love a good on-one thread.
Thank's a lot Brant for this fast and detailed answer. I am, however, disappointed because this frame sounds so good but this STA soed not suits me.
Sguiom riding to the shops earlier
Thats funny, but 73° is not like this 🙂 stanton sherpa is 72°, ragley big wig is 72°, santa cruz chameleon is 72.8° ... and this new scandal is 73° in M size! There are also a lot of bike at 74 or 74.5°, but that's the steepest hardtails.
Interesting. By my slightly dodgy math, the difference in horizontal distance between a 72 and 73 degree seatpost is 12.something mm. Most seat rails have that much adjustment, no? Can anyone really feel a 12mm difference when riding?
Can anyone really feel a 12mm difference when riding?
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Depends how pointy your saddle is.
Ask your
Depends how pointy your saddle is.
Install dropper. Don't point saddle upwards. Wear tighter shorts. Move seat back.
job jobbed
FYI, I found a setback dropper seatpost so I am changing my mind... because it looks so cool and it was for me the only downside!
According to the website, you need:
Headset: Tapered / IS42/28.6 IS52/40
30.9 seatpost and 34.9 seatpost clamp
BSA 73mm bottom bracket
Boost rear axle.
Get your shopping done early so its ready to be built by the time it arrives in October, November or Christmas.
It comes with a rear axle according the one of Brant's posts.
It comes with a rear axle according the one of Brant’s posts.
Sorry, that was misleading. I meant boost rear wheel.
Any recommendations for a IS42/28.6 IS52/40 headset?
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Any recommendations for a IS42/28.6 IS52/40 headset?
I've gone with Hope previously for this spec.
Seriously tempted by one of these.
Brant - do the DT cable covers come with the frame?
Brant – do the DT cable covers come with the frame?
I'm certainly hoping so.
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Brant – do the DT cable covers come with the frame?I’m certainly hoping so.
🙂
Thank you Brant.
I'm guessing now that the store has gone there's no collection option? I'm up in Sheffield pretty regularly with work?
Orange XL ordered, first new mtb in 14 years! I don't ride my old one much, so it's been hard to justify replacing it. Excited now though.
Orange L just ordered! Looking forward to my first complete bike build since I did my Zaskar in 2005. Granted I'll be reusing components from my horrible Zaskar 29er, but still.
Can't believe I've come back to Singletrack for the first time in years and a few days later I'm buying bike stuff again... or maybe I can.
I’m guessing now that the store has gone there’s no collection option? I’m up in Sheffield pretty regularly with work?
+1
I want to pick it up and Brant to pose for photos handing over the boxes like giant novelty cheques.
Either that or just save £20 on yodel an get some wierd bent bars instead.
I want to pick it up and Brant to pose for photos handing over the boxes like giant novelty cheques.
Ok. We’ll see what we can do. Will. Be a Sunday evening only though.
DPD now BTW
Large black un ordered. Still regret getting rid of my old MK2.
I want to pick it up and Brant to pose for photos handing over the boxes like giant novelty cheques.
What are the dimensions of the frame box?
I miss calling in to pick up ordered stuff from the Barnsley and then the Rotherham stores. I've always thought that a Screwfix or Toolstation front of desk type arrangement would work for picking up and probably work better than staffing a full store.
Med orange hovering in my basket, if I had wheels and fork I'd be all over it. Not sure I can afford it currently......
I Pressed buy on an xl orange one.
First modern bike for a long time, alwasy gone back to land of 100mm stems and 100mm travel hardtails..
Brant, any chance you can do this as a build it yourself deal but not a complete bike?
For example I need a headset, gears, bb, etc but I don't want those forks, wheels or tyres.
Or would that be getting too complicated?
I would like a good deal on the fork!
This would be a complete bike either discounted or 10% off full retail if you want to come and build it yourself.
No SRAM parts available on their own due to our OE agreements about ensuring safe assembly on a bicycle.
