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How are folk getting on with these? How do they compare to similar bikes? I nearly bought one at £999 which makes it near impossible to pay £1199…
That's why I got the preorder as soon as it started! I knew I'd just procrastinate and dither waiting for an inevitable sale and get massive FOMO otherwise.
The £200 extra does get a nice wheel upgrade. So just convince yourself that you would have thought the fulcrums too heavy/narrow.
The only way I would have been tempted to wait longer would be to buy a frame and build it up with a Shimano drivechain. But unless you get lucky with a fork and have lots of good kit spare I don't think it's possible to match the spec for <£1200, especially as micro spline options are limited.
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Nobodys got one in a rideable state yet. For an extra £200 they might pack it properly.
Any fork deals around or anyone spotted anything good 2nd hand? Missed the bargain PX ones?
Decathlon seem to have the Judy's for a good price, although as usual their spec is missing on the website so they might be the even cheaper version, they're just listed as "spares for rockrider......"
Merlin have Pikes for £400, but they're not boost.
Decathlon seem to have the Judy’s for a good price, although as usual their spec is missing on the website so they might be the even cheaper version, they’re just listed as “spares for rockrider……”
Do we think the Decathlon are Boost spacing or regular, can't even find hub width on the bike they are listed as a spare for.
Edit - I think I found that it is!
Some frames half price. I can't see what size though. £125. You might have to watch the video for details
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/BNFR66/planet-x-bargain-frame-66---scandal
66 is sold
67 is a large.
Nobodys got one in a rideable state yet
Mines rideable after some gentle persuasion to straighen the hanger. However it's done nowt but rain since, and will continue for the foreseeable, so I've only ridden it once. Wrecking drivetrains, brakes, and fork seals in the wet sandy mud round here was one reason I stopped riding MTB for years, moan moan moan.
That’s why I got the preorder as soon as it started! I knew I’d just procrastinate and dither waiting for an inevitable sale and get massive FOMO otherwise.
Procrastinate is my middle name! The things that slightly put me off were the narrower bar and having to source and fit a dropper.
Thanks for the views everyone.
Really enjoying my scandal...
I can only really have one bike, so thought I'd try and make the scandal 3 bikes by having 3 sets of wheels 🤔
29er with the supplied fulcrum wheels and gx cassette, 2.5 dhf and 2.4 dhr. Xt ice tech rotors
Gravelly Roadie thingy with superstar clearance wheels (hence random colour!) with extra October offer for 70quid delivered, fitted with a 2.1 thunder burt and a 45c riddler. ebay 203mm discs at 8quid each and a nx 12 speed cassette from ebay
27.5+ m1900 I had in shed with 3.0 trail boss and 3.0 vee Trax fatty thingy found on ebay. Also with ebay 203mm discs at 8quid each and a nx 12 speed cassette from ebay
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Had my first 27.5+ ride today on our local trails and I was very impressed, comfy, rolled well and not as slow to respond as I expected... I think brant was onto something when he showed us his scandal on 27.5+!
Going to fit a 34t front ring to see if I can get a smidge more speed when out with my gravel bike riding mates.
If it helps previous ring related queries, it came with fitted a 32t 3mm offset boost ring.
203 rotors fit 😮
Yes, no issues with 203mm...i presume that wasn't a design criteria 😁
No!
Just seen it, fame at last... 😁
Thanks brant 👍🏽
I better not let Mrs EV see this I will have to sell 2 of my other bikes!
I better not let Mrs EV see this I will have to sell 2 of my other bikes!
Nonsense, just buy more.
Future me: "these new bikes?" "No, I've always had a 27.5+ bike, look at this photo from 2019".
Quite liking mine. Done about 200km on it. Doesn't feel anything like as cumbersome as every other 29er I've ever ridden. Haven't done any proper gnarr on it yet, because I'm still playing with fit.
It's made my 650b Explosif feel even more fun, too.
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Just finished my new Scandal. Took most of the parts from my old Niner SS which broke. The fork is only 100mm adjusted so the geometry is a bit flat at the front but then it’s only intended for slipping around in the depths of winter. Might get a suspension fork for it next year but seeing as I have a carbon Niner for racing then maybe not.
