[Closed] Titanium Bikes...

The new Kinesis Maxlight Sync is

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I had a Merlin XLM Ti frame - its was OK & very light but the ride of my Pace RC104 steel frame is much more comfortable, but 2.5lb heavier.
I would consider high end steel before Ti although design probably has as such to do with it as material.

I think so if you let your heart rule your head to some degree - my Dekerf's many many years old and still rides fantastically so imo, giving great value for money. As always probably, good design/geometry and workmanship is more important than the material itself

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What about ti full suspension?

Why would you build a Ti full sus? The point of Ti is it gives a nice ride characteristic for the weight. That characteristic, of inherent damping is not needed on a full sus, so its a waste of the material. Indeed Ti's characteristic flex/give would be a hinderance to keeping the pivots of a full sus in line.

I was just wondering because i have seen a couple of ti full sus online i have no intention of having one

I was just wondering because i have seen a couple of ti full sus online i have no intention of having one

What about ti full suspension?

Can't see any point in it. Carbon / Alu are better suited to the application and (generally) cheaper.

I got a Ti hardtail as it was just a long time itch I had to scratch. It's a great ride (Ti456), light, compliant at the back but beefy in the front. Probably the best bike I've ridden, but it is also at least 70% down to the design/geometry.

I've never ridden high end steel (I guees Indy Fab, that sort of thing?) but I thought even that would give away a pound or two in weight from what I've seen of comparative weights in reviews. If it didn't it might well be of interest to me.

I've got 2, and love them

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Voodoo saved about 1kg on the steel frame it replaced, for a similar ride, which is noticeable when climbing. The On One was bought for its forks! But its way, way more comfortable than the ally Ribble it replaced. Handy when ridden in this mode:

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My titanium full sus:

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Why? Um. Well it's beautifully made, it was a frame that I saw at a trade show and fell in love with, but there was no way I could afford or justify it. Then one came up on CRC at less than half price (RRP for the frame alone was £2600!) and I persuaded myself that I really needed a demo Rohloff bike for the shop, so I bought it.

This is why I don't make much money at running a bike shop 😉

You need a belt-drive on that bike Ben for more niche points.... 🙂

(I know, can't get a tensioner etc...)

I was just wondering because i have seen a couple of ti full sus online i have no intention of having one

For the fool who must have everything, absolutely [i]everything![/i] in one bike.

Edit: just seen BenCooper's. No offence Ben. 😉

For the fool who must have everything, absolutely everything!

Hey! 😉

I'm not yet convinced enough about belt drives to have one on my own bike...

Here's my Holeshot. Not especially light, but it rides light and while I'm not very good on detecting frame subtleties it is certainly not as harsh as my alu' Stiffee. I see no reason for me to ever want another hardtail.

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Holeshot owner here too.

Insanely fun bike, but quite harsh for a ti frame. Very much a short-blat bike over an all-dayer.

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Another Holeshot owner here 😀

The frame brought S/H from the classifieds, replaced a Mk1 Bluepig

I love it, and it has made a huge difference to my riding and the enjoyment of riding.

Although I could never have justified the new price, as an upgrade frame and moving on the pig it was do-able......

As one of my riding mates said "If I had known that frame could have made such a difference to your riding, I`d have brought it for you myself" 😳

Still getting used to a light bike and I go OTB more often as the back end is silly light now, but I still love it

Have a Ti full sus and hardtail, am not close to having everything yet but one day there will be a Ti road bike of some discription. Then my life may be complete. No forgot a Ti CX bike, a Ti shopping bike, a Ti Moulton.

I have one, 'titanium bike for life' i thought, with the comfort & durability the at an £1800 frame should offer (this was back in 1998). But then fork lengths changed & hardtail geomentry changed. So now it's pretty much redundant & worth about £100.
I won't buy another. For the same reason i chose a Lurcher over a carbon highball, when it goes i'll lose less money.

Go on then.
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It's old enough to drink now.

