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Have a pair of Galibier Barrier Deep Winter Gloves from 2018 but they're not warm enough at 3C for me - might be showing their age, could be from the higher speeds on the road bike and admittedly I have pretty poor circulation (long body + thin fingers :s).
They're also a bit bulkier than I'd like - not offering great dexterity for sprint workouts sapping some of the fun away. Not that they're bad, they're definitely great value, plus their customer service is legendary.
Are there any thinner combos of gloves and perhaps silk liners that could work better? Something like the Castelli Perfetto ROS + liners?
There's also the Castelli Estremo, but they seems on par with the Galibiers for bulk.
For an upgraded inner glove pick there are polypropylene inners, but might be a bit bulky again: https://www.roostersailing.com/pd/PolyPro-Glove-Liner_105313.htm
Or a 2-3 mm neoprene gloves with silk liners such as the veloteze ones, wonder how the barfeel is.
https://road.cc/content/review/velotoze-waterproof-gloves-274001
I had my Castelli Perfetto ROS gloves on yesterday on a combined road and gravel ride from home. It was foggy, and about 4 degrees. My hands were only just warm enough, I reckon at zero or just above they'd have been frozen cold. I was keen to see how low I could go with them, so for me, it's 4 degrees. I have some toasty Endura ones for colder days, but more bulky by far.
How well do your current gloves fit? At that kind of temperature cold hands ought to be either not enough core warmth, windchill, poor circulation or they're saturated with moisture (leading to windchill). Assuming you're dressed well enough and the galibier gloves don't have gaping holes in them, could it be that they're a bit too trim?
At that cold 'puffer a few years back I wore Briskers comfortably all night, -10c I think, but it was very dry, still and I wasn't going quick!
I had my Castelli Perfetto ROS gloves on yesterday on a combined road and gravel ride from home. It was foggy, and about 4 degrees. My hands were only just warm enough, I reckon at zero or just above they’d have been frozen cold. I was keen to see how low I could go with them, so for me, it’s 4 degrees. I have some toasty Endura ones for colder days, but more bulky by far.
Maybe they could get down to 0 if you wore silk liners?
How well do your current gloves fit? At that kind of temperature cold hands ought to be either not enough core warmth, windchill, poor circulation or they’re saturated with moisture (leading to windchill). Assuming you’re dressed well enough and the galibier gloves don’t have gaping holes in them, could it be that they’re a bit too trim?
The Galibiers fit well, have a size medium 20.5 cm hand and sized up to a large as they run a bit snug. Think my core is ok, but the combo 1.94 cm tall, thin long fingers, riding a lot at > 35 km/h at 4C with often high air humidity offers a challenge.
Ordered a pair of O'neill FLX 2 mm glued & blindstitched neoprene gloves from Amazon in large just to test (friendly return policy), presumably they'll perform similarly to a pair of Perfettos which are also neoprene?. They also carry a higher end welded seam glove in 1.5 and 3 mm called Psycho Techs.
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Silk liners are one the way.
Are you losing heat from your core/arms before it reaches your hands?
I'm adopting the "eating more cake" approach to core insulation.
If I'm moving, my Aldi specials are fine down to freezing, size up for liners underneath. I've commuted 50 minutes at -8° in the past with glove liners and cheap Planet X lobster gloves, though dexterity is lost.
Something like North Face etip Pamir Windstoppe Gloves?
Work when wet too , are breathable and cut wind dead.
North face looks nice if a bit bulky, not avail anywhere it seems.
Shimano's S-phyre winter gloves seem to be what I want for a price, tested at 2C and getting 9/10, comes with a liner:
https://road.cc/content/review/235138-shimano-s-phyre-winter-gloves
They have a cheaper option called windbreak thermal at £30, but can't find any reviews.
I have poor circulation and have to wear gloves even at 10 degrees to stop cold hands. When it is getting towards zero I am using ski gloves but then I don't require "great dexterity for sprint workouts"
I've got some Aksium gloves, go down to 4-5deg and if money was no object would definitely look at the Cosmics. More than I'm prepared to pay for gloves at £55, but they look superb -
https://shop.mavic.com/en-gb/cosmic-pro-wind-glove-c4132.html#1028=3283
Anyone used these from Stolen Goat?
