[Closed] The Ideal Commuter?

If you can do fixed I would. I found it great to just jump on and no distractions, no option to drop gears you just get on with it and its over before you know it, and enjoying the connection with the bike. Found it really easy to get used to and even with a steep hill in the middle it was no problem.

Perfect bike? a fixed with full guards and dynamo lights and a saddle bag to carry your stuff 😀 (rucksacks suck)

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same as stato.......but with gears. 😀

I got a Genesis Croix de Fer for a slightly shorter commute (21Km) which is a mixture of road and canal tow path. It's quite a bit heavier than my road bike - 12Kg vs 8Kg but I don't think a carbon road bike would be too happy on the tow path day after day so that's not really a problem. You can fit full mudguards to it which for commuting is essential. Has TRP Spyre disk brakes which are fine.

I also use it as my winter road bike and have done 100 miles on it so it's not that much of a restriction.

I have an Ortlieb 4 litre saddle bag to carry my commuting kit: there's a mount that attaches to the saddle rails and you just clip/unclip the bag.

For London, I much prefered flat bar, prefereably with discs (and a dynamo), with backpack unless i was carrying lots.

STATO - Member
If you can do fixed I would. I found it great to just jump on and no distractions, no option to drop gears you just get on with it and its over before you know it, and enjoying the connection with the bike. Found it really easy to get used to and even with a steep hill in the middle it was no problem.

I've never understood the attraction/advantage of fixed over singlespeed. I get the simplicity of singlespeed, and enjoy the "just get on with it" mentality that it drives - but fixed just seems unecessary to me.

I always rode singlespeed in London - too many traffic lights and junctions for a geared bike - constantly changing up and down gears was a right pain. Singlespeed means you can keep focussed on the road and all the various hazards too, rather than spending any mental resources thinking about best gear to be in.
Also, much less to go wrong on a singlespeed and getting home from work and having to fix gears so I can ride in again tomorrow is not ideal.
I guess if you're riding to Orpington you're avoiding the supersteep hills around Chislehurst if you're riding fixed!

I first commuted in March to October in 2003 and 2004 and then more seriously all year round since 2009 to date.

I've done about 6,000 to 9,000 London commuting km's a year since 2009 depending on how I'm feeling/what the general weather is like.

What's the perfect commuter? for me it's a bike that is reliable, fast and maintenance free.

I've used:

Bianchi Via Nirone - nice and fast but very stiff Alu frame makes it uncomfortable on those potholes. the Campy gruppo is pretty unreliable too. I've broken four right-hand shifters on the commute over the years. Rim brakes make it scary in the wet. Never fitted mudguards to it so try to avoid the rain anyway

Specialized Allez Comp alu frame - just as fast as the Bianchi but much more comfortable with the zertz inserts in the forks and seatstays. I really like this bike but it's perhaps a bit small for me. Only broken one right hand shifter on this during that time. Rim brakes again can be troublesome when it rains. Fitted Crud roadracer 2's to it for year round commuting.

Trek 1200 converted to singlespeed - not as fast as the two above (I can't spin my legs fast enough on a 50:18 gearing) but the frame is comfortable enough for alu and singlespeed makes it much easier to clean and maintain. you guessed it, rim brakes again. Again, fitted Crud roadracer 2's to it for year round commuting.

dialled bikes Prince albert - steel with 700c wheels - only used this a couple of times when the other bikes were out of order. Very comfortable i.e. steel plus 140mm revelations up front plus the disc brakes offer unrivalled stopping power in the wet but the MTB gearing and upright positioning made it painfully slow.

Raleigh steel framed road bike circa mid-1980's - this was my first commuter bike in 2003/2004 and really got me into road riding. Steel frame and forks were comfy enough although the non-indexed gears with shifters on the down tube were painful. Gears never worked well and i ended up being either in top gear or bottom gear with no in between and I blame this for developing my low cadence.

so to summarise, dropped bars, decent gearing, comfort and room for mudguards are probably my priorities

EDIT: Oh and of course puncture proof tyres. All the above is pointless if you spend all your time at the side of the road.

