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It’s like tipping a waiter or giving a quid to a busker cos you like their music, isn’t it?
Not really no..
Respect to anyone who chucked some cash in but I’d be more inclined to help if he’d had it stolen. That said, totally gutting for him and his parents and hope he gets on something more robust soon.
Life’s a biatch, innit.
Not really no..
Fascinating.
Christ this place could argue with itself couldn't it! If you want donate, do it. If you don't, great, it's your choice. End of.
I mean props to the lad though, I wouldn't drop that! I've done one of the blacks there, but keep bottling the others. Ive only got a hardtail though......
Ive only got a hardtail though…
Ok ok we will buy you a bike too.
Fascinating
Apologies, but I didn't think such a ridiculous analogy deserved any further comment than that..
He might be a nice lad like the go fund me page claims, although it's hardly gonna say different, on the other hand the kid could be an obnoxious bellend so it's hard to judge if he's worthy of a donation, can anyone vouch for him on here.
I was expecting a scrawny 14 year old. He could easily make the money for a new frame working the doors of a nightclub at the weekend. How old is he?
He’ll be wanting the British public to fund him a new helmet too, after he chucked it at the ground in a peeve😂
I pringled my mavic 217 aged 16 back in the day.I saved up. Same way I'd saved up to buy it aged 15.
I'm with the fair play for having a go camp. Going full josh bender on an old intense that's commitment
Again if he'd been mugged that's different.
What happens if / when he does the same to the next frame, let's donate some spades as well so they can sort out a better landing.
Christ this place could argue with itself couldn’t it! If you want donate, do it. If you don’t, great, it’s your choice. End of.
The OP asked for opinions on the matter. We're just following orders.
It’s like tipping a waiter
No, it's not. In the U.S., wait staff do not receive minimum wage and make most of their income from tips. That's well understood, so not tipping your waiter is pretty lousy. This is a kid who broke his toy and is begging for strangers to buy him a new one.
Yesterday I was of the opinion of "suck it up" and chalk it of as a lesson learnt. But after reading the kids back story and comments from his mates on social media I find myself more sympathetic to his cause. It's clear that it's not the kid who snapped his bike that set up the go fund me page, his mates are very clear that it was them who set up the page and that and that he would never ask for help!.. His mates set up the page because he's not got much money and nether has his family and he's also meant to be a really good lad who is a really skilled biker and he uses that skill to help teach other kids progress their skills.
People can ask for money for whatever they want and whatever their circumstances. This has been made a lot easier via internet/social media with many more 'causes'
Up to each person what they feel merits giving their spare money to but personally I choose carefully which charities to give to each month and giving money to someone who has broken their bike doesn't even register on my list.
I'm donating worthy cause indeed !!
who is a really skilled biker
he' would be sponsored if he was that good, problem solved.
sorry just being a twunt for the sake of it 🙂 fair play to the lad and his mates, hope he gets something sorted
Ok ok we will buy you a bike too.
Yay!! I don't want a 2015 Intense though...
No, it’s not. In the U.S., wait staff do not receive minimum wage and make most of their income from tips. That’s well understood, so not tipping your waiter is pretty lousy.
We’re not in the US though and I’d counter by saying it’s lousy not to pay people a living wage and making them rely on tips. I’m confused as to how this relates to a kid in a different country (who’s not a waiter) snapping his bike.
Nice of his mates to set up the page. Reckon we could build him a better bike out of parts laying around in sheds and garages.
Yay!! I don’t want a 2015 Intense though…
2014 it is then.
I've donated just to piss off you miserable bastards on here!!
arguably the one he has should not have broken
Race spec Intense? That's exactly the frame I'd expect to break. They were pretty clear what the expectations for those bikes were when they launched the M9 FRO.
Kudos to him for riding that out though.
There are some people on here who have forgotten what mountain biking and skills development is all about. How is he supposed to know or learn anything without making a few mistakes.
I mentioned this on another thread, whilst I am too chicken to do any of that, I am glad others do, it makes top entertainment.
I mean we buy products because our heroes do great things using those products, this is no different. So I have made a donation, who knows he might be the next Bender or Brendan.
I'm also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with.
How much do secondhand Karpiels go for anyway?
I’ve donated just to piss off you miserable bastards on here!
So OP asks for opinion on whether this is a cause worthy of donation. Many people say no it's not. That makes them miserable bastards does it? 🤔
I’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with.
I look forward to your findings.
I’ve donated just to piss off you miserable bastards on here!
Oh, my piss is boiling. If you promise to keep on donating, I'll livestream my head exploding in rage.
I’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with.
"He's making a list, he's checking it twice
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice
5plusn8 is coming to town."
“He’s making a list, he’s checking it twice
Gonna find out who’s naughty or nice
5plusn8 is coming to town.”
and no pressies for the meanies.
I’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with.