Ive had a few rides on my scandal now. For how much i paid im pretty impressed with it, Was built as a winter hack from my spares box so is a miss mash of parts but its ideal for the winter slop.
Its a bit sh*t up after yesterdays ride 🙂 but heres a couple of pics.
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Anyone know the weight of the two builds?
NVM, just checked the website, 28lbs for the GX.
Does that stack up in the real world?
Hi,
Just in case anyone is looking at a new rear maxle this ktm fits. It is slightly too long but the thread starts and ends before and after the on one maxle. I couldn't find a better match for the price £20 delivered. My lbs had a ktm bike in and we tried it for size. Sorry about the pictures (on my ebay app it's free postage but on the below link it's £15 postage)
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223324807576
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Finally got my new wheels built, stans flow mk3 rims with schwalbe nobby nic 2.6 tyres. They didn't come up as wide as I was expecting but they are a fair bit bigger than the maxxis 2.35 I've removed. Based on the profile I think I could squeeze a 2.8 in and still have mud clearance. I reckon the genesis tarn fork might fit a 3.25, there's loads of clearance on that.
Ignore the slightly rusty chain and the dodgy routing of the brake as the cable is slightly too short. It's a winter bike!
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Been out a few times on mine, mix of woody singletrack and open moor.
I'm still not 100% certain if I like it.
I'm hoping it's new bike fettle syndrome, and I just need to get my position sorted out, but it feels quite sluggish, maybe going this slack actually wasn't for me after all..:-/
Front end feels a bit wandery, OK on the down, with the wheel weighted, but undulating singletrack is quite a handful.
I ended up sticking a slight layback post on, as the forward position didn't feel comfy and made me feel a bit cramped whilst seated (I'm on an XL, and 6'2, long torso, short legs), that didn't feel quite right, so upped the stem from a 50mm to a 60mm to see if that helps.
It seems to have a bit, and I will persist as I suspect that I just need to lower the front end until I get the correct balance on the front wheel weighting.
Still, if I need to sell it on it's not going to be a huge financial loss..just time off the MTB..
I'll report back in a couple of weeks 🙂
I'd built mine up from bits I had in stock and felt kinda the same as you, until I swapped out the 720mm bars I had on it for some 780s. That, and swapping from 36T to 30T up front. It has transformed it. Although I think 32T might have been a better bet.
Thinking of getting one of these frames to build up, at 175cm tall as usual I seem to between sizes medium and large, better to size up or down on one of these? A different frame but had a PEX London Road a while back in medium and it felt a bit too small even when altering saddle layback, stem etc. Erring for large size - any advice? Cheers
Thinking of getting one of these frames to build up, at 175cm tall as usual I seem to between sizes medium and large, better to size up or down on one of these? A different frame but had a PEX London Road a while back in medium and it felt a bit too small even when altering saddle layback, stem etc. Erring for large size – any advice? Cheers
Im 175 and went for a large.... but in a way I reckon an XL would be even better.
So apart from the dropout sticking out the box, at the other end the bottom of the head tube is dented, not sure if from transit or before. The lower race doesn't quite sit in the head tube because of the dent.
Is there any reason I shouldn't just hit it with a hammer to straighten it back out? Or do you think if I press in the lower race regardless it will straighten the head tube too?
Because it's under warranty and they'll take it back if you ask?
I know it's extra faff, but i'd be wanting a fresh frame, no messing about with dents on a new frame...
Meanwhile, i'm doing the slowest build ever due to lack of time (gonna blame it on a sick toddler). I've blacked out all the stickers and everything is pretty much ready to swap over.
@bigjim send it back and get a new one.
My xl bike also came in a box with the head tube out
So did mine, spoke to them on chat and it was replaced (well after I was given a refund and asked for it to be replaced). In the end good service.
Good service? More than one XL frame sent out in a box that's too small and damaged as a result doesn't sound like good service.
Bought mine as winter hack to save trashing the full susser (Ripmo)....