Conti Gatorskins all the way for me

I'd say a rack was fairly key for a commuter. Don't get the point in carrying a rucksack everyday

With a rack I can put another bag on to take my laptop in and out. I can open my rack packs side pockets to create panniers to do the shopping on the way home from work

Mine is an adventure bike with marathon plus tyres, full guards, hydro brakes and good lights. Dynamo would be a good upgrade but I'm fine with charging them every now and then. Mainly used on the road but it does the odd track too

I got a Genesys Equlibrium disc on the bike to work thing last May. It's been ideal for commuting in from Hampton Court to the city. Burly wheels, fixing points for muddys and panniers, discs so no rim wear, decent tiagra 10 speed set up. I've been happy with it and it's significantly more comfy that my Allez if a little heavier. I'm 17 stone and it's been bomb proof even over London's less than stellar roads.
Worth a look?

I commute on a fixed Look Pista / track bike and tend to average about 14 miles per day. After destroying wheels and components over the years through running them throughout winter I'm loving the low-maintenance life now. Also, fixed makes you much stronger... I'd say if you can hack it then keep on doing it. I always use a rucksack too as never have much to carry – panniers would be overkill.

[quote="STATO"]Perfect bike? a fixed with full guards and dynamo lights and a saddle bag to carry your stuff
Which is *precisely* what every keen cyclist used for commuting in the sixties/seventies and my Dad stuck with pretty much all the way until he retired about ten years ago !

FWIW, the "advantage" (if you want to call it one) of fixed vs. SS is that it's good for improving your spinning technique as you can't just freewheel down the hills. It forces you to learn to pedal fast & smooth.

I've done a similar commute in terms of profile into London for a few years and tried various bikes. For a couple of years it's been on a fixed gear bike and whilst it's great fun I fear it has messed a bit with my ability to ride my road bike. i.e. I don't think spinning at 110 rpm on the flats and grinding up the hills at 60rpm is very good training for the road riding I'm doing so I am returning to my old road bike. I'll keep the fixed though for when the mood takes me.

So I N R A T S summary - have a selection of bikes you can choose from, as you do now.

Mine, obviously! I'd say singlespeed or alfine 8, dynamo is great, mudguards and a rack. I use a steel mtb frame and fork (surly troll) which all works out heavy but rides fast (light rims) and it's a practical bike, so weight is not such an issue anyway. It needs to be robust! 🙂

im going the otherway .

ive had hub gears for the last 8 years or so ... going back to cheap claris drive train that is easy to replace.

thge rohloff was trouble free but both the alfines needed more attention than regular mechs.

For my circumstances, a 40 mile each way commute done 3 times per week, with showers on site and ultra secure storage at work, my perfect commuter would be a fast road bike with disk brakes and Di2. It's have space for proper guards and I guess rack mounts even though they'd very rarely get used. It'd have fast tyres that prioritise grip over wear rate and puncture resistance, likely a Open Pave or such like.

Drop that to 10 miles though and it'd be a completely different beast, likely fixed but still drop barred and fast.

Did into london on a fixed for a few years, then moved out with work. Now commuting back in on a geared triban 3 with a carradice saddle bag and longblade guards. Toying with getting a fixed (or getting the track bike out of the loft)but probably won't bother. Bike is ok weight wise and quite comfotable. Bottom of the range shimano gears have been fine for commuting over the last few years

but fixed just seems unecessary to me.

My longest serving commuter was a pompino and I loved it was fine for road riding too, had it for a good few years. Tried SS CX when I switched to offroad commute and that was spot of for my chosen commute but as I found I was using it for "proper" riding aswell I went geared, (sscx is too much of a compromise imo, road or mtb ss I enjoy, cx just has too much variation) thought of going back to ss for winter but didn't bother.
the old pompy...
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what is Ideal one day isn't necessarily Ideal the next, and what is Ideal for me isn't necessarily Ideal for you, whihc basically means the Ideal commuter is one big pile of compromises.

Stiff enough to be efficient
Flexy enough to be comfortable
Light enough not to be a chore
Heavy enough to be robust and resilient
Simple like a SS/Fixed but with enough gears for when you're tired or carrying a load
mudguards for bad weather, but sturdy enough not to flap or break when bashed
tyres that are, fast, light, grippy, comfortable, long lasting, puncture proof, and cheap to replace 😯
racks for when you need to carry a load
lighting that works well in the city and in the lanes

and above all you need to like it, because if you're using it every day you're going to spend as much, or more time on it than your 'nice' bike so you might as well enjoy it

Have been through commuting on MTB, Road bike, SS etc. all ended up having one compromise too many for varied daily use and so I've ended up
with a modern steel tourer, discs, racks at both ends, 3x9, decent tyres etc.