I've got the Galibier gloves and have used them for commutes down to zero ish, the only grumble I have is that the tip of my thumb gets cold - not sure if that's the gloves or my thumbs though as it's been the achilles heel (thumb) of everything I've tried so far.
Thin gloves means little insulation.
The only thin(ish) gloves I've had that worked in freezing temperatures are Glacier gloves perfect curves. Smell like **** after a few rides though, but a price worth paying.
I have the Mavic Aksiums, nice when it's over 10C and they have held up well.
surely its completely subjective?
I don't really get cold hands, i surf all winter without gloves and only wear windstopper types gloves all winter, but i do get a cold right foot, the left one is generally fine...
surely its completely subjective?
Yep, extremely. I am sat here in a 22 degree house and my hands are still very cold.
surely its completely subjective?
It's highly individual (don't think the difference in how we subjectively feel cold varies that much): if you're short and have fat fingers chances are you will do well.
I wear fingerless gloves inside sometimes..
These Tempest Protect gloves from Bioracer work well for me, with the caveat that I’m a warm person.
https://shop-bioracer.co.uk/product/bioracer-one-tempest-pixel-protect-gloves/
Shimano's new Windbreak thermal glove also seems interesting, 106g so not too bulky and only £30 if you can find it.
Shimano's Windbreak Thermal Reflective gloves were designed for maximum handlebar control in the cold months and feature a 3-ply chloroprene rubber compound for heat retention and high mobility.
Reflective
Touch screen compatible
Chloroprene rubber: heat retention and freedom of movement
Metallic Thermal Tech
PORON® XRD™ padding
Metallic Thermal Tech
The skin-contacting surface of this fabric is imprinted with a metallic pattern that works to reflect infrared radiation released by the body. That radiation in turn warms up the layer of air between the fabric and the skin, thereby helping to keep the temperature inside clothing warm and comfortable.
Tested the O'neill 2mm neoprene gloves + silk liners one one and and gailbiers on the other, O'neills significantly colder. Think for neoprene to be better you need at least 3 mm + fleece lining but at that point it's not more dextrous.
Might just stick with the Galibiers + silk liners. No cake for me.
I have these: https://road.cc/content/review/254593-endura-pro-sl-primaloft-waterproof-glove
A good balance of warmth vs bulk, I find them great with low single digit temps, probably best with a thin liner below that.
I guess the tricky thing with insulation vs. dexterity is that you need a stiff material to hold the insulation open as much as possible where your hand meets the bar.
My partner has pretty bad raynaud's, I made her some of these with some powerstretch fleece:
https://www.terra-nova.co.uk/gloves-mitts/thermal-gloves-and-mitts/power-liner-wrist-gaiter/
She wears them for winter mountaineering and they keep her from losing feeling without adding any bulk. Probably worth a shot for under £20.
I have these: https://road.cc/content/review/254593-endura-pro-sl-primaloft-waterproof-glove
Looks like they could match the Galibiers in performance and be a bit sleeker, giving them a try - plus I use Endura Pro SL bibs which I'm quite happy with.
My partner has pretty bad raynaud’s, I made her some of these with some powerstretch fleece:
Already use thin wrist warmers / gaiters from my baselayer 🙂
I have the Galibier Barrier gloves and I get cold hands occasionally when my hands have been too hot in them and I sweat. 20mins later the moisture cools my hands and I get cold fingertips.
Do you think that you have the same issue or are your hands just cold all the time whilst riding?
Have you looked at the dissent modular gloves?
https://www.dissent133.com/
Do you think that you have the same issue or are your hands just cold all the time whilst riding?
Hands are just cold all the time, I think for longer rides I'd faire better, but I do a lot of interval cycling. I'd be ok with the galibiers plus liners, just seeing if there are any better options.