Now to be also used for the commute after the road bike went under a bus!
yeah but I'm overseas and the time/expense to find a box for it and post it back to UK hardly seems worth it for such a cheap frame if I can just smack it straight again or if a headset press will make it round again. I would like a new mech hanger though so I'll drop them an email, just haven't had time to think about it yet, think it'll be a xmas hols project.
My parkwood frame came the same way years ago so they must get a whole lot of returned frames/bent hangers from lazy packaging. says the guy too lazy to post it back ha
I notice there are a couple of scandals in the classifieds (already!) @Lovewookie - be interested to know why it didn't suit you?
Honestly, I think I'm just weird, or set in my ways..one of the two, or perhaps both..
It's a lovely bike, I think for those that have tried the LLS trend and get on with it.
I can see how it may work for me on paper, I've always preferred long bikes, but the geometry is very different to what I'm used to. However, I figured that the extra reach may work out any misgivings I've previoulsy had about slack bikes (my NS was an example of a bike that just felt slow, thought it was the steel frame, and the slack front and the relatively normal sized reach)
Back when the Inbreds were about (the bikes.) I found those a bit odd feeling. Should be long enough, but the slack-for-the-time head angle did something odd to how the bike felt on the trails I like to ride. Something not really reported, as most folk got it. I did have one set up with rigid forks, which worked nicely, but the forks were probably a bit short for the frame, but just right for me.
Anyway, back to the scandal.
to get comfy on it, I needed to stick the saddle all the way back. I guess steep seatubes don't really work for me.
When set up I compared the overall reach from saddle to bars, compared to my other bike and the scandal was a fair bit shorter, which surprised me really. However, I had heard that longer, slacker bikes feel shorter in the saddle, but are good when out of the saddle.
for me, this ended up being a compromise too far. uphill and along undulating trails, I shift my weight alot along the saddle. I couldn't get comfy uphill, the bike just felt very short. in twisty singletrack I ended up fighting a bike that felt too short, had sluggish steering (I'm sure something I'd adjust to) yet had a tendancy to wander and felt twitchy. Don't know why that would be, but it was similar to my NS.
all in all, it felt like a bit of a handfull.
I can see, for someone more used to that type of geometry and someone who doesn't struggle like me, to find a bike that fits, would get the best from it. I'm just a bit weird.
Thanks for sharing that, useful to know. Surprised to hear it felt short, but can understand how from what you're saying, based on steeper SA. I'm coming from a Parkwood, which although it's a tad too short (because no XL sizes), I really like the ride. I'm interested to see how mine rides when i finally get it built up. My riding is mainly XC/rolling terrain, with little in the way of saddle-dropping downhills. It'll be my first properly LLS bike, so will see how I go.
Think you'll probably like it if you managed to get on a bit with the parkwood. The scandal reach is 480mm while the parkwood was closer to 420 according to geometrygeeks.
I moved from a 445 reach, 72 seat and 70 head angle bike, witha 100mm stem, so quite a change for me. had longer bikes before, but they;ve been hovering around the 69-70 deg head angle, and felt off. for me, somewhere around 67-68 and long would probably feel about right, but it can be dificult tryng lots of bikes out, so take a punt on something and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. (obviously not if you're shelling out £0000's)
If anyone is still thinking of buying a scandal but are waiting for a sale there's now 20% off with build It yourself (express, must be competent) with code PBREXPRESS20.
10% off if not some competent with normal code
I see the carbon whippet is now available on their website... With a selcof carbon fork and the rockshox 35 fork as an extra option, suggesting its suspension corrected for 130mm ish...
So would that selcof fork be a pretty good fit for a scandal?
I cannot see it for sale separately on the website and am keen to try one out if its boost and will take a decent size tyre!
The whippet used to be 100mm travel.
I'd send @brant a message on Monday and ask him.
I'm running a genesis tarn carbon fork on mine and it rides well. You might be able to compare the two?
Thanks I do keep my eyes out for a second hand tarn fork, they seem to be harder to find now!
I've just spotted there "special edition" scandal seems to run the same carbon fork...
