[Closed] These so called trail dogs

I'd hate to be picky but your dog doesn't have rights.

You certainly don't have the right to allow it infringe on other people's enjoyment / safety in public spaces.

Perhaps if the likes of you were more aware of your responsibilities as a dog owner, and less dismissive of other people this thread wouldn't exist.

The same can however be said for a lot of mountain bikers...but that's a thread of another day.

You certainly don’t have the right to allow it infringe on other people’s enjoyment / safety in public spaces.

Not a dog owner but I love seeing dogs out in the woods when I'm out on a ride.

Always stop and give them a quick stroke/ play with them for a short while.

Met some really nice people/ dogs doing this. It also helps to bridge the gap between some of the more grumpy bikers/dog walkers.

Again the arrogance and selfishness of some biker/dog owners fails to surprise me.

Get up earlier walk your dog first then go riding, then you won't p1ss anyone off with your out of control status symbol.

mark snook

The endless piles of poop on my street, local park, graveyard, school sports pitch (yes really), the fact the last three folk I called out on thier dog poop being left didn't have bags on them, the fact that one of the top three barriers I face weekly in getting kids outdoors is the amount of dog poop in urban areas begs to differ.

When I say majority, that's still only 51%.... But I do think it's over half now.

 

 they have no intent above primeval instincts.

Which is why its your job to keep the dog under control.

I let them run as I KNOW they are obedient and non aggressive

If you check the law it doesnt matter what you KNOW. It matters what the person who your dog approaches thinks.

It really shouldnt be a difficult idea. If your dog is unpredictable keep it under control.

If a dog is on a trail and moving in a consistent manner I will go round it. If it suddenly does a suicide dash under the wheels from behind a tree then that isnt random and unfortunate thats a badly trained dog.

Dog shit is probably less of a problem now than it used to be (at least round here).

I think it's become socially acceptable to be seen out and about with a bag of poo in your hand, but also socially unacceptable to not clean up after your dog.

I'm sure there are people who do leave shit lying around and there is no excuse for that at all. I always pick it up and take it. Sometimes I even pick up other edit owners shit too. It illegal to not carry poo bags I Think?

I get all your arguments but ride your bike earlier before other people are in the woods? I don't think it's dog owners being self important. I think everyone in this thread is guilty of that.

'I’d hate to be picky but your dog doesn’t have rights.

You certainly don’t have the right to allow it infringe on other people’s enjoyment / safety in public spaces.

Perhaps if the likes of you were more aware of your responsibilities as a dog owner, and less dismissive of other people this thread wouldn’t exist'

How about you riding your bike in a public space is infringing on my enjoyment of walking my dog and putting myself and my dog in danger.

If you would take your bike, yourself and your self righteous ego off to a trail centre then we would all be happier 🙂

Taking responsibility for ones actions is tough I know. They have however invented something to assist you to keep your dog under the necessary level of control it's called...

A lead.

Happy to help

Also I'd like to point out that self righteous ego is actually not being an ignorant moronic ****.

Some trail dogs are great. Some are just chaos on legs. It's not their fault, it's their damn fool owners for taking them out into an environment where the dog's not safe and they can't look after it so I feel sorry for the doggo and yep I've told some owners off when they're doing it wrong. But when it's going well it's such a lovely thing to see.

How about you riding your bike in a public space is infringing on my enjoyment of walking my dog and putting myself and my dog in danger.

Are you trying to prove this point?

I have never met a pet dog owner whose brain is firing on all thrusters.

If your dog jumps out in front of a rider, making them break sharply

how **** cold is it where you ride 😮

Ha, everyone will, naturally, defend their own view point.... Mine more edging towards the 'we share this world, a little tolerance of others and theirs goes a long way to not getting stressed over that which is not so important.... In the grand scheme'

'Are you trying to prove this point?

I have never met a pet dog owner whose brain is firing on all thrusters'

Yep....The kids, not the dogs, did that....or I'm a little more chilled and worry less.

"Yep….The kids, not the dogs, did that"

Don't even get me STARTED about bloody kids! *winks, cos I don't have any stuffing emojis or anyfink*

Sod everyone else this is what I want to do is not the same as 'sharing'.

Bullshitsenseofentitlementtrackworld.

Yep….The kids, not the dogs, did that….or I’m a little more chilled and worry less.

😀

Dogs must be under control at all times in a public place and under close control around livestock.  control means returns to the owner when called. close control means at heel or on a lead.