But I sometimes still swap to the SS or my winter road bike if I know I'm not going to need any luggage capacity.

FWIW, the "advantage" (if you want to call it one) of fixed vs. SS is that it's good for improving your spinning technique as you can't just freewheel down the hills. It forces you to learn to pedal fast & smooth.

Yeah that can happen, not to me tho it seems. I have a steep fast hill each way and have learnt to spin fast, but climbing the other side gave me a lot more leg strength, so my powered pedalling is probably even more peaky than it was before, application is probably smoother tho.

D0NK - Member
you're removing the weight and complexity of the freewheel (neither of them massive but they're still there) presumably you'll also get less brake wear when scrunning off a little speed (skid stops would obviously increase tyre wear)
Not for me tho, had a quick go at fixed, didn't interest me for doing in my own time and there was no way I was going to learn to ride fixed while commuting in traffic.

Firstly, kudos on the pompano, lovely bikes. I had one and that was my introduction to singlespeed road/cx, singlespeed is good but now ive gone fixed id not go back for the road (cx yes). You always seem to end up just on the border of slightly too fast to pedal comfortably but when coasting you end up slowing down, so you get that spin-coast-spin-coast which just knacks my legs and is a pretty crap experience day in day out. With fixed you just end up going at the speed that's comfortable, so either the gradient carries you along turning your legs for no effort, or your legs slow you down a little to the point you reach a nice equilibrium where a tiny amount of effort attains a comfortable and constant spin speed.

I too was worried about traffic but have had very very few moments where I forget, even then you don't get chucked just bumped off the saddle an inch. Even riding close formation in a club run was no problem, obviously I hung out off the back at first, then realised I was more in control then most of the guys who were always at the back anyway ;0)

I do a similar distance to the OP (20 miles each way) and similar climbing, not in London though.

This sums it up for me

dropped bars, decent gearing, comfort and room for mudguards, puncture proof tyres, Conti Gatorskins all the way for me

And if you need to carry kit every day then a rack would be a must really. If I'm doing every day I carry a rucksack in one morning then take it home midweek. I generally drive in once a week though and do clothes and towel change over then.

I wouldn't fancy fixed as I usually ride into a headwind, sometimes brutal, and not being able to shift into an easy gear would drive me nuts.

I pretty much built my dream all weather workhorse commuter 18 months back, about 3 months before my office got moved and I had to stop riding to work 🙁

Genesis CDF Stainless 931
Compact 105 with an 11-32 rear cassette for off road/trailer pulling duties.
Avid BB7 SL disc brakes
Thomson/Salsa Finishing kit
SKS P45 Chromoplastics
32c Conti Gatorskin Hardshells
DT 350 hubs

The only thing I've changed is the rims which weren't really tough enough and didn't appreciate the pot holes, running DT RR511's now, which have been bombproof so far.

benp1 - Member

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Mine is an adventure bike

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One of my commuting buddies has just bought one of these (commuting buddy in that I met him and only ever see him thru commuting. Know his first name - Chris - and where he joins/turns off my commute but nothing else about him)

He's still building it up and was saying that the rack on the front was a curious arrangement in terms of how it fits onto the axle.

Any comments/tips/Heath Robinson type fixes that work that I can mention to him next time I see him?

and what is Ideal for me isn't necessarily Ideal for you

I think this is a really good point. Also people fail to mention that where you store it at work can make a huge difference, if it is going to be outside in all weathers, then no point getting anything nice. However, if you can store it somewhere secure and dry, then using a expensive bike is perfectly doable.

Me I'd love a Trek Boone or a Ridley X-Trail.

people fail to mention that where you store it at work

My commute is 15 miles each way, 300ft to work 1000ft home.

I would say a singlespeed is totally out for me, too much climbing to be stuck in that gear and too much downhill on the way to work.

Im currently rising a spesh allez on 25c tyres. What i'd change..

Something that can take about a 32c and guards.
Not bothered with rack mounts as i leave stuff in work and take a rucksack if i need to carry anything in.
Disc brakes 100%. Weighing 100kg and riding in rush hour on some fast sections can be frightening.
Something light and flexible but not too much to not be fragile and with a relaxed geo.
Compact with 11-32 would be perfect round here (south wales) if i want to take the long way home.