I'll ask next week 👍🏽
Ordered my 'paint chipped' scandal for £125 at 6pm on 23rd and it was delivered on the 24th at 9am. Great service 🙂
Anyway, I'm considering forks. Has anyone give at far as 140mm on it?
Running 140 Yari's on mine just whilst my 130 air shaft arrives ( still not ordered one yet!)
what is the max size rotor you can get to fit the rear wheel?
Reported
@saskowski There's a bike build on the previous page (15) with a 203 on the rear.
Anyone know how to take the rotors off the Scandal?
The fulcrums are centerlock, so you need a bb socket, spanner wont work as the locknut is flush with the disc.
E.g.
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/x-tools-x-tools-pro-shimano-bb-tool/
Edit: theres multiple bb standards now, i think thats the right one and its shimanos newer ones that have an addapter that sits inside it.
Anyone know how to take the rotors off the Scandal?
If they're centre lock rotors you can use a cassette lockring tool.
Ive managed to mash my bottom cartridge bearing from the zelcof headset I bought with the frame.
I don't fancy paying £40 for another. Can anyone link me to another headset that'll fit the scandal frame?
Thanks
If they’re centre lock rotors you can use a cassette lockring tool.
Not on a through axle you cant. Its a hollowtech BB spanner.
I don’t fancy paying £40 for another. Can anyone link me to another headset that’ll fit the scandal frame?
ZS56/40
Hope pick and mix part E. Its still £35 or so for just the lower part but will be better sealed.
Keep the selcoff upper part, they have an easier life as theyre not subject to a constant spray of mud.
Alternatively just measure the bearing and get one off ebay for £3 or so. It wont last any longer than the original, but at a few quid a go you can just replace them after each winter.
Not on a through axle you cant. Its a hollowtech BB spanner.
Ah, I didn't realise that. I've only had centre lock rotors on QR hubs.
Thanks, that's actually a good point I can just replace the cartridge bearing. The existing bearing ive thrown it as I managed to completely destroy it.
Do you or anyone know the exact size bottom cartridge bearing? @brant ?
Many thanks
Anyone else having issues with water in the bottom bracket? Mine doesn't have a drain hole. Everytime I put it in a work stand, water drips out the downtube hole for the cables.
Normally I'd drill my own but it might nill the warranty. @brant any suggestions? I've already killed one bottom bracket.
Thanks
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Ive managed to mash my bottom cartridge bearing from the zelcof headset I bought with the frame.
A small investment in a mudguard and your bearings will last much longer - especially if you can avoid hosing that area.
Do you or anyone know the exact size bottom cartridge bearing?
I can drop mine out later and have a look. I slathered it in grease so it should be surviving!
I've noticed my bottom bracket area is also full of water.
I think it's either coming down the seat post or in the dropper cable hole on the back of the seat tube.
I'm tempted to drill a hole to let it out.
I've covered my seatpost holes in sugru so it's not from there.
I've got some more so I'll fill in some more holes. The only problem is if it still gets in there's no where for it to get out.
Any drilling will void the warranty but I'm still tempted.
Must be the seat tube then as I don't think there is another way in.
Going to try a bit of inner tube over the seat post / seat tube and see if that helps.
How is everyone getting on with their scandal?
I built mine as a winter bike but I'm still riding it. The full suss is moth balled.
Some good offers on at the moment
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/ZXSCANDALCFFS/on-one-scandal-and-selcof-carbon-fork-bundle
Scandal frame and Selcof rigid fork £300
Or £400 with a rockshox gold fork.
Question about the geometry on these... Might have been answered before, but haven't spotted it...
Is the geometry chart on the website for static or sagged geometry, and is that with a 120 or 130mm fork?
Cheers
@mboy, I don't think that's been asked. Brant would be the one who would know but I don't think he's with px oo anymore.
What size frame you interested in? Maybe one of us could work it out for you?
I'm running a rigid fork so can't help you
Just finished stripping and cleaning my scandal. Took the £13 headset apart and the bearings are absolutely perfect, cleaned them up and put them back in. I only bought the headset to get me going, I never thought it would last a winters riding in Yorkshire grit and getting hosed down after every ride.