If you are injured by the dog causing you to crash the owner is liable no if buts or ands.  The owner is responsible for the dog thus any damage it causes..  You can only boot the dog if it is attacking you or you fear it might.  Then you have the perfect right to do whatever you need to to control the dog including injuring and killing it but only enough force to stop it attacking you.  Same as if yo are attacked by a person

Thats the legal position

My daughter has scars on both knees due to a ‘trail dog’ running in front of her on a blue trail.

If you want to exercise your dog off the lead take it somewhere where you don’t expect people on bikes to have to avoid it regularly.

To be fair, as a dog owner I wouldn't take my dogs out on the bike for a number of reasons but mostly because there's no way I can claim to be in control of a dog when there's no prospect of being able to grab them by the collar if I need to for any unforeseen reason - whether their own safety or someone elses'.  It would also be impossible to properly watch them while riding.  Multiple dogs just makes it worse.  For these reasons, I don't really understand the trail dog thing although I could see the enjoyment potential in sunny bluesky land.

I still say that this thread shows an ugly side of the forum though - many of the views expressed on it are exactly those that you'd get on a cyclist bashing drivers' forum and with the same motivations of 'shouldn't be there' etc.  It's not sane to expect acceptance from drivers while we happily dish out the same bad treatment to anything we think is getting in our way in what we consider to be 'our' space.  Live and let live has to start somewhere.

"thats why the world is so fu–ed and animals are in decline ,"

Very true. Hang on while I feed my Polar Bear...

WTF are you on about?

'Sod everyone else this is what I want to do is not the same as ‘sharing'

Yep, elements of that, but my dogs are under control, the kids not so much.... And I would expect them to be safe there.

Choosing to ride your bike on what is essentially a public foot path also eludes to your comment.

I was riding round Greenham last weekend. Lots of famillies lots of dogs. Some kids were controlled, some werent, some dogs were controlled some werent, I slowed down when needed and eveeyone was happy...its not hard

I have see well trained trail dogs with responsible owners - its not an issue whent his is so.  Its badly trained dogs and irresponsible owners thats the problem.

It’s not sane to expect acceptance from drivers while we happily dish out the same bad treatment to anything we think is getting in our way in what we consider to be ‘our’ space. Live and let live has to start somewhere.

Not really the same thing at all. It all boils down to a sense of entitlement that it seems alot of car drivers and dog owners both have. They're all wrong and quite frankly ****ing self absorbed inconsiderate arseholes. THat's not aimed at you but it's the truth.

nobby - a dog has not rights whatsoever.  Its not a person. thats the difference.

Keep your dog under control its no issue - fail to keep your dog under control and you are breaking the law.  Its as simple as that.

TJ's spot on. This is always emotive because people love dogs. I've had it a few times, out of control dog (by definition) getting in the way. It's nothing to do with Strava, not riding for the conditions, baby robins, the decline of animals (WTF) or anything else. It's ****ing annoying and irresponsible. It would be just as annoying if a person leapt out of the undergrowth unexpectedly and stopped in front of me. Luckily that tends not to happen.

People should take them road riding instead. Would sort out the ones that are out of control.

"a dog has not rights whatsoever"

Try getting a dog taking it into town and kick it repeatedly, see what happens. I reckon being arrested would be your best outcome.

"Keep your dog under control its no issue – fail to keep your dog under control and you are breaking the law. Its as simple as that."

Its really not. I'd suggest you look up dangerously out of control but we've been here before and you dont want to listen

Hey. Hey you there. The folks saying "walk your dog early in the morning so people can ride bikes" and the folks saying "ride your bike early in the morning so people can walk dogs". Have you actually thought this through or is this just a thread where people come to talk a load of self-righteous sh…

oh wait a minute

TJ, you say a dog has no rights but I think you will find that they do. RSPCA will prove that to you if you start mistreating/abusing them.

Choosing to ride your bike on what is essentially a public foot path also eludes to your comment.

The simple fact is people having little to no consideration for others isn't solely a dog owner issue - mountain bikers, dog owners, walkers, horse riders they all do it. A little bit of thought for other people is never a bad thing - it does however feel society becomes more me me me centric on a daily basis.

*Puts philosophical hat away*

a dog has not rights whatsoever.

Go and kick a puppy in front of a police officer and tell them the same thing...

You come across as a bit of a tit sometimes.

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Sorry who is self absorbed?! Most self absorbed inconsiderate post of the thread?!