OP

It would be easy to stay with a nice fixed/SS, as you have the same predictable commute.
If you haven't already, you could play about with gearing (Winter-Summer) to fine tune the ride. I don't like panniers or saddle bags, so I use a rucksack most of the time as I don't carry very much.
A set of well fitted full mudguards, with rubber mounts( I made my own) helps the silence.
Integrated lights would be nice.
Now I know this is heresy, but I have also filled the tubes on my commuter with Stans , as I find the tiny, slow punctures the most annoying at this time of the year.

Can you twist Sam's arm and get him to do a new Kite with an EBB? You could run it fixed and then if it annoys you switch over to gears. I seem to recall a post from him somewhere saying that if he could only have one bike.....

Or a Shand Stoater?

Whichever it is assuming you have secure storage at work I'd have a Son dynamo front and rear light.

Thanks for all the replies chaps, all valid and some fair questions

We have some fancy-dan storage place at work with its own showers, accessed by security card and lots of cameras/security guards so I can go as posh as I like from that perspective. And I do enjoy riding fixed, as said above the simplicity and not having to fettle/clean gears every night is an obvious bonus. I do wonder if it'll bugger me up for road racing as its quite a different style (I now always climb hills out the saddle) and as I said, by tonight (Thursday) I'm usually hanging and tomorrow will be no fun.

The bike I'm riding is an Alloy track frame with quite a brutal position (large saddle to bar drop) but I quite like it from a handling point of view. I don't think I could bring myself to ride on 32's as they'd just feel too draggy - I'm on 25mm at the moment which feels about right between comfort and speed.

Maybe the solution is as FastHaggis up there said and play with the gearing. i'm currently on 48/16 which for the hills up to Orpington can be a bit brutal. And yes, I've done the Chislehurst route...once!

Fettle and clean gears every night! Once or twice a year if my road/commute/do it all bike is lucky.
That sounds like an excuse to ride fixed rather than a reason.

Once or twice a year if my road/commute/do it all bike is lucky.

I think in part its because I can't stand badly set up gears - hence the desire to ride fixed. I certainly wash them all on a weekly basis, just makes stuff last longer if you do.

if you have to fettle your gears every night id suggest they are not being set up correctly in the first place....

I do wonder if it'll bugger me up for road racing as its quite a different style

snap. I'm dipping my toe in crits and commuting 100 miles a week on one gear can't be complimentary to that.

The bike I'm riding is an Alloy track frame with quite a brutal position (large saddle to bar drop) but I quite like it from a handling point of view. I don't think I could bring myself to ride on 32's as they'd just feel too draggy - I'm on 25mm at the moment which feels about right between comfort and speed.

Maybe the solution is as FastHaggis up there said and play with the gearing. i'm currently on 48/16 which for the hills up to Orpington can be a bit brutal. And yes, I've done the Chislehurst route...once!

No wonder your standing to climb with 48/16! 48/18 (42/16) is more common for a road fixed, I went down to a 42/17 as it gives me a good easy cadence at 16mph which is my average on a casual commute. I run 28 GP4seasons, so quick and puncture proof, I tried 32 but running them the right pressure for comfort was not conducive to stood-up, leant forward fixed climbing as the move of weight to the front meant you were practically bottoming out the tyre, not to mention the horrible feel.

The old Revolution Courier Race was awesome. 8x1 with inexpensive-but-longlived stuff on it, nice drab paint to deter magpies... Perfect. My Boardman's a great spec and really practical commuter but it's too [i]pretty.[/i]

The commuter I reach for most often is my fixed road bike. It's a pimped Paddy Wagon with full carbon fork, handmade wheels, carbon seatpost and mudguards, of course. I've just fitted a Tubus minimal rack for my QL3 Ortlieb and this makes it a great solution for commuting, but doesn't compromise the roadiness.

The bike weighs a nice and light sub nine kilos, handles like any other steel road bike and is generally a joy. Running deep drop Shimano R650's on Open Pros, I can lock the wheels in the wet.

Gear selection is a long 42x14.

I'd say that a fixed wheel road bike is a perfect solution for a reasonably flat commute, where a change of clothing is necessary. For shorter distances and lesser efforts, a decent heavy Pashley or Elefant bike would be my first choice.

EDIT: Just read flange you are on 48x16, which is the same gear. that will be too big for decent hills. I know because I take mine over a few on club runs. 48x16 is geared for 20 mph at 90 rpm. If that is what you average then all good. I used to ride 42x15 which will get you over the hills more easily, but I spun out on my club rides.