Probably stretching the limits of genuine replies a bit here Brant.
Just about to pre-order the Scandal 29, but O-O have lumped £20(!!!) on for postage.
£20 seems pretty excessive. I'm sure this wasn't there last time, Brant?
Any word on bootzipper price / geo / ETA?
@brant - any idea on the weight of the scandal frame.
I don’t need one.... but it’s in the basket!
I would imagine its a bit under 2kg. I don't have a figure here but it's certainly not a biffer, nor an XC flyweight.
Same as wzzz Brant. Ant eta on the bootzipper, this side of Xmas??
Same as wzzz Brant. Ant eta on the bootzipper, this side of Xmas??
Sure thing. They are just having stickers stuck on then. I reckon 6-7 weeks. That's not quite Christmas is it?
Pre order discount on the frameset same as the Scandal? Any price yet??
Hmmmm - tempting. I've got a Scandal V1 which one of these could replace, or maybe just "sit alongside" depending.
What size for a 6'1" normally proportioned rider - Large?
Pre order discount on the frameset same as the Scandal? Any price yet??
The steel frames are significantly more than the alloy ones. And come with a fork in two cases. But preorder discounts of course. And bikes.
Is there a definitive price Brant?
Is there a definitive price Brant?
On the steel ones? God knows. Someone's just told me we are painting some of them, but I can't remember which.
Will be clearer when they're ready to put on the boat.
Excellent hope there are some cool colours like the Stooges 🤞
We could never be as cool as Stooge.
Hi Brant
Boring question re the Scandal - could you comment on sizing please? At 6'1" what size should I order, large ?
Can someone explain.....
Pike rct3 - the pooches whatsits
Pike rc - slightly simpler but still the same damper.
Revelation charger rc - how is that different?
Revelation rc - motion control
35 rl - motion control, how is that different? Is it just like the old rl forks where the compression adjuster is 4 clicks for normal ~15 to lockout. In which case what does the rc get you other than a topcap that looks like the charger one but with less pixie dust*?
Yours,
Confuddled of Berkshire.
*same expensive pixie dust as goes into 853 tubes.
P.s. do they all use the same CSU regardless of travel? If i get a 120mm set and a 130mm (or 140, 150, 160) air shaft is that going to work or do they trim the tubes to save weight?
Boring question re the Scandal – could you comment on sizing please? At 6’1″ what size should I order, large ?
Me? I liked our old 18in frames, and I am 6'1 and a bit.
I think all the 5'8" modern geometry fans are riding XLs aren't they?
(Yes, I would go large, though I ride steep stuff, if I was nodding along tracks an XL might be better).
Brant
Close to pulling trigger on full build - couple of queries. What’s the code for the £200/ £150 off? Tried the earlier preorder code but only worked on frame only. Also live near Sheffield what’s chance of collection (know this has been asked previously!)
Undecided on colour, keep flitting between both. How’s the orange looking ‘real life’
Cheers
What's everyone's opinion of the build for £800?
I got my email yesterday asking if I wanted to upgrade to a full build.
Am I right in thinking the forks are similar to how the old revelations were but with 35mm sanctions?
The wheels and tyres look very heavy and cheap.
The sram sx 1x12 is really good at that price point and the planet x / oo finishing kit is OK.
Just wondering about taking them up on the deal.
Thanks
Also what sizing thoughts for 5’7” - small or medium?
Close to pulling trigger on full build – couple of queries. What’s the code for the £200/ £150 off? Tried the earlier preorder code but only worked on frame only.
£100 off a frame right now with code PREORDER100
and £200 off a complete bike with code PREORDER200
BIKE - https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOSCSX/on-one-scandal-sx?deal=PREORDER200
FRAME - https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FROOSC29V3/on-one-scandal-29er-mtb-frame?deal=PREORDER100
Cheers Brant. What would recommendation be for 5’7” small or medium?
The wheels and tyres look very heavy and cheap.
This seems a bit harsh.