Mine bought from the classifieds too (from Si/Progressive Bikes) 😀

Pimpmaster Jazz - Member

I was just wondering because i have seen a couple of ti full sus online i have no intention of having one

For the fool who must have everything, absolutely everything! in one bike.

But then fork lengths changed & hardtail geomentry changed. So now it's pretty much redundant & worth about £100.

You see this I don't get. My Tomac is pretty elderly by MTB standards, but still as much fun to ride as it was when I first built it up. The value may have depreciated, the fun factor hasn't.

For me it's worth it- I loved some things about my old Mmmbop but the stiffness just ruined it, the Ti version doesn't have any of the failings of the alu one, which makes it pretty damn brilliant.

But it's a case-to-case thing, there are brilliant steel, alu, carbon and ti frames, and bad ones of each too. I don't like it because it's titanium, I like it because of how it works.

camwba96
Is having a ti bike really worth it?

PS. Loving my recently built up Kili Flyer Ti 😀

I have a Van Nic Tuareg and love it.

But then I have a Yeti ASR which I love and a Genesis IO ID SS which I ride the most at the moment.

They are all different but I ride the Ti Tuareg when I want to be a maniac and ride fast.
If I could only have one bike it would probably be the one I'd choose.

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ir-b, is that a Jannd bag on your on-1? Nice set up. Congrats on your L-E-L ride too!

Here's my Saracen Kili Flyer Ti having just completed Bontrager 24 hr solo a couple of weeks back:
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I'm going to trail bike it after the race season - bigger tyres and wheels, shorter stem.

Another from earlier in the event:
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To answer the original question, yeah I think it's worth it. Mainly because I've always wanted one!

The Kili Flyer does give a nice mix of lightweight, fun geometry and that special Ti sparkle!

@daverambo - that detailing is beautiful, just had a look at the price 😯 £1700 !! how did you get that past the wife? (if you have one, if you haven't then perhaps that's why! lol)

ir_bandito, was it you that had an e-stay belt drive frame made in Ti? I still have your 853 inbred going well as a SS BTW.

Here's my Burls road bike

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It's been great apart from me wrecking the non-replaceable mechs hanger on it...It replaced a Ribble Gran Fondo and rides a lot nicer.

I've thought about a Ti SS frame but it's been no more than thoughts.

Northwind

For me it's worth it- I loved some things about my old Mmmbop but the stiffness just ruined it, the Ti version doesn't have any of the failings of the alu one, which makes it pretty damn brilliant.

But it's a case-to-case thing, there are brilliant steel, alu, carbon and ti frames, and bad ones of each too. I don't like it because it's titanium, I like it because of how it works.

This^

I wanted a Ragley Ti as I liked the geometry of the Bluepig but wanted something that weighed less and was a little more forgiving in ride terms.
I couldn't find one in 16", (Should have brought Geetee's when it was up for sale) but the Brodie came up and was very similar geometry and came highly recommended.

@jekkyl

Mine is a 2010 frame that I bought when they were selling them off before the 2011 frame changes. 2010 has a straight down tubes where 2011 onwards have the down tube curved plus other tweaks. Personally I prefer it. Because it was cheap (relative term) I got the Ti seatpost and collar as well.

I think the frame was 43% off or something like that. I then built it up with an XT groupset to save a bit but went KCNC for cockpit and Hope brakes and wheels.

As for getting it past the wife I didn't 🙂 I decided forgiveness was better than permission and I figured she wouldn't know it was Ti and hence work out how much I'd spent.
I was only partly right.
It took her 8 months to notice it and even then had a rough idea how much I would have spent on a new bike anyway.

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The big advantage of Titanium over the other materials is it's strength, weight and durability. It's an almost ideal compromise. The downside is that it isn't as indestructible as you might have been led to believe, and it tends not to be overtly characterful. A high-end steel frame for example will have a very noticeable (and charming), liveliness to the ride, while a good carbon frame will give a bizarrely smooth and comfortable experience, yet still provide great agility and control. Titanium blends these in a noticeable but not overt fashion. In a sense it's a neutral material.

That makes it sound bland and dull, but in fact it can generate a tremendous amount of confidence on the bike. It seems to remain composed and exibit a degree of stability in extreme conditions that's hard to define exactly. It's extremely springy, but in a contained manner and that allows for a surprising amount of technical control. If it has a unique ride quality, then it's a certain supple 'meatiness' that isn't quite there in steel and carbon.

So it's better than steel in that its lighter and won't rust, and it's better than carbon in that it won't damage quite as easily (chainsuck for example), and it blends the best ride characteristics of both. Other than that, good steel and good carbon are as good as good titanium.

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My Enigma here, I think mangatank's desription here is spot of for me too;

...but in fact it can generate a tremendous amount of confidence on the bike. It seems to remain composed and exibit a degree of stability in extreme conditions that's hard to define exactly. It's extremely springy, but in a contained manner and that allows for a surprising amount of technical control. If is has a unique ride quality, then it's a certain supple 'meatiness' that isn't quite there in steel and carbon.

I love my Ragley Ti. Yes it was [i]alot[/i] of money but in smiles per mile its been worth every single hard earned penny IMO. 😀
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Is having a ti bike really worth it?

From a lay persons/non cyclists perspective i doubt it can be justified as being [i] worth it?[/i] but from my cycling perspective [i]and[/i] having been riding mtb's since my muddy fox days during the school summer holidays of 86 (a good year) i can entirely and very easily throw a few months wages at any bike without a second thought, i realise that for the years of enjoyment i will get out of riding the initial expense is insignificant and as i don't own a house/mortgage, or have a GF to worry about then what i earn i spend on what i want.

My two TI bikes below, Cove Hummer (now with KS Lev dropper post) and my New Kinesis Tripster ATR, the Hummer hasn't been riden since i built up the Tripster last month - Both fantastic bikes but at this precise moment in time the Tripster ticks all the boxes.

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Back in the early 90's my mate ran a cycling B&B and ran guided tours of the trails and hills of Galloway, i used to do a fair bit of work for him taking folk out into the hills and showing them around and i remember the first time i saw a TI bike, two in fact!. They were both custom Merlins and belonged to a very nice couple from California who were over to explore Scotland and we spent a few days riding together as i showed them round and i got to ride his Merlin, compared to the Marin Indian Fire Trail i was riding at the time the Merlin was so smooth to ride and floated over everything or at least seemed to. Ever since then i've wanted a TI framed bike, i'd love a full custom Kent Eriksen or an Engin but at the moment i'm quite happy with what i've got.

EDIT : FWIW : I've owned a high end custom steel frame (soulcraft) and that [b]was[/b] the best bike i've ever rode or owned, it fitted me perfectly and i'd still be riding it if i didn't rip the front end off it (entirely my fault).

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EDIT : FWIW : I've owned a high end custom steel frame (soulcraft) and that was the best bike i've ever rode or owned, it fitted me perfectly and i'd still be riding it if i didn't rip the front end off it (entirely my fault).

Weren't you going to send that up here so I could wave my torch at it?

I've never owned a titanium bike but have always quite liked the idea of one as a bike for long-time ownership.
Once the new Singular Pegasus is released, I think I'll be splashing out on one 😀

I'm not yet convinced enough about belt drives to have one on my own bike...

Oh, you want a pic of my OTHER bike then?

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🙂

ir-b, is that a Jannd bag on your on-1

ir_bandito, was it you that had an e-stay belt drive frame made in Ti?

I will/am/is at some point Ben, i was up in Glasgow last month at Oran Mor for Graeme Obree's 20th anniversay of his hr record talk thing (which was very good) and i thought i left Kirkcudbright in plenty of time to get up to your shop and drop the frame off then head along to Oran Mor but i didn't plan on being stuck in traffic at the Ayr roundabouts for over an hr which by the time i reached your shop it was shut, i didn't fancy leaving the frame outside so next time i have an excuse to head up to the big city i'll drop it in.

