[Closed] The Mullet.... Whyte G-170 testing.

think you'd need to lower the travel on the fork to compensate for the increase height of the front end due to the bigger wheel.

I was also thinking the A>C would be even greater on a 29er fork too, as i guess they sit even a little bit higher at the crown. ?

Does the G-170 have a flip chip? Most mullet-able bikes suggest running in the 'high' mode (i think?!)

Also, i must have missed it... what happened to the Status purchase?

You're not noticing the difference that bigger wheels bring.
You're noticing a jacking up of the front which has also raised your BB and slackened your seat angle.

Yeah a proper 29er fork in Rockshox is about 20mm longer for the equivalent travel. So unless there’s a flip chip that can increase the bb height quite a bit you’d have to decrease the front travel to make it feel less like a chopper.

Is the g170 meant to be mulletable? I know they made it in 29er but was that the same frame relying on a flip chip or a totally different frame?

When I was looking at doing similar on on the Aether 7 I worked out a 130mm 29er fork up front with a 27.5” wheel basically corrected for the longer a2c. Putting in a 29er wheel would jack the front up by the extra size of the wheel / tyre from the middle of the wheel to the ground. I reckon it might have been ok with that - but your bike is 170mm travel at both ends I think?

indeed Stu, i don't have a 29er rear in 148 to test.... but i don't think it's going to be for me anyway.

Also, i must have missed it… what happened to the Status purchase?

Basically, i cancelled it as i felt it was more 'Bird Aether' than i wanted, i read the 26 page review soemoene found on mtbr.com and it made me think "this is a mistake" so i cancelled the purchase.

No flip chip on my 2018. I did this a couple of years back, 160mm 29er forks, and scrounged a cheap S150 wheel from Whyte to keep it looking stock. It rides…superbly actually, very quick indeed.

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Is the g170 meant to be mulletable? I know they made it in 29er but was that the same frame relying on a flip chip or a totally different frame?

From what i can tell from the pics and info, i THINK it's the exact same frame. I've certainly got tonnes of clearance on the back end of mine, would effortlessly fit a 29.

So mulletable, maybe not so much, full 29er... sure.

A 29er in the rear would give you a very high BB.
Which would also feel shit.
If you want to mess about with different wheel sizes buy a bike that has the ability to adjust it accordingly.

interesting Timbog.... i'd need to loan a wheel off a mate to give that a try as i've only got QR 29er wheels. I don't really want to spend money to experiment. But i'm still thinking 27.5 is more me.

I thought that most bikes that have been mulleted have been 29ers that have gone down a wheel size for what ever reason.

We run the Turbo Levos in both 29er and 650b+ It wouldn't be us if we didn't session different stuff on identical bikes.

Swapped out the front wheel on the 650b+ one for the 29er for a run back down Cut Gate to Langsett and it felt a right dog, not much better than the other way round, reverse mullet ?.

One of the things that's stopping me buying a new one is the mullet although I am told you can fit a 29er 2.3 in the back of it, it would be an expensive mistake if you can't.

Saw that the Status fell through, although I did get an email from Specialized yesterday telling me they had them in stock for mail order if you are still after one. Stumpy Evo would have been my pick of the 2.

Worth doing the sums up front, not really a surprise that it didn’t work out. Whacking a 29er on the rear is likely to make it even worse.

Saw that the Status fell through, although I did get an email from Specialized yesterday telling me they had them in stock for mail order if you are still after one.

NAh, i've moved on from the Status...

https://www.blazingbikes.co.uk/index.php/brands/trek/trek-remedy-2021/trek-remedy-9-8-2021-mountain-bike.html

I actually think the Trek Remedy would if anything be the best plan, but that still implies that the bike is the issue and not the rider.... Spending £4500 to find out it's still all me... well that's a big expensive lesson lol.

Although in some ways it's still tempting to pick the Trek up as a 'next bike' for the lad. He'll only get to the end of this year i think with the Sworks you sold us still fitting him.

shame about the status. as mentioned in your other thread, i enjoyed mine, but if its not what you are after.... which then leads to the question... what are you after? Or trying to achieve?

Are you feeling that your bike is the weakest link in your riding? And if so, what is it that its stopping you from achieving? Corner speed? hitting chunk faster? air time?

Are you hoping that an experiment like this will give you more speed/confidence/another trait?

Are you feeling that your bike is the weakest link in your riding? And if so, what is it that its stopping you from achieving? Corner speed? hitting chunk faster? air time?

Are you hoping that an experiment like this will give you more speed/confidence/another trait?

No, i'm not feeling it is.... but i do wonder if a different bike may help, just a bit... but the reality is, to compete more, i need a LOT, not just a bit.

My biggest weakness seems to be corner speed/entry. But how i get past that, i'm still waiting to find out the answer there. I'm better than i was, but still a heck of a way from anything like competetitive in the field.