Cheers Brant. What would recommendation be for 5’7” small or medium?
Medium.
Seems like a proper bargain for £800. Used to have a V1 Scandal back in the day and I have a hankering for a winter hardtail after not having one for a few years. This is really tempting me...!
Pre ordered a frame just now. I want to built it up as a singlespeed do it all/ winter bike and was wondering what my options are for a singlespeed conversion.
This seems a bit harsh.
Sorry brant, don't get me wrong, Its an £800 bike, they are decent wheels for a bike that price just not what I'd want to ride.
How many sets of bottle bosses? Just down tube or seat tube as well? One of pics on 'Scandal through the years' show 2 sets, but I can only make out one set on frame pics. Ta.
One set on downtube on production model.
Ta - what about Big Dog - has that got 3 sets?
Pre ordered a frame just now. I want to built it up as a singlespeed do it all/ winter bike and was wondering what my options are for a singlespeed conversion.
Sprung or unsprung tensioner. Push down works in almost all cases, push up works with gears that need slightly less tenioning.
Blackspire stinger style tensioner (potentially neater but limited tensioning range like any push up tensioner)
Trickstuff eccentricer (pricey, also limited tensioning range)
Limited tensioning can be overcome by adding a half link, dont use an entire chain as they're not great. Half links rule out cheap narrow wide rings so you have to source a propper ss chainring which arent as common as they once were as everyones making n/w by default. My preference is for sprung push down tensioners, they generally just work with little or no setup or adjustment required.
Ta – what about Big Dog – has that got 3 sets?
No. Just one.
Bootzippers have two at least.
No. Just one.
Bootzippers have two at least.
Bugger was getting excited! Defo shot on IG showing Big Dog with rack mounts and 3 sets of bosses. Perfect all-rounder 😁
Bugger was getting excited! Defo shot on IG showing Big Dog with rack mounts and 3 sets of bosses.
Proto. How would someone who couldn’t afford a dropper post drop their saddle?
Any chance to have a dropper as an option on the upgrades section on the order?
Any chance to have a dropper as an option on the upgrades section on the order?
Potentially at some point.
We’ve been quite taken aback having shifted well over 100 in a week so we’re retuning our logistics to supply the demand.
@thisisnotaspoon I've not seen the 35 yet but the "charger" damper in the rev charger isn't actually a charger. It's another damper using an ifp instead of a bladder. It's somewhere between moco and a real charger performance wise.
Dear Confuddle of Berkshire.
Short version.
Charger 2 damper
This is RockShox current range-topping damper. It's a fully sealed unit that uses a bladder to keep the damping oil isolated from the air. It's available in different formats depending on the application, but the three main specs are the basic RC with adjustable rebound and low-speed compression to lockout, the RCT3 with three position compression setting from lock-pedal-open with low-speed compression adjustment in the open mode and the RC2 which gets high and low-speed adjustable compression damping plus rebound. The latter is only seen on dedicated gravity forks.
Charger 2.1 damper
This is an updated version of the Charger 2 damper seen on 'Ultimate' forks with some changes to the valving, such as less high-speed compression damping and more low-speed compression damping to make the fork sit up high in its travel.
There is also a new piston wear band inside the damper which is said to better manage oil flow, while a new rod seal from SKF is claimed to reduce friction by upwards of 30% at the rebound shaft.
It is available in RC2 and RCT3 versions, with the same differences in adjustment as the regular Charger range.
Motion Control
This is the mid-range damper and it comes in a few different formats. All are emulsion dampers, where the damping oil isn't separated from the air in the fork, which can lead to less precisely controlled damping when the two materials mix -become an emulsion - under more extreme use. Not having the damping oil under any positive pressure - as it is in a sealed damper - can lead to loss of damping control due to cavitation as well, though this is rare.
Debonair spring
This is the premium air spring that RockShox offers. It uses a higher volume self-balancing negative air spring relative to the standard Solo Air design to offer reduced breakaway force for better small bump compliance and a more linear starting stroke.
