slimjim78
Am gutted. Was really hoping the Bootzipper 29 would accept a full transplant of my drivetrain and wheels, but full boost spec rules me out.
That shouldn't be the case, you may need nothing more than a rear boost converter.
Thanks brant.
Are you doing pre orders? I don't want to wait and then miss out!
Jeez six weeks is nearly mid October 🙁
Brant any word on the steel frame?
https://www.planetx.co.uk/news/products/q/date/2019/08/27/new-steel-coming-soon
...From the steel on one frame thread
New Scandal looks good to me, might be an upgrade for my trusty parkwood, mainly to get an XL - Brant, think t was mentioned before, but is there going to be an XL frame? Assuming that six weeks is the shipping time from China/Taiwan and the pics are from the factory...doesn't seem that long to wait.
is there going to be an XL frame?
65 head
500mm seat tube
480 reach, 610 stack (I think)
74.5 seat angle
135mm headtube.
660 ETT
58mm drop
120-130 fork.
Thanks - sounds good!
Thanks brant.
Are you doing pre orders? I don’t want to wait and then miss out!
Just wait a few months for them to go on "sale" and pay the real price....I'm saving for a black friday bootzipper...
Thanks – sounds good!
No. You’re meant to say it’s too/not enough something or other.
Ha! Judging by the instagram comments it should also be a carbon fattie with sliding boost dropouts
what size are the two frames in the pics, the orange and the black one?
If youre not doing raw, I guess it's got to be black
Alas, not single speed or hub gear capable.
RIGHT.
UPDATE:: IT IS ACTUALLY LIVE
Price is £250.
URL is:- https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FROOSC29V3
And code PREORDER100 will knock £100 off that, and it'll be valid for two weeks.
Comes with rear axle, nothing else, and I can't find the right headset on the website and I've got to go pick the kids up from their mums.
Any details of geometry and sizing please?
@brant are the bootzipper 29 coming in the same shipment as the Scandals?
No
Are there any full builds in the pipeline before I hit the buy button?
I've kinda got all the bits I need, but but the time I've either bought forks or settled wkth 100mm ones I have, adapted hubs, settled for whatever 'narrow' rims I've got spare and ended up with a dog's dinner build. I'm tempted to get a full bike....
And it's probably been asked, 27.5 clearance? Not a deal breaker but if I'm building new wheels they might be b+ and keep the narrow 29er ones as spares. But if not I'll use that budget for a new form or wider 29" wheels.
As above, before I hit the buy button...will it run 27.5+ as well as 29? Quite keen on having a light weight xc wheelset and chubby trail set.
As above, before I hit the buy button…will it run 27.5+ as well as 29? Quite keen on having a light weight xc wheelset and chubby trail set.
It has not been checked with B+ as I didn't have a decent set of wheels around to check. But...
Chainstays widen internally to around 90mm, which will give decent clearance for up to 3.0in B+ tyres. Dimensional clearance for 29in is 80mm at 364.5m to match the shoulder clearance.
Thanks Brant, so we are looking at October delivery? Any chance of that being moved further back!? Happy to click BIN, just want to make sure it will be October
Thanks Brant, so we are looking at October delivery? Any chance of that being moved further back!? Happy to click BIN, just want to make sure it will be October
Of course there is always chance of it being moved back.
We are planning for mid October but boats sink and who knows what else.
Is there enough room to get a 31.6 dropper in the 30.9 seat tube?
Is there enough room to get a 31.6 dropper in the 30.9 seat tube?
😐
These look great.. And at £150!!!
Good work On-One I'd say (and Brant for putting up with everyone requesting the moon on a stick)..
Talking of sticks and moons, any chance of a raw/brushed version? 😉
Anyone spotted any good fork deals for them? Must be something better value than ~£450 Pikes.
Thanks for the discount code brant!
Before I hit BIN do you have any idea on the weight of the frame? It says tbc on the website. Thanks
That burnt orange - has the colour not been captured very well in that photo? It looks more like a 1970s dull orange, but slightly brighter in the other photo.
Will it come with the cable-routing grommets, or will they at least be orderable?
Finally! Is that an open hole on the inside of the chaninstay near the BB?
I think the hole is a cutout in the chainstay plate, not a cable exit hole, I assume to save grams.