Headwinds are always hard.

STATO that bike is absolutely spot on.

I'm struggling to criticise your garden too, though I'd probably have gone for white railings.

I'd say a rack was fairly key for a commuter. Don't get the point in carrying a rucksack everyday

With a rack I can put another bag on to take my laptop in and out. I can open my rack packs side pockets to create panniers to do the shopping on the way home from work

Depends on your commute though.

Racks/panniers are great for long distances with few stops, they're an utter PITA if you have to run errands on the way and take them off to carry each time.

Rusty Spanner - Member

STATO that bike is absolutely spot on.

I'm struggling to criticise your garden too, though I'd probably have gone for white railings.

Thanks

[doesn't mention the garden(s) are the miners cottages down the street, pensioners get more time to garden then me]

I nominate my [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/custom-ti-frame-thoughts ]TiCom[/url] 🙂

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Di2 hub gears
Dynamo lighting
Belt drive
Mudguards
Disc brakes

Cheers, Rich

STATO, TiRed - appreciated. I did think I was a little overgeared. Its actually 19.8 at 90rpm (the joys of Garmin!) which I sit at for maybe 50% of my ride. The rest is either spinning my nuts off at 26mph, or blowing my knees up at 12mph!

Maybe a smaller front ring is in order (I've already got a 15t rear).

Post a picture up of your Paddy Wagon TiRed? I never get bored of looking at that!

Thinking about it,
My commute is fastish, dark, some lanes, mostly A and B roads, terrible surfaces.

A light, comfy Audax type bike, discs, big tyres,rack and guards, dynamo, silly reflective tape etc would be perfect.
Secure storage so sod the cost, this is perfection.
So a Rohloff too.

And one of Muddydwarf's blue jumpers, THE most visible top I've ever seen.

Just got a Charge Grater 3. Alfine hub, guards, hydraulic discs. Rides very nicely and all for 800 quid (or less).

turboferret the only thing missing is the basket on the front to put the guard dog in you're going to need to stop [s]someone[/s] me nicking it 🙂

That really is very nice, I'd be late for work everyday if I owned that.

My hybrid is a Kone Dew from about 2007. It does usually 5 miles then a train trip then 5 London miles, then in the week it could be 5 miles each way. I clean the chain about once a year, and despite being Alivio kit it continues to work. Still original too. The maintenance benefits of single speed are overstated IMO. However you would undoubted ly get more miles out of a chain. I use gears because it came with gears and I often carry heavy load.

Post a picture up of your Paddy Wagon TiRed? I never get bored of looking at that!

I'll post one tomorrow with the new rack and briefcase on it. No dynamo on mine as I am happy with the Exposure lights.

I found that 42x16 is too low, 42x15 just right and 42x14 is challenging. I'm stronger than I was a year ago, so have been able to ride into the headwinds on 42x14. It's not really very pleasant though. I'd say 42x15 is a better gear for the experienced fixed wheel rider over reasonable terrain. It will be my Audax gear.

Coincidently, I'm considering a custom steel frame to replace the PW.

My ideal commuter would be something that had full mudguards, pannier rack on back, singlespeed, dynamo front hub and built-in light, built-in lock, bombproof wheels and cable disc brakes.

When bike commuting, I've found that i spend more time doing things like...

- Changing into suitable bike clothing
- unlocking the bike
- attaching the lights
- attaching the pannier bags
- locking the bike
- removing the lights and bags
- Changing into work clothing

...and it takes more time than it should. Effectively it was quicker to commute 8km by car through traffic than by bike. Just because of the fuss. I think that a good commuter should help cut down the time needed on that list.

Cheer TiRed, I'll drop down a couple of teeth on the front and see how I get on.

I know what I should get is a comfy steel frame with rack and guard mounts - what I want is something fast that looks cool. Where are you looking at for the custom frame?

Turboferret - that's lovely, one bike to rule them all. If I could face going through the grief I'd have one but man alive it looked like some effort to get it!

I think that a good commuter should help cut down the time needed on that list.

That's why I want dynamo lights - cos they're fixed on. Also an advantage of having a rucksack (there are disadvantages too of course) cos you can just walk into the office.

It also helps to have your lock on your bike, so you can deploy it without having to take off your rucksack and fish it out.