The experiment was mostly just to 'see' really, whether it was a realistic expectation after the following disucssion on geometry, BBs etc, then probably not.... but i had all the bits in the garage so it was at least worth trying.

I find with my 29er it’s better on steep stuff - partially because it’s got a little more rear travel vs my last bike but mainly because I feel behind the fork rather than on top of it. Maybe it’s because there is more bb drop then my last bike 🤷‍♂️

I don’t think a 29er is going to increase your corner speed particularly. I’ve not really found it any harder to get into a corner than the Aether 7 but I don’t think it’s quicker either. It’s definitely quicker on rough stuff though.

Due to a last minute fork emergency, I ran my vitus escarpe as a mullet at ard rock. Its a 150mm 27.5 frame, so I ran it with 130mm 29er forks and 29er front wheel.

Was nice downhill but horrible on the flat or climbing. I just don't think mulleting a 27.5 frame with a 29er front end works.

What about a -2 slackest to help lower the front? I’m still yet to tide an MTB that wasn’t improved by a slacker headangle.

Is that Tues in the classifieds tempting you yet 😉

LOL i wasn't even aware of it... If the boy goes on to race more DH, then it would yes... but currently it's only 2 races this year on proper DH courses... so no... not much.

The GIGA is nicer.

Giga looks a very nice bike to be fair.

I don’t see what a Remedy gives you over a G170 - it’s a nice bike but still 27.5 - similar travel - not particularly Aggro geometry etc.

Still think if you want something a touch shorter travel but still capable the likes of a Privateer 141 or similar would do a job. I know I’ve got one but the Sentinel fits into that 29er and borderline long travel trail / enduro sort of category too. As does the Ripmo AF.

Lot of money for a small frame only.

If you want to get better at cornering and carrying speed then what you probably need is some coaching. Either 1:1 or with your son.

Although I think we’re back to repeating what’s been said in previous threads.

IM’s book a Friday or Saturday coaching session somewhere (like FOD) and then spend the rest of the weekend pretty much solely working on the techniques they taught you. That would be more beneficial than buying another bike.

Or buy a new bike and then treat yourself to some coaching on it.

We’ve all been there trying to buy our way out of a skills deficiency (be it new bike, fork, tyres, wider bars, etc) but the best way to get the skills is to be taught them and then practice them.

We’ve definitely all said it about coaching before and it’s the main thing that’ll improve cornering tbf.

We’ve definitely all said it about coaching before and it’s the main thing that’ll improve cornering tbf.

I may not have had as much as some, but it's not like i've not had any. i'm certainly not against another session 🙂

I've got an Aeris 145 that I'm tempted to try a mullet on. My hardtail is a 140mm 29er so I could just borrow the front end off it to hopefully preserve the geometry. I need to measuring the height of the fork crown, hopefully they're quite similar.

Drop your stem to the bottom of the steerer, and slide the saddle forwards on the rails. Not much you can do about the BB apart from use your thinnest pedals.

And put a vaguely comparable tyre on the rear, or you'll get the weird feeling that arises from having a draggier rear tyre, especially when cornering

Trouble is with 29er front end on a 27.5 bike is you've got about 40mm you've got to compensate for, approx 20mm axle to crown for same travel forks and about 19mm lift from the 29 versus 27.5 wheel, that's going to be a good 2 degrees off the ha and sa as well as a good 25mm increase in bb height.

Atleasy if you're mulleting a 29er bike, you've just got to compensate for the difference in wheel size, about 19mm, about 16mm on the bb height, most flip chips deal with a good chance of that

I've way moved on.... and ordered a new front in a 27.5 from Evans so i can run a faster set of rubber and a burlier set of rubber...

But thanks for all the thoughts... it's not for me though.

I’ve way moved on

No offence but i think this is what's holding you back from progressing.
You seem to think that you can somehow change a part of your bike/ do a skills course and somehow you'll be a better rider instantly.

Just take a step back, relax and stop trying to "get faster"
Dial it back to basics. Re learn how to actually ride a bike, carve a corner, relax and enjoy making it feel nice and flowy.
It's not about the kit or how many courses you've been on. It's about enjoying it and accepting that some people are better than others at riding bikes.

If you're progressing that's great if not so what? As long as you're enjoying riding it doesn't matter.
End of the day it's just pissing about on bikes for shits and giggles.

If you’re progressing that’s great if not so what? As long as you’re enjoying riding it doesn’t matter.
End of the day it’s just pissing about on bikes for shits and giggles.

Not once have you seen me say anything other than exactly this.

I'm living the dream, racing with my son. It's all gravy

Not once have you seen me say anything other than exactly this.

I have seen the constant threads about getting faster/can I buy speed/I'm testing this though.

Seems a bit at odds with living the dream.
Just enjoy your lads progression and ride your bike like no one notices' because you like the rest of us no one does notice.

Yeah, I'm a terrible person talking about bikes all the time on a bike forum.