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https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

'and you are breaking the law. Its as simple as that'

Ha, a very minor law.... You never broken a law in your life? Get off your high horse....

I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle ground. A lot of dogs/owners could be more controlled, a lot of people riding could be more considerate.

I like the argument though!

Do you generally think that only humans have rights?! Thats pretty ****ed up

NOt hurting a dog unnecessarily is not a right.  Its a duty people have towards dogs.  dogs have no rights, people have duties towards animals

There is a difference between "dangerously out of control" for which a dog can be put down and is a criminal offence and " not under proper control" which is not a serious criminal offence andonly really comes into play if a dog causes damage

Sorry AA - you are wrong on this.  Dog owners have an obligation to keep their dogs under control at all times which is why owners are liable for any damage a dog causes the kennel club has a good section on legal stuff if you would like to learn

Go on find me a bit of law that outlines "rights" a dog has.  You will not be able to because only humans have rights

"Sorry AA – you are wrong on this"

You should go tell gov.uk

Yes AA - that the guidance to the dangerous dogs act.  NOw look at the stuff on keeping your dog under control

Its clearer is Scots law than english but its under different older bits of law and is case law not statute

Its very simply - you have an obligation to keep your dog under control at all times in public.  simple as that.

In the context of this thread that relates to land access rights and responsibilities...then no a dog doesn't have any.

Too suggest that is somehow indicative of a posters views on animal abuse (a total separate issue)  is ****ing tragic and completely pathetic.

I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle ground. A lot of dogs/owners could be more controlled, a lot of people riding could be more considerate.

**** me, some MTBers are the most considerate bellends ever!

But we're not on about MTBers, we're on about dog owners who need to engage their brain. Oh look there's cyclists about, we're at a trail centre, I best put my dog on a lead so it doesn't run in front of someone and cause itself and the cyclist an injury. It is not hard!

come on - show dogs have rights. they do not.  Its a basic precept of law that only humans have rights.

You quoted the guidence on the dangerous dogs act.  Its only one part of the law governeing dogs

This is clearly going no where. I don't care what the law states. In my opinion animals of any kind should have rights. That' an entirely different argument though

People have duties towards animals.  Animals do not have rights

There is a lot more to the law than statute

PLease note keeping your dog under control does not mean it has to be on a lead

I don’t care what the law states

Gotta be trolling 😀

I was arguing based on op being on non trail centre trails. If I'm wrong fair enough

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/media/8277/law.pdf</span>

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;"> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/22</span>

Plus loads of case law.

I am a little in it for argument but sshhhh!

What if the dog was wearing a helmet though?

How enduro was the dog?!

<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">There are 24 Acts of Parliament relating solely to dogs and a further 11 relating to animals in general. To add to that there are 15 statutory orders and regulations that relate to animals. Each and every one is currently in force.</span>

Someone saw a dog when they were out on a bike.

TJ quotes acts of parliament.😁

****ing hilarious.

I recon the dog had an open face helmet , goggles and matching/contrasting TLD Enduuro kit on.

I can't work out the qoute thing either!

What if the dog was wearing a helmet though?

I'd have run over it

Dogs must be under control at all times in a public place.......control means returns to the owner when called.

Alll good then, the bloke didn’t call his dog,

so......your legal case relies entirely on supposition and I’m dismissing it.

Next case please.

TJ is right though & it is quite simple. Dogs must be under control at all times, & as he said, It's as simple as that.

It’s really not that hard. Just keep your dog under control so it doesn’t cause a nuisance to others, if you don’t and someone gets hurt as a result expect a serious boot in the balls.

When my daughter got hurt I blamed the dog owner, not the dog.  When I have to slow to avoid dogs jumping out of the bushes on a shared use path because they are not on a lead who do you think I blame.

I’m a dog owner too, but some of you need to get a freaking grip.

“Trail dog”?  No such thing, it’s a dog on a trail.

Dogs should be under control no matter where they are.  If you are not controlling your dog, if it’s out of sight on publically-accessible land - you are inconsiderate and incompetent, end of.

Dogs also shouldn’t be out on trail centre trails either and equating them with children out on bikes is a completely false comparison.  Most small, slower children are not on black runs or the far side of a drop - whereas I have nearly run over a dog in the middle of a black rock garden.  Not much room for unexpected braking in the middle of one of those.

Be considerate - it’s not hard.

4 pages about this? Jeeze!

Not sure how you quote on this new forum but from page 1,this;
Good luck reasoning with him! I have never met a pet dog owner whose brain is firing on all thrusters.