My scandal has quickly become my favourite bike.
How has everyone else got on with theirs?
What size frame you interested in? Maybe one of us could work it out for you?
Any would do... Just so I know how it’s been measured really... Easy to compare measures stats against the geo chart.
Didn’t realise Brant had done again! 🤷🏻♂️
Static 120mm as I recall.
How has everyone else got on with theirs?
I refused to trash it in the grit at Swinley over the winter, so it's had a couple of shakedown rides locally and hat's been it! As soon as the weather improved, Swinley shut!
Does anybody know the offset/rake on the carbon selcof fork? 27.5+/29er
Also - will a 29 x 3.0 dirt wizard fit the selcoff rigid fork?
How are people getting on with their Scandals?
Thinking of getting one for general trail duties- bit of XC, bit of singletrack, the odd road section & odd trail center.
I've got a 150mm FS 29er for big days, so this would be the winter/general bike..
What A-C distance do people running rigid forks on their Scandals have?
What A-C distance do people running rigid forks on their Scandals have?
I'm running some forks off a genesis tarn. I think they are 120mm for a 29er. No idea what the A-C is.
Anyone using longer forks than 130mm?
Scandal and Big dog frames now at £150 with a headset and seat clamp - delivery £15
Which one to buy???
Would I get away with a medium Big Dog? Usual ride a large but reach and stack seem comparable to my other bikes
not a large big dog - sold out already
Would I get away with a medium Big Dog? Usual ride a large but reach and stack seem comparable to my other bikes
How do the stems and head angles compare?
Everything's got a longer reach than it used to have, but also has a slacker head angle and shorter stem. So handlebars are by and large still in the same place relative to the saddle. This isn't 2004 anymore, 69deg head angles and 40mm stems are thankfully not a fashion anymore.
I'd get a large if that's what you normally ride, going off a couple of measurements is fine, but the designers hopefully balanced everything else to make it handle well. At an extreme example, the reach and stack of a recumbent is very different. But combined with whatever the angles, wheelbase, stem length etc work out as still results in something with vaguely neutral handling.
Whenever I've deviated from the size guide (or rounded down rather than up) I've always regretted it.
I ordered a cheap frame bundle last night, not really sure what I'm going to do with it, but I've got one coming (I hope).
A couple of questions:
1) What's the BB height like with a 120mm fork?
2) Was the head angle ever established? 65 degrees at 120mm static?
I had a MK2 Scandal (all aluminium) and while it was great in some ways, and light, I thought it pretty nervous downhill and in technical stuff, not that I was trying to ride DH trails. Just wondering how the new geo will compare, it's a lot slacker, a longer fork, and generally more modern, but I envisage it doing a similar job (long, mixed, local rides with a fair bit of road), just better on the downs... I like the long aspect of new bikes, I was always running stems 20-30mm longer than advised on 'old geo' bikes to get comfortable. I guess the effect of the slacker head angle will be offset a bit by a short stem...
Also, I presume OO/PX are spec'ing all these bikes with 35mm forks because they got a lorry load cheap? Seems a slightly odd pairing with relatively light frames (Whippet has the same 35mm fork)?
Also, I presume OO/PX are spec’ing all these bikes with 35mm forks because they got a lorry load cheap? Seems a slightly odd pairing with relatively light frames (Whippet has the same 35mm fork)?
A fair assumption, given the Gold RL shares the same chassis as a Lyrik or Yari, meaning they are tough as old boots! It's not even the lighter Pike/Revelation chassis.
A couple of questions:
1) What’s the BB height like with a 120mm fork?
2) Was the head angle ever established? 65 degrees at 120mm static?
Brant responded thus to my geometry question...
Static 120mm as I recall.
So if accurate, you'll have a 58mm BB drop static, which equates to 313mm static BB height on 2.35" Schwalbe, or around 310mm on 2.3" Maxxis.
Well I've bought one at £150 with headset. Couldnt not, really. I'd like to build it quite light and racy, might upgrade my main bike to 12 speed XT and use the 11 speed.
The XC bike reviews in the latest mag issue got me tempted!