Young kid round my way, who you have never met, recently lost his football in the local canal. He's 10, so unlike the lad in the video can't get a job to buy a new one. Who knows, he may be the next Marcus Rashford. Can you paypal gift me a few quid so we can put it towards getting him a new one. If not I'm going to cast aspersions on your character and stick you on a 'list'...
You see how absolutely ridiculous that sounds...
Post a vid of the kid losing the ball in the canal, and I will send him a new one.
The world needs more Marcus Rashford types.
I presume his "shit list" relates to people being actively unpleasant about the Gofundme, rather than those of us (like me) not putting their hand in their pocket but trying to keep it fun.
I may be wrong though.
Is it a spreadsheet or is it scrawled on paper in green ink?
Post a vid of the kid losing the ball in the canal, and I will send him a new one.
I didn't capture it on video unfortunately, they were trying to retrieve as I walked past! But trust me he's a nice kid and deserves it. If you want to send me a new one to give him good on you, I'll pass it on. And ensure you definitely aren't on the list going forward.
I fear you are on the list cha****ng. I think the list will be photographs with darts in them. No presents for you!
I didn’t capture it on video unfortunately, they were trying to retrieve as I walked past!
You monster! You could’ve waded in and retrieved it. I would’ve done that and then burst the ball to teach the kid a valuable life lesson or something
I presume his “shit list” relates to people being actively unpleasant about the Gofundme,
Who in this thread has been actively unpleasant? I just don't see it. Any examples?
Who in this thread has been actively unpleasant? I just don’t see it. Any examples?
I think the best - most transparent - solution is for the list to be uploaded to Googledocs or similar and a link posted here.
totally unrelated to the gofundme and this situation. But the answer of 'get a job' is coming up a lot. Perhaps just a small reminder that unskilled 'kids' can get f all right now. Most part-time school age jobs are in the service industry that for some reason is not employing right now...
Gif fail..
My list is written in the blood of unborn Danny MacAskills that were miscarried the moment anyone refused to donate.
Now we definitely need to see it.
the irony of a freeI’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with.
They get my data. It's payment enough. If it wasn't, they wouldn't do it!
Can't see why he can't do a Tebbit ,get on his bike and look for a job.
I’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with
DON'T TELL HIM, PIKE!
5plusn8
Free Member
They get my data. It’s payment enough. If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t do it!Posted 16 minutes ago
I'm not quite sure it is.
Reading some of the local Leeds y'all building group posts, there's a lot more going on than FB and a 5 second video conveys.
There's an STW article there about the group - @stwhannah ...
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DON’T TELL HIM, PIKE!
Yes, he definitely deserves at least Lyrik spec on his crowd-funded chariot.
I liked the way the thread was going all Futurama, though:
He could be the next Bender
Yes, he definitely deserves at least Lyrik spec on his crowd-funded chariot.
😀
they've said explicitly that it isn't:They get my data. It’s payment enough. If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t do it!
If you are already a subscriber then we love you. In a very real sense you guys are keeping the lights on here. We just need more of you.
these comments from the thread YOU started last year make what you've said here come across as extremely hypocritical IMO, but whatever - you can justify your various stances to yourself however you like
I don’t come here a lot but I do feel the need to support the stuff I use. The forum is a very useful place for all kinds of info both on and off topic. So I have considered premier membership here, but I can’t see the benefits
You could say I’m not paying at the moment because I don’t have to
Thats all correct zilog, note I clearly said:
I can’t see the benefits
If the powers that be don't like it why haven't the non members been booted?
I'll tell you why, they need us to create free content.
I fully expect to be banned sooner or later when the site becomes self sufficient.
I’m also making a list of the pro/anti donation crowd and see what it correlates with
I've not commented but given I don't have a job at the moment and my kid gets through bike parts like no tomorrow I'll be saving what I can. Last 2 mo, he blew seals on his shock, snapped a wheel and snapped a brake lever Tuesday.
All comes out of fuel and us being able to ride.
stevextc, nobody is compelled to donate, my comment was more about peoples attitude. There has been no abuse, accusations, name calling. Just gentle banter.
You don't need to defend not donating to anyone.
Free members contribute massively to the success of the forum. It'd be a much poorer place without them. As to whether it couldn't exist without paying subscribers, clearly not in it's current form.
Back to the OP, am actually tempted to drop a fiver in the pot 🙂
The subscribers are for the mag, I'm not into the mag . Most other forums are free for the same reason, the users are needed. Anyway I click on the ads every now and then.
stevextc, nobody is compelled to donate, my comment was more about peoples attitude.
These are strange times... and this reminded me of a post in the local FB.
Many local businesses have stepped up to provide kids with free meals ... then some idiot was berating them for asking for proof (they just needed to email before hand not turn up and stand in a special queue wearing badges) and saying how this was to deliberately embarrass them.
Quite honestly very sad.... a cafe owner replied they were doing this so they can pay staff and eat themselves so they don't have to make judgements on who's taking the piss and who isn't... and the poster replied "Ah you'll just fill in your tax return and claim it all back" ... made me think he's an accountant makes money from bankruptcies. (who knows)
I have no idea if they even can but I'd presume even if they can it will come from profits only?