I'm sure Uri Geller could pass his hand over it and straighten it out 😀

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The top tube may be reusable? - i dunno?.

Top Tube : True Temper OX Platinum 07
Down Tube : True Temper OX Platinum 10
Seat Tube : Columbus Life (i think?)

Is having a ti bike really worth it?

Nah, probably not, but then it's not a pure practicality VFM based buying decission is it?

I don't really want one personally, I find steel frames can be quite nice, and if I want a light bike I'd look at Aluminium or Carbon, but that's just be being boring and practical...

I can at least see the appeal of Ti...

CheesyBeanz - that is quite stunning.

An other thing with a Ti frame you get to meet really nice people like Mark at Enigma 😳

Somafunk, how on earth did you do that, and is that blood?

Somafunk, how on earth did you do that, and is that blood?

I reckon he hit Jens Voigt 🙂

Is the ride of the ti Cotic Soda that much different to the Steel Soul?
I picked up a secondhand Soda mk2 and wondered if it was worth doin a frame swap.

Finished my Van Nicholas Redwood a few days ago 🙂 took a while as only bought parts when i saw them cheap 🙂 not really sure what it is, but its fun to ride haha! Let me know what you think 🙂 cost £1606 in total! [img][url= http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7422/9507434819_6526800c23.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7422/9507434819_6526800c23.jp g"/> [/img][/url] [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/57243582@N04/9507434819/ ]Finished bike with costs[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/57243582@N04/ ]lewismorgan10[/url], on Flickr[/img]

worth it? are you really using the word justify?
shame on you.
this is a mountain bike forum, not penny pinchers annonymous.

ti full sus - yes, the ibis bowTi probably couldnt have been built out of much else, five inches of travel in the frame, no pivots. Aside from this i cant think the application of ti on a sus frame works econmically. but it could still be, and has been, done - - see above.

EDIT: owner of 3 ti bikes

Let me know what you think

honestly?

Fugly. You'd have got better bargains going second-hand...

ir_bandito - Member
Let me know what you think
honestly?

You built it purely by the sense of touch - right?

bit harsh? Didn't think it was that bad...

bit harsh? Didn't think it was that bad...

wheelie - Member
"Is the ride of the ti Cotic Soda that much different to the Steel Soul?
I picked up a secondhand Soda mk2 and wondered if it was worth doin a frame swap. "

Yes but it depends on which Soul frame. 27.2 seat pin soul (mk 2?) way better than new soul due to bigger seat pin, it seems to have lost it's essential soulness. Soda does not have the steel spring feel but it does give a great ride and is lighter and wants to be ridden faster. I ride both and love them but love the Soda tinsey bit more.

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Ridgeback FlightTi with Drops, commute every day, sportives, Snow, Club runs. What more could I want, apart from carbon....

I've never once regretted spending far more than I coud afford at the time on a custom Ti frame from Dean. It may be 7 years old now but at the 24-12 it still made perfect sense.

Let me know what you think

I think you could buy a decent second-hand runaround for £1606.

Not sure about full-sus, but titanium is perfect for softails. No pivots, and a simple air shock, gives 35mm of travel - enough to iron out little bumps, and make it comfy all day long.

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Let me know what you think

I think you should ignore 'em lewismorgan. Go and ride your bike, if you come home smiling, which I'm sure you will, then you are the winner 🙂

(I like the brown saddle too BTW) 😉

I had a Ti frame because I'd always wanted one.
Unfortunately it broke, I now have a steel frame and actually prefer the ride, both have very similar geometry.
I wouldn't buy another Ti mtb frame, but I'd quite like a disc tourer...

I did love the look of the Ti frame, always cleaned up nice and no paint to scratch!

New generation Ti, tapered head tube, chunky brake mounts, bolt thru axle and direct mount rear mech.

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Somafunk, how on earth did you do that, and is that blood?