Looked at the dissent system, see how the Endura's do first - they should be fine with the silk liners (so similar same concept and I have summer gloves that work well).
"Already use thin wrist warmers / gaiters from my baselayer 🙂"
Fair enough, I do think the dedicated units provide more warmth on a account of being properly form fitting tho.
I suffer from cold hands and tried all sorts of glove combinations when I used to go winter climbing but usually had to resort to liner gloves, mitts and over mitts.
The main things that I found helped were synthetic liners gloves, silk are less good if damp and sweaty, wrist warmers/gaiters help and gloves need to be a size up to fit liners otherwise like adding a pair of socks in close fitting boots can result in colder feet. Tighter fitting gloves give colder fingers.
Marmot liner gloves were my favorite but I'm not sure whether anywhere still sells them.
For cycling at zero celsius I find Aldi thick winter cycling glove (about the same thickness as ski gloves) Ok without liners and Ok but far from lace tying type dexterity.
N.B. I normally wear mittens skiing as gloves are rarely warm enough.
I wear my grandad old sheepskin gloves I inherited 20 years ago.
Great in sub zero dry conditions. Fine for long road rides.
Not particularly thin.
Has anyone tried the DHB aeron alpha gloves? They look interesting.
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-aeron-lab-all-winter-polartec-glove?sku=100612566
What about the Sealskinz heated gloves?
Ordered the Shimano Winddbreaker thermals at 106g, just to test them vs the galibiers and enduras - see if their metal foil tech is any good.
DHB aeron not so great? https://road.cc/content/review/257596-dhb-aeron-lab-all-winter-polartec-glove
Where did you order the Shimano windbreakers from?
Those DHBs with polartec alpha seem a good idea but the review thinks otherwise.
Where did you order the Shimano windbreakers from?
Got mine from Chainreaction uk, the black ones seems to be sold out a lot of places.
Can't see any Shimano gloves on CRC... Got a link?
I am at the limit of my thinner gloves and tempted to try these https://lecol.cc/collections/mens-cycling-mitts-gloves/products/hors-categorie-deep-winter-gloves?variant=30698352443455
Ah sorry, I got the enduras at CRC.. https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/shimano-windbreak/137254509/p
As mentioned ^ the Dissent 133 get good reviews. but £95 for the Ultimate collection is a lot of cash but I like the idea of adjusting layers on the go. FWIW I use Aldi winter gloves with a liner and Galibier ones which are warmer. If its baltic i'll put a hot hands foot warmer between liner and glove but only when i start to struggle as I overheat then!!
If you want dexterous and thin, then a simple set of pogies on your handlebars means you don't need to spend a fortune on inadequate over-priced gloves. You can use anything reasonable. I use £5 woolly gloves from Tesco in the 24 hours of the 'Puffer because they're more breathable than anything else.
If a fashionable appearing bike is more important, crack on. 🙂
If you want dexterous and thin, then a simple set of pogies on your handlebars means you don’t need to spend a fortune on inadequate over-priced gloves. You can use anything reasonable. I use £5 woolly gloves from Tesco in the 24 hours of the ‘Puffer because they’re more breathable than anything else.
You forgot aero 😉 And the faff getting them on and off. I'm not sure how dexterous it is to have your arms stuffed into them either even if you can wear thinner gloves.
I would however get a pair if I was crossing Antarctica on a fatbike.
@yohandsome Blimey that's a crap design. Should be easy to use - those look a faff - as you said.
How do you get on the drops with those?
Re Dissent 133. I recently got the full set. It's not been proper cold and wet yet but so far using different combinations I've been impressed. Seem very well made and are comfy. The silk inners are thicker than the ones I used to buy for skiing. I wouldn't say they fall into the thin/dextrous, especially when you combine 3 layers but I find them OK. I'll report back on the cold/wet performance after I've been out in the cold/wet!
Has anyone got a recommendation (preferably with a link) for the better/best silk liner gloves to go for?
Are the bog standard Ebay/Amazon ones OK or are some better than others?
Shimano windbreakers gloves are much colder than Galibier barriers, so they're going back - no magic from their "metallic" layer tech..