... but somehow it may be the most useful thing he said as I don't think the cafe or others were even considering that was possible. Quite honestly I don't care if they can and do... its more important to get the kids food than trying to politicise.
Thats the whole benefits argument in a nutshell. Some people are against benefits because some arseholes will exploit them, therfore no good should be done in case a small amount of bad happens. Net result = people in need go unhelped.
Others are pro benefits because even if a few arseholes make out of it, many needy people will be helped.
Net result = lots of good.
So OP asks for opinion on whether this is a cause worthy of donation. Many people say no it’s not. That makes them miserable bastards does it?
Yes it does, well done for working it out!
Thats the whole benefits argument in a nutshell. Some people are against benefits because some arseholes will exploit them, therfore no good should be done in case a small amount of bad happens. Net result = people in need go unhelped.
Others are pro benefits because even if a few arseholes make out of it, many needy people will be helped.
Net result = lots of good.
Not really ... I understand the cafe's wanting to not just give to people taking the piss.... and at the end of the day they are giving away food to people who need it.
Strikes me as being a complete arse to criticise them for actually making sure they can pay staff and eat themselves.
Obviously the small family run cafe can't feed the entire borough for free... and they are doing what THEY think they can. Not to mention from personal experience loads of people seem to think they are entitled to free stuff.
In March/April lockdown I was doing free bike services for NHS... other than the time it was costing me money. Not lots.. replacement cables, brake pads etc.
I stopped when I got a load of shit at my own house by a key worker who wanted FREE stuff cos he's building a towerblock complex and "the council owned company say's he's a key worker"...
It was my decision to do NHS staff.... I don't need the abuse by a building labourer who's being paid saying he has the right. At one point I thought I was going to have to deck him with my kid watching out of the window.
I think you should make the distinction between:
opinion that it is/isn't worthy of donation
and
actually making a donation
I.E. you can think its worthy but still not make a donation.
Strikes me as being a complete arse to criticise them for actually making sure they can pay staff and eat themselves.
I agree entirely, and agree with your point.
but some people use this as an excuse to think the service is a bad idea...
Unused to be very cynical about other people. Then I realised that most people are decent in most ways, and that life is MUCH better when you appreciate that. Really it's a weight off my shoulders. There's a chance that this is all a scam. But it's pretty small, IMO.
What's also interesting is that people queue up to donate bike stuff or money to forum members when they are in need. Which is great. But because this person isn't a forum member (to our knowledge) some people feel entirely justified in loudly proclaiming he can go **** himself and/or he's a scammer. Weird isn't it?
Its ride and prejudice, he doesn't look or ride like one of us. He has actual rad skillz and not a Santa Cruz or Audi in sight.
What’s also interesting is that people queue up to donate bike stuff or money to forum members when they are in need. Which is great. But because this person isn’t a forum member (to our knowledge) some people feel entirely justified in loudly proclaiming he can go **** himself and/or he’s a scammer. Weird isn’t it?
Dunno... as I said "strange times".
Personally I have bought stuff and given stuff to/from forum members.
Bought stuff without the suspicion of FB marketplace....and given stuff cos its spare.
Partly because people don't tend to take the piss....
Our local FB are full of what I assume to be scams....
"How much"
"DM me"
etc.
So I largely see FB as lots of potential scams. STW as lots of helpful people don't take the piss.
Did anyone say he could go **** himself? One misguided soul mused that it might be a scam, which just shows poor social awareness IMO.
I agree entirely, and agree with your point.
but some people use this as an excuse to think the service is a bad idea…
The person in Q seems to be hung up over having people send some proof and how this is embarrassing.
What I don't think he gets is he's actually making people think it's embarrassing AND potentially preventing the businesses (who are also employers) from taking part.
Law of unintended consequences?
It's like in lockdown OH was shopping for 4-5 elderly neighbours then she more or less stopped when she could only buy x of any item. It was just getting uncomfortable with different neighbours wanting the same stuff and telling them "Mrs. Miggins asked first" etc. and so she massively scaled it back.
What’s also interesting is that people queue up to donate bike stuff or money to forum members when they are in need. Which is great. But because this person isn’t a forum member (to our knowledge) some people feel entirely justified in loudly proclaiming he can go * himself and/or he’s a scammer. Weird isn’t it?
Remind me when we have ever had a whip round to buy someone a bit of kit that they have broken? Sure we have donated used bits to folks when bikes have been stolen, or chipped in with cash when folks have faced challenging family circumstance (ie family illness).
But in 8 years of being on here I never remember a cash whip round to replace broken kit..
loudly proclaiming he can go * himself
Quote anyone who has said that on this thread? Because I don't think anyone has.
Remind me when we have ever had a whip round to buy someone a bit of kit that they have broken? Sure we have donated used bits to folks when bikes have been stolen, