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I'm glad I bought hope. 
Who I see they have tried to emulate (modulation). Article from Bikeradar.
In an attempt to set a rider up for one-finger braking, though, Shimano have lost some of their range of adjustment. Our smaller hand size barely put us into the usable range of the lever’s reach adjuster. And because the lever is so short, there wasn’t much we could do about it.While we were able to achieve our ideal initial setup by bottoming out the reach adjuster, that led to the most serious problem of our test – inconsistent brake lever feel. In the end, we were putting the Servo-Wave mechanical leverage adjustment at its highest point, which gave a mushy feel and seemed to open the lever up to additional sensitivity and the need for a perfect bleed.
The Saint’s brake performance was mind-blowing in terms of both power and modulation, but we experienced regular issues with brake pump on one set of sample stoppers. On long bouts of constant braking – anything up to two minutes or so – our levers would pump up and push out a noticeable amount. A quick release of the lever would reset its contact point, until the next bout of extended braking.
Shimano’s on-site techs attributed the change to air caught in the lines, and made three bleed attempts before having to swap the brake out. They then bled that brake. They didn’t, however, do a ‘vacuum’ bleed, which they did suggest at one point. That said, on our other set of sample brakes, we only experienced brake pump once, on the rear, while riding one of Whistler’s more extreme trails.
Over our three-day test period we did our best to give Shimano the benefit of the doubt, as many of the Saint parts arrived just hours before the camp began. The three-man crew led by Shimano Canada’s head tech, Ben Pye, worked until 3am the night before test day to get everything ready.
However, a rushed brake bleed can be excused once or twice, but three times with two different brakes is pushing it. We must stress that this probably wasn’t the techs’ fault, either, as the camp also served as their introduction to the group – it’s excusable that they might not have had the intricacies of the new parts completely nailed. Nonetheless, we left the camp with the unresolved issue on one set of brakes.
Back to the modulation, then. After receiving rider feedback from some of their top athletes, Shimano wanted to increase the amount of modulation on offer and remove the more on-off feel the older Saint brake gave. Power is now delivered in a far more controlled fashion – great for steep technical descents.
The feel certainly took time to adjust to, and opinion is still divided as to whether we prefer the more punchy feel of the older Saint brake. Regardless, the control is impressive.
Problem is, Aaron gwin was apparently involved in the development and it's quite clear he never actually uses them.
The review attributes brake pump/fade to the position of the lever blade? That sounds... Unlikely. Not sure I'd trust the review based on that.
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The review attributes brake pump/fade to the position of the lever blade? That sounds... Unlikely. Not sure I'd trust the review based on that.
I think you need to learn to read. A mushy feel does not = brake pump. For some god forsaken reason that I've never truly got my head around, lots of brakes are mushy when you dial the reach back, these apparently don't adjust far enough back before they get mushy. Or they were trying compensate for the lack of reach adjustment by trying to bring in the bite point.
Article from Bikeradar.
There's the issue; the brakes are probably fine it'll be the "journalism" that was crap...
I think you need to learn to read. A mushy feel does not = brake pump.
I was talking about the part where they say the brakes faded and the lever pumped outwards after a few minutes of riding. That's nothing to do the mechanics of the servo wave lever. In fact on my XT M785 brakes (and the SLX I had previously), the servo wave bits are independent of lever position (the old servo wave v brake levers were the opposite -not independent of lever position which caused some problems with the levers wound right in). Unless the new saints are a radically different design to all the other servo wave disc brakes, I'm calling bullshit on a lot of what's written in that article.
Great now shitamo can't setup their own brakes...
Waits for a million posts about how to bleed shitamo brakes in the upcoming months.
OP, just a teensy bit sad to gloat over the apparent superiority of your brakes?
Nahhh, I just decided to take the piss after reading so many "Hope are for retarded northern monkeys on Orange Fives, buy Shimano" posts.
Nahhh, I just decided to take the piss after reading so many "Hope are for retarded northern monkeys on Orange Fives, buy Shimano" posts.
take that back, I wouldn't put my hopes on an orange 5!!
Formula The Ones are hands down the best Ive tried. Everyone who has a go on my bike is shocked by how powerful they are. You can get adjusters on them I think. Spendy though
from
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/disc-brakes-whats-the-best#post-3434036
or read them all here
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/search.php?search=formula&advanced=1&exact=1&posts=1&highlight=1&users=735&located=0&forums%5B%5D=1&maxcount=100&age=366&direction=0&sort=date&order=0
Indeed it is Grum 😉
PS they are more powerful than any other brake i tried when I had the pleasure of testing them [ his brakes]
The hope M4s I had were useless, sticky pistons and awful feel. My old style saints are great, the new style SLXs however are not the best, maybe it is this new lever/master cylinder design.
Formula the ones are indeed the best feeling brake ever though.
I don't accept anything except Harvard referencing, sorry.
Lies and Slander!
lol JY you nobber. 🙂
Someone asks what brakes are good, I tell them. Bit different to looking out for bad reviews of other brakes then gloating in order to make myself feel better about my choice.
God you lot are ****ing boring tonight! I'll have to find other ways of winding some of you up.
Point taken Grum.