Dual Position Air spring
This is an air spring that allows you to externally adjust the travel by up to 30mm, depending on the fork.
Solo Air spring
This is the standard air spring seen on RockShox forks. It's called Solo air because you only need to add air to a single valve and the spring will equalise the negative chamber by itself. At one point, they had a Dual Air spring that required you to do this via a second valve, hence the name.
Turn Key damper
This is the most simple and hence affordable damper seen on RockShox forks. It's a basic emulsion damper.
I copied that to my local machine, for my own reference. I got it from a longer article in one of the magazines - I just can't remember which one -sorry. If you copy a bit verbatim and paste it not Google the original will probably come up, since I cut and paste it verbatim.
Sorry brant, don’t get me wrong, Its an £800 bike, they are decent wheels for a bike that price just not what I’d want to ride.
Buy a more expensive bike then. It's not rocket science.
Cheers cromolyolly, although kula72 had it more succinctly!
So the revelation charger is the same idea as the fox grip damper, replace the bladder with an ifp to simplify it.
@TINAS Thanks for the info 👍
Cheers cromolyolly, although kula72 had it more succinctly!
Yeah but I cut and paste so it was quicker (for me)
So the revelation charger is the same idea as the fox grip damper, replace the bladder with an ifp to simplify it.
Yep, ifp with a coilspring, iirc.
Confusingly I think they call that the charger rc damper, but if you buy a fork with an rc suffix, it wont necessarily have the rc damper but it might - clear as mud?
The 35 seems to be a replacement for the last revelation rc, leading to speculation that the revelation rc might disappear leaving just one revelation like the reba? series. Or the revelation rc will get an upgraded damper or spring from the previous version so it will be halfway between the 35 and the 'better' revelation -although it's difficult to see how they could do that unless they bump up the spec on the better revelation too. Although I'm sure I read somewhere that there are actually 2 debonairs so maybe that comes into it. I think the 35 has cheaper seals and the like vs the revelation rc.
So 35 = debonair + motion control
'old' revelation rc = debonair + motion control
Revelation charger rc = debonair + charger rc
Buy a more expensive bike then. It’s not rocket science.
But I want a scandal, I loved my racing green scandal. Its the only bike I regret selling.
I was asking what people thought of the build and my reply was to brant.
I've bought a frame only and I will build it up but considered the full build and asked for people's comments.
Thanks for your input though
Hi Brant
I have a scandal complete sat in my basket 😬 but I wanted to know if I could pick it up from your factory as I am only 20mins away,if this is possible how do I cancel the delivery charge
Thanks
Hi Brant
I have a scandal complete sat in my basket 😬 but I wanted to know if I could pick it up from your factory as I am only 20mins away,if this is possible how do I cancel the delivery charge
Thanks
If that becomes possible we'd issue a refund. We have nothing in place yet, but it might be an option if we do our new "Sunday nighter" format we're working on.
Though we'd definitely try and sell you a box of something instead of giving you any money back.
TLDR? "Get it bought"
Brant
When does the £200 preorder offer end, may need to sort some bank stuff first next week!
Cheers
Drops to £150 discount a week on Thursday.
19th September then? That should fit in well for me. Thanks
I've gone for an xl bike! Whoop whoop!
Is there any chance of getting an uncut steerer tube so I can set it to my height?
I normally have a huge stack of spacers under the stem.
Is there any chance of getting an uncut steerer tube so I can set it to my height?
I normally have a huge stack of spacers under the stem.
Yes. What’s your sales order number?
Hi Brant - have ordered a frame, thinking over a full build although I have a fair few parts ready to put on, would you consider a Frame+Fork type bundle?
Hi Brant – have ordered a frame, thinking over a full build although I have a fair few parts ready to put on, would you consider a Frame+Fork type bundle?
We can’t offer the fork that’s fitted to the bike as a combo due to our assembly agreements with SRAM.