Ah yes - like the old Ragleys?!
You get a better idea on their blog post: https://www.planetx.co.uk/news/products/q/date/2019/08/28/scandal-on-the-trails
Dammit there were some £299 (and another 10% and £10 etc) 120mm SID RL on crc at lunchtime, but no description so i waited till i got home for some proppper googling to check it wasnt some oem sfuff.
They've since gone upto £429.
Spite. And the latest strike in the Torque Wrench price war.
That burnt orange – has the colour not been captured very well in that photo? It looks more like a 1970s dull orange,
Assuming the background of the orange and black frames is in fact the same, one of the photos has clearly shifted colour balance or exposure. The floor changes from a darkish green to blue ish. So I'm guessing the orange is off too
They’ve since gone upto £429.
Maybe CRC is the latest in the long line of e commerce sites that show different prices based on the device and type of IP used to view the site.
Am I correct in remembering that the scandal and the big dog will have essentially the same Geo?
Am I correct in remembering that the scandal and the big dog will have essentially the same Geo?
Essentially.
Maybe CRC is the latest in the long line of e commerce sites that show different prices based on the device and type of IP used to view the site.
Our pricing depends on what mood we're in.
Why not set up a simple derivative based purchasing method, whereby customers can purchase the right to buy at a particular price in the future should they choose to do so
Then such rights could go on sale too, or be bought and sold 2nd hand.
Then you could buy rights to buy rights to buy and so on.
Then people will forget what it was they were buying the right to buy in the first place and you'll be able to stop making frames altogether and just sit back and become billionaires.
It's what capitalism is all about.
Thanks Brant.... ordered... cant wait!
Cheers. They are flying out. We have a lot ordered but at this rate they will all be gone inside two weeks.
is it possible to remove the on one logo? 🙂
looks grand that frame though!
Why not set up a simple derivative based purchasing method, whereby customers can purchase the right to buy at a particular price in the future should they choose to do so
Then such rights could go on sale too, or be bought and sold 2nd hand.
Then you could buy rights to buy rights to buy and so on.
Then people will forget what it was they were buying the right to buy in the first place and you’ll be able to stop making frames altogether and just sit back and become billionaires.
And don't tell me, once you've set up this derivative marketplace, spent years building out the infrastructure to facilitate ever-easier trading, co-authored many papers on novel new machine learning algorithms to spot and exploit imbalances in the market, and so on...
You can of course retire!
And go do whatever you want with your hard-earned billions. Indulge your hobbies. Maybe set up a little frame-building thing in the shed, you know, just small scale, knock out a few steel frames for simple bikes for riding on sort of thing.
35 quid postage to me here in Sweden! Brexit spite?
One large burnt orange ordered.
Scandal V2 is one of the few frames I wish i'd kept, hope I enjoy this one as much.
Cheers. They are flying out. We have a lot ordered but at this rate they will all be gone inside two weeks.
The power of STW I guess 🙂 .. oh and instagram
One XL black frame ordered before they sell out.
I don't even want one but now I've got FOMO on a bargain so will get one ordered.
Shame superstar have sold all their £75 stock of decent width boost wheel sets.
Oof. And I thought these were good value.
https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPFULREDZONE70029BS/fulcrum-red-zone-700-29-tr-afs-boost-wheelset
Got a black xl ordered too
How hard is it to convert a 142 x 12 rear wheel to Boost? Any recommended kits that have worked Well?
They still have some left in 21mm 29er or 23mm 27.5
https://www.superstarcomponents.com/en/essential-wheels-clearance-boost-15148mm.htm
Theres a code somewhere to take them to £75
I missed the 27mm but got some 25mm a month or two ago.
How hard is it to convert a 142 x 12 rear wheel to Boost? Any recommended kits that have worked Well?
Ebay sellers have a kit with 2 axle spacers and a disc spacer.
Only faff is when you remove/refit the wheel as the spacers will fall out and roll under the fridge / in the undergrowth. Cassette will end up 3 mm inboard, not usually a problem.
Hope have a kit for their hubs which puts the cassette in the correct place, but you have to re-dish the wheel.
Tomcrow99 - I use this and it works perfectly. Panic over
Great stuff, thanks!