24 mile daily round trip... Mix of forest, B Road and canal path. 4000 miles down and she just keeps going.

Almost perfect bike for the job (genesis croix de fer 30 pretty much stock but with full guards and 40c marathon supremes which are absolutely amazing) :

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When bike commuting, I've found that i spend more time doing things like...
- Changing into suitable bike clothing
- unlocking the bike
- attaching the lights
- attaching the pannier bags
- locking the bike
- removing the lights and bags
- Changing into work clothing
...and it takes more time than it should. Effectively it was quicker to commute 8km by car through traffic than by bike. Just because of the fuss. I think that a good commuter should help cut down the time needed on that list.

^^ This is a good point actually...

Associated faff adds significant time to my commuting... Anything that helps reduce it is a benefit, being able to quickly fit bags to racks, having stuff already on the bike if possible or by the door ready to go is a major time saving I find.

I'm not sure if the "ideal" bike exists but I am still fond of my fixie after three years, it's a heavy, functional, workhorse and suits my relatively flat 16 mile commute...

I will admit fanciful ideas like a freewheel, discs and/or drum brakes, a couple of additional gears and maybe a weight reduction have had me idly looking at alternatives lately...

But then it still brings a smile to my face to ride, takes very little money or time to maintain and saves my other bikes the wear and tear of regular daily use, much more complexity might upset those benefits so I will probably not change much any time soon...

If you are fixed or SS though it allows you to use a full chainguard which would be a big step towards maintenance free cycling.

Rack
Mudguards
Disc brakes
Bomb-proof wheels and tyres
Dynamo hub
Non ferrous frame

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Singlespeed for me most of the time... Less to go wrong. 3000 miles later it doesn't look as shiny as this picture....

Cannondale one fg my ideal commuter. Single speed better than the fixed for London traffic as although I love my fixed its harder weaving into really tight gaps with the fixed. Disc brakes are great for winter and crappy weather. Full mudguards for same and a rack because the courier bag with lock, laptop and clothes was getting ridiculously heavy and really not good for the back. Really fat slick tires run at high pressure for speed but better pothole toughness than the road bike. I've ridden loads of bikes for the commute over last 25 years but this is the most practical if not the most exciting...although it does handle and track stand really nice thanks to slack head angles. Super low maintenance and nice and light.

A lot depends on distance and type of roads. I don't like drop bars for riding in stop start traffic/lots of lights (which was my 9 mile zone 2 commute) - flat bars much better.

Light weight never bothered me. I tried single speed a few times (a few months each) but always hated it. Hub gears for the win. Dynamo on my Brompton is great - would put one on the next large wheel bike.

I really like the look of the Canyon Commuter (though the one piece stem/bar/light is a bit of a risk for fit)

I used to prefer flat bars but having drop bars with hydro brakes I'm happy with them too

I find my legs to be in a perpetual state of tiredness. I commute most days, do a quick local blast with the dog and if I manage the gym as well they're mullered. I like having gears (I have 4 bikes, 2 are SS) for commuting, given the riding I'm doing, because I can pootle along when I fancy it, sometimes its quite nice. Much harder to pootle on a SS, I suppose that's part of the benefit though

Dynamo lights would be handy

The extra faff in putting away your bike is definitely a hassle. I'm lucky, I don't lock my bike at work, it's in a secure room inside the building. Also means I don't have to take the lights off

Rucksack is definitely less faff when you're on and off the bike, I remember that from motorbike commuting, but the Topeak MTX tracks on a rack are almost as quick, and you don't get a sweaty back

I'd throw this into the mix as the ideal commuter, perhaps with Son dynamo lights front and rear. I do love a good custom bikes...

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Non ferrous frame

See, for a commuter I'd always go steel. Yes it can rust, but it's tougher, and when it's going to be dropped against bike stands 200+ days a year that's important.

Anyone else suddenly fancy some pear drops?

"when it's going to be dropped against bike stands 200+ days a year"

I could buy that if you were a courier.... back in the real world are you really in that much of a rush you have to drop your bike into the rack.

do you drop it from an inch , 3 inches , 6 inches , orbit ?

I have used all sorted for commuting - steel , alu , ti , carbon and have not yet dented anything.

What bike for being taken out by a bin lorry? Thanks to some retard who can't drive properly, I may need a new bike sooner than expected. Two smashed wheels, a broken fork and a possibly muller'd frame means I'm now on the hunt. Well, once the road rash has heeled.

