them both.

No problems with either so far.

Frames fail regardless of the material.

Your point is what caller?


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 8:03 pm
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Your point is what caller?

Bike get ridden, frames break, ebay gets used.


 
Posted : 09/04/2013 8:17 pm
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We've sorted out everyone with a Soda warranty issue in some way shape or form so that will be a guy wanting rid of some scrap metal.


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 12:14 pm
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it was 18 years before my ti hardtail cracked, I still have a full sus ti thats now aged 13 😉


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 12:38 pm
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The crack in the seat stay is very unusual.


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 12:44 pm
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My Hummer frame is fine and I am a large cack handed lard ass, it even survived 10 days in Morzine and was the only hard tail I saw. Hasn't been used for a while but is being fettled for more use.


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 12:45 pm
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My 18 year old DBR Axis TT is ex an world cup race bike. Also raced at the 96 worlds in Cairns.
Still going strong.


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 1:16 pm
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We've sorted out everyone with a Soda warranty issue in some way shape or form so that will be a guy wanting rid of some scrap metal.

Funnily enough, the seller has a Cotic box handy....


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 1:20 pm
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see more broken frames on the net than you do Ti on the trails man 🙁


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 1:56 pm
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Im still riding and racing my 96 kona Hei Hei, not had any problems with that - Litespeeds were always known to have problems, I remember in 95/96 a couple of frames going back for warranty with cracked headstocks...


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 2:05 pm
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I have a 12 year old aluminium frame that has been used on and off-road. There aren't that many days in the week when it doesn't get dragged out for a ride.

Just for balance...


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 3:18 pm
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I've always had my suspicions about Ti:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cotic-Soda-Titanium-MTB-frame-size-Large-CRACKED-/251256669519?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item3a8010854f#ht_463wt_956

I'm surprise that isn't in in classifieds on here - at about 60% of the retail price
Maybe it's too clean


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 4:27 pm
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That is actually my frame in the ebay advert, Cy very kindly gave me a Soul as a replacement in autumn last year even though i was out of warranty (its not lifetime warranty its 4 years). I have just been able to afford to get it rebuilt with new parts as i had another Ti single speed project built last year which cost a fair bit. I put it on ebay as i dont wish to ride a repaired frame and im mostly riding my singlespeed now, and i didnt put it on here for sale as the forum rules suggest i must put a sale price, and what do i charge for a busted frame that may or may not be repairable?


 
Posted : 10/04/2013 4:40 pm

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