Short answer?...SingleSpeed World Champs @ Aviemore 2007, whisky may have had a small part to play, unmarked road/streetworks in Aviemore, out on late night bike run wi others, hit unfinished bench at speed, snapped frame, broke face/nose,broke 2 teeth,night in raigmore hospital, out next morning and borrowed a very rigid pace RC200 bike from martinxyz (of fat tread bikes at the time) that prob did me more damage to ride that morning than the actual crash did.

Yeah, it was my blood....

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I hit these bars at speed and landed on my face, it was not cordoned off or any warning tape but when i went along the next day it had been taped off and the generator placed on top to stop folk walking into it.

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All sorted now though wi 3 new implanted teeth at the front and two nose jobs to reconstruct my nasal passages 😀 , I asked the surgeon for a brad pitt facial makeover at the time but they refused.

Right...time for a bike run (with teeth and nose intact)

wow and you rode a an RC200 the next day. Tough guy.

I like Ti.

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Let me know what you think

Woah! My eyes!

Strip out the colour: Get silver Hope spacers and a silver seatpost and clamp (alloy goes really well with ti). Get silver bars if you can (Ritchey Classics are cheap at wiggle right now), and replace the grips with standard black ones or road bike bar tape to match the saddle colour. Ideally replace the (admittedly nice) saddle with a black one and run black grips.

Pedals...Hessian sack. Bricks. Canal.

Doing all that will make those nice forks [i]really[/i] pop. It'll look great!

Yeah, it was my blood....

Not sure I need to see such a graphic image frankly 😐

I'm selling my beloved Merlin Works 4.0, just in case anyone reading this is interested - and yes, it's a ti full suspension frame...!

18.75", 100mm travel. £950 for the frame including Fox shock, seat clamp and Thomson Masterpiece seatpost. Email in profile.

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Strip out the colour:

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Anyone got a more normal looking van nicholas redwood 29er?

I'm surprised there's not been a Jones posted up on this thread yet?, You don't see them for ages and then three turn up all at once, with a sulking soulcraft (intact) pinned behind them.

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If you get the chance to inspect a genuine "Jones" (built by jeff) then have a good look at the welding and run your fingernail over it - amazing things of beauty despite what some folk may say but like some forms of art not everyone "gets it" first time.

If i could afford one, i'd have one, but i can't, so i shan't.

They really are lovely!

I love mine and I don't feel the need to justify it.
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Sorry can't get the link to work 😳

Oh - alright then 😉

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Bizarre. How does it...work?

And the bars look very narrow near the controls. How do you find them?

Love.That.Jones

If i could afford one, i'd have one, but i can't, so i shan't.

Me too

I've had a few titanium bikes over the years and I wouldn't say they rode any better than the steel, carbon and aluminium bikes I've owned.

My Dekerf and Jones are both steel and amazing; each with their own individual character.

I do love the look and finish on a titanium frame though and go proper gooey over a nice weld 😀

I'm just getting this built up at the mo.....

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I'm beyond blown away by new Kinesis Tripster ATR. Having had an alloy one for a few years and thought a lot of it (and done lots of miles on it too) I was keen to get a Ti one and it's far better than I'd expected.

Much faster, more comfortable, more sprightly, holds it speed better, quiet, beautifully built. Other than that, it's not that special 8)

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My mountain bike (that I'm embarrassed to say, hasn't been out of the garage since I got the Tripster) is a Mk1 Lynskey Ti456. It's not snapped, it gets me out of all sorts of bother, is kind of comfy, light, responsive, solid and agile all at the same time. Even though it's a five year old frame, it's built with 'current' kit - new 150mm Sektors, XT/XTR 10spd double, Arch EX/EvoII tubeless. Probably not a bike for life, but it more than holds its own and bears testimony to a very good design.

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I've had / got carbon, steel, alloy bikes and they've all got their advantages, but at the moment, I'm quite enjoying matching the bolts in my head with my bike frames... 😉

I'd [i]probably[/i] sell my soul for a Bontrager Ti, not sure.