Commuting in London...awesome...

Defining the ideal commuter is pretty hard as even if money is no object to buy it, you limit your options for leaving it outside the pub as you spend more on it (I've been finding that since spending more and more on it as my commute distance has increased, I have been getting more worried at the possibility of it being stolen)

That said if it was a pure commuter I'd go for the following wish list:

-drop bars (but not as low front end as on my road bike - I need to be able to get to work even if my back's playing up a bit)
-gears (I kept snapping things on my fixed gear commuter, so I've given up on that idea. I ride quite fast and weigh 13.5 stone, which I don't imagine helps.)
-disc brakes (mostly to avoid having to replace rims overly frequently)
-mudguards
-dynamo hub
-a rack (I like panniers both for longer commutes to avoid a sore back and shorter ones to avoid clothes getting sweaty - a top box would be ideal for most days but I haven't got around to finding a suitably sized/shaped one).
-28mm tyres (which can be got in fast rolling flavours and can be run at lowish pressures for comfort if needed.) with reasonably strong wheels.

When I had a shorter commute I had flat bars on the commuter, but now I'm used to drops I would probably stick with them regardless.

There are quite a few fairly ligthweight frames and forks that will form the heart of my ideal commuter, but by the time everything like mudguards and racks is on it's never going to upset the UCI's minimum weight limit.

I did prefer riding a fixed wheel, similar but slightly shorter commute than the OP, and I got used to the commute after a few months. Except when I had massive headwinds. As I said though, kept snapping things on it. It is a good alternative to disc brakes for saving your rims if you're a bit lighter than I am.

When bike commuting, I've found that i spend more time doing things like...
- Changing into suitable bike clothing
- unlocking the bike
- attaching the lights
- attaching the pannier bags
- locking the bike
- removing the lights and bags
- Changing into work clothing
...and it takes more time than it should. Effectively it was quicker to commute 8km by car through traffic than by bike. Just because of the fuss. I think that a good commuter should help cut down the time needed on that list.

I could buy that if you were a courier.... back in the real world are you really in that much of a rush you have to drop your bike into the rack.

do you drop it from an inch , 3 inches , 6 inches , orbit ?

I have used all sorted for commuting - steel , alu , ti , carbon and have not yet dented anything.

I managed to dent my steel frame, it just flopped from one stand over onto the next whilst I tried to thread the lock through the wheels. OK so I dented steel, but comparing the downtubes of my steel and alu bikes over the years I's sticking with my assertion that steel shrugs off more knocks.

"Defining the ideal commuter is pretty hard as even if money is no object to buy it, you limit your options for leaving it outside the pub as you spend more on it (I've been finding that since spending more and more on it as my commute distance has increased, I have been getting more worried at the possibility of it being stolen)"

Without a doubt.

even to the point of buying a cheap low end drop bar bike - by the time make it convienant to cycle 25k each way in all weathers you stick a rack on , some mudguards , a dynamo lighting system thats useful on unlit busy roads.......your looking at the thick end of 1k to replace it - and in time honoured STW fashion my car was only 1400 quid.... - Thus i have another bike for going to the pub on .... it was free from my parents garage and has a set of 6.99 aldi lights screwed to it ....

What bike for being taken out by a bin lorry?

Ouch. Could have been worse by the sounds of it, hope you heal up quickly.

Defining the ideal commuter is pretty hard as even if money is no object to buy it, you limit your options for leaving it outside the pub as you spend more on it

Its a commute bike not a pub bike 😆

Thanks - I was pretty lucky actually - I saw him at the last minute and swerved, directly into the curb. He didn't stop either which was nice - which led to me chasing down the A2 after him skidding all over the place on my Look cleats...

95% of a time I ride like a dickhead so if taken out I'd hold my hands up and take the blame. However this morning (the 5%) I was totally in the right, which is why I was so enraged when he didn't stop.

I have secure storage at work so the cost of the bike isn't the issue (errant Bin lorries aside). we also have one of those flash storage racks so it doesn't damage the bike and there's plenty of space as hardly anyone rides in (probably Bin lorry related).

Anyone had a Genesis Flyer? This looks pretty spot on for what I need, apart from slightly undergeared

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I've recently split one bike into two: a more road-focused machine (Kinesis 4S Disc) and a singlespeed (Cotic Escapade). I do a 15-mile commute in Bristol.