"There's no replacement for displ..insulation"
I have these: https://road.cc/content/review/254593-endura-pro-sl-primaloft-waterproof-glove
A good balance of warmth vs bulk, I find them great with low single digit temps, probably best with a thin liner below that.
Update: I did about 100km last Sunday, it was cold (frosty) and wet. My hands were cool but not uncomfortably cold, which I think is a good result for relatively thin gloves in those conditions.
I ordered a pair of those Shimano Windbreak Thermal gloves -tried them out this am - probably 4deg and dry - very disappointed - very little improvement in terms of warmth over the old pair of Endura Singletrack gloves (not exactly what you'd call a winter glove!) I've been using to date. Seems that once they get wet with a bit of sweat the Thermal Metallic jiggerypokkery gives up the ghost and hands just feel freezing. Waste of money in my opinion.
I've used Fox ranger waterproof gloves for around 3 months last winter and since mid Nov this year, initially I was more than impressed as they feel very much like a normal summer glove. They also did an insulated waterproof version(think it's the fire defend glove but not sure) but the rangers were warm enough. Noticed last weekend that the stitching is coming away around the wrist on both gloves, probably due to them not having a velcro fastening, being a tight fit and therefore needing to be pulled by the cuff to get your hand in. A few weeks ago I would've recommended them without a doubt but very much doubt I'd buy again, £35 and only lasted around 4 months so unless they're a fair bit cheaper I'd avoid. Wish I'd kept the receipt now
I bought dissents literally as the weather turned in the spring so haven’t used the outers yet.
The thin liners go really well with a pair of Macwet gloves and I would heartily recommend them as the next step down from the dissent outers.
Update: I did about 100km last Sunday, it was cold (frosty) and wet. My hands were cool but not uncomfortably cold, which I think is a good result for relatively thin gloves in those conditions.
Have the Endura Pro SLs arriving tomorrow, will test against Galibier Barriers with silk liners in both (one one each hand :p), hopefully they're a tad better, but realistically I doubt they're warmer only a bit sleeker.
I used the Rooster Hot Hands as liners under my 100% Briskers which is enough for me on any wet rides approaching 0.
Imagine them under a more substantial glove would be good for pretty cold temps.
How does rooster hot hands compare to silk liners? Bulkier but also hotter?
Asked rooster if they'd rec hot hands (neoprene) or polypro (fleece) inners for cycling:
"For cycling, I would go for the PolyPro glove liner. The inner is brushed and feels soft on the hand, the material is also moisture wicking and would be more comfortable on handlebars for any length of time."
I've not tried silk liners before but I can see why you'd prefer a brushed lining if they provide the same warmth.
I got the hot hands based on recommendations and they've always kept me warm enough on wet, cold rides to the extent where hands have come out a bit clammy (which is where a brushed lining would help) which is massively better than freezing!
I'll have to try the PolyPro in a few years when these are worn out.
Probably worth clarifying that a below 0 ride is pretty unusual in South Wales so if it's properly cold, my combo may not be enough.
First test of the Endura Pro SL vs Galibier Barrier both with silk liners at 5C, both warm enough, Endura might be a tiny bit colder but otherwise prefer it - sleek! Next will do a linerless test at 0C :>
Endura's are going back, they look great but are inferior to Galibiers Barrier gloves in 3 important ways:
1. They're colder, too cold at 7C without liners for me.
2. They don't offer more dexterity, maybe less - feels like their liner slips around making the grip feel less solid than in the 50g pr glove heavier Barriers, also the fingers are a bit too long and cut square.
3. They're more than twice the price.
those bar mitts in the image on page 1 are the answer. Fugly as hell and, no, you can't use the drops (well, you can but can't access the levers in a meaningful way)
You get to wear much thinner gloves, though
Galibiers plus silk liners are good enough for 0C sub 1 hour rides (all I do) so I'm happy, don't want to faff around with bar mitts and do want to use the drops.
Perhaps fleece or merino liners would be even warmer.
Summary: You can't have your cake and eat it too.