Ordered. On the lookout for a set of decent 29" boost forks now
Brant, before I order, can you confirm this:
Will it come with the cable-routing grommets, or will they at least be orderable?
My last Titus frame didn't come with any and I ended up having to use Sugru, which isn't ideal.
35 quid postage to me here in Sweden! Brexit spite?
Did you at least get the VAT back?
What size is the frame in the first post?
Ordered, med, black. Damn it. What size headtube are we looking at please Brant?
100mm. Geometry chart on last page; nice to see an XL frame with a proper length head tube on it, I'd buy one if I had some money!
What's the view on sizing for 5ft 10? Go with a large and shorter stem?
Or will medium be more fun to mess about with as slightly smaller?
I'd round up, its longer than past on ones but its not as long as say Bird, Starling etc so i dont think youd find it too long.
Being picky Id question why the XL needs a 20" seatube (2" taller but only an inch longer). I can squeeze onto a 20" frame with a 150mm dropper, but its close and Im 'only' 5ft11-6ft. So im umming and ahhing between l and xl.
Might be time to sell a kidney, or actually a bike. Time to get rid of the fixed gear road bike as its not been used for 3 years.
@brant, any chance of shiney colours coming too. Likes my bling... although the orange could be quite cool...
What size headtube are we looking at please Brant?
Says 100mm for medium on geo table
What’s the view on sizing for 5ft 10?
Medium id say. 5'8.5" here and, given the reach/eTT lengths im considering small or medium! Currently have a 16" Scandal V2 29er and i think that was a mere 585mm eTT compared to 601mm on the new small Scandal. Sizing down has the benefit of running longer length dropper too
Brant, Brant, Brant I'd like to throw some money towards the steel frame, are you going to do the pre-order for the Big Dog and Bootzippa any time soon please?
Medium id say. 5’8.5″ here and, given the reach/eTT lengths im considering small or medium! Currently have a 16″ Scandal V2 29er and i think that was a mere 585mm eTT compared to 601mm on the new small Scandal.
Bear in mind the old one was designed arround a 90-110mm stem, this ones probably intended for a 40mm? So you want about that added on the reach.
Hi Brandt, could you tell me if the 74.5 degree angle is the actual seat tube angle in XL size ? Sound weird because smaller sizes are 73, may be because of the bent seat tube ?
Makes sense. The taller people buying XL frames often have to have a lot of post sticking out, pushing the saddle way (too far) back. Inline seat posts help but a steeper seat tube is better.
Any details on headsets? I was going to add a load of stuff like that to the order to make the most of paying the postage.
Also, seat collar?
Presume its the same integrated one as the parkwood/fatty trail/carbon 1.5" tapered frames? Fsa no.42 or whatever it was called.
montgomery, i would say the opposite: longer legs means need for longer distance from BB. For my 92cm legs, 72.5° seat angle is perfect. With a 74.5° ST angle, I would need 40 mm setback.
However, on the scandal, the seat tube is bent ... so there is a difference between actual and effective STA. And my usual software to check the geometry is not working anymore ... plus, it appears that the effective STA could be measured in different ways.
It would be nice if Brant made this point clear.
PS: english is not my mother tongue, sorry for that!
"Bear in mind the old one was designed arround a 90-110mm stem, this ones probably intended for a 40mm? So you want about that added on the reach."
Yeah, I was thinking of moving my 35mm stem off my stanton
Seat angle is effective unsagged angle measured at 800mm from bb centre on all frame sizes.
This keeps the rider fore-aft COG in a similar place as taller riders riding a larger frame will have a steeper seat angle, though the longer post extension and seat tube height will give similar setback.
I could have done the same by making the chainstays longer on the larger bikes but didn’t as I don’t like doing that.
Seat angle will increase about 1deg under sag.
Seat angle is not as steep as some current suspension frames as the bike does not sag backward into rear shock travel as it climbs, and also as I measure it at 800mm (sensible) not “headset” or “stack” height which is stupid.
(Edit: crossed post)
Headset and seat collar size?
My current XL frame at Hebden Bridge station last week - inline seatpost, saddle pretty much all the way forward. I'll probably shift the wheel back within the dropouts next time I strip it down but, even so, steeper seat tube angles sound good to me...
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