There's definitely a thrill to riding a lightweight bike, although I find it too skittish in the rain, over cobbles etc. My 4S has discs, light wheels and 28c tyres.

The Escapade is currently wearing Hope-based 29er wheels, singlespeed, mudguards and 37c Conti TopContact tyres. Grip is amazing, but it's somewhat less comfortable than the 4S!

I'm mulling over whether to replace the Escapade with a flat-bar frame and some gears.

If the escapade is a large frame, you should DEFINITELY get rid. Cough.

When bike commuting, I've found that i spend more time doing things like...

- Changing into suitable bike clothing
- unlocking the bike
- attaching the lights
- attaching the pannier bags
- locking the bike
- removing the lights and bags
- Changing into work clothing

That's what we would probably refer to as scope creep, that wasn't a requirement of the OP's question 😉

But anyroad, I'm lucky enough to have secure, underground car parking, manned 24/7 plus CCTV and security pass controlled.

I locked my bike the first day I commuted in 2009 but just leave it unlocked in a rack every day since then.

Also means I can leave my lights on etc. although I do remove my Garmin.

I also hang my sweaty or wet gear over the frame during the day to allow it to air/dry out before putting it on again for the commute home.

I'm never sure what some of the other commuters carry with them. they have 2 panniers, a rucksack and other stuff. I've carried less with me on an unsupported ride from London to Paris.

I'm never sure what some of the other commuters carry with them.

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This is mine. A Kinesis 4S with dynamo, rack, mudguards, decent lightish wheels and light tyres.
Rides brilliantly, and as I spend so much time commuting and training on it I wanted to actually enjoy riding it!

Only changes I'd make to turn it into an [i]ultimate[/i] commuting bike would be to get the GF_Ti disc frame rather than the 4S and switch to Di2 hydraulic disks.

I am lucky enough to be able to lock it in the changing rooms at school after a 13 mile each way ride though!

I'm never sure what some of the other commuters carry with them.

Usually try to take all office clothes and towel in for the week in one go.
I tend to go climbing straight from work, so need harness/shoes/non-lycra clothing.
Shopping.
Sometimes take the laptop home.

Still, apart from occasional long business trips, I've never needed more than 2 small panniers.

I commute 15 miles each way to Brighton & the bike I use most is a Planet X XLS. It has 28mm tyres for comfort, disc brakes for decent braking in the wet & proper mudguards in the winter. In my opinion it would be the perfect commuter bike if it had proper mounts for guards & a rack. Bit of a bodge to mount the guards but they work well & now I know how to do it they are easy to take off & put back on again.

I also have a Specialized Langster that I sometimes use. Love the lack of maintenance with it but it does limit the route I can take.

Sometimes use a MTB when very cold or for a bit of a change. When the weather is good I use my nice road bike. Good to have a variety of bikes to mix things up.

Wish I still had my lightweight racy MTB with carbon forks as that was a good commuting option in the winter.

For my commute in London I originally had a cheap old mtb which I stripped to SS. I moved further from work so treated myself to a Cannondale badboy, but found I was only using 2 gears so sold it and went back to a converted MTB. 25mm tires and v brakes, Mary bars and some on one steel forks on an old Trek frame painted bright orange. It was horrible to look at but pretty nippy in traffic and comfy for 10 miles a day max.
Now my commute is only 3 miles each way so I take which ever bike I want to ride on the "long way home". Today it was the FS, Wednesday was the CX, sometimes the SS or the HT.

I have a rural commute, so very different circumstances. Bike goes in the basement at work and is not left out.

I'm not a fan of road riding, but it certainly helps my mtb riding.

2.5 years on my planet x pro carbon with race blades and 25mm tyres. Used in all weathers it's been good value for money in only needing chains and brake blocks.

It is white under all its grime.

MTB-Idle, here's my offering.

http://vanmoof.com/s-series/9-s5.html
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It has an inbuilt lock, inbuilt lights, cable discs, single speed or gear hub, full guards and enclosed drivetrain. But, i can't see any pannier mounts. All these will minimise the fuss before/after a commute and the preparation before, which is the important bit for me.

A fuss free commuter. But it won't win any races or beauty contests.

Also for the op, out of your options, I'd get a geared CX bike. When you're aching from riding in on the fun fixie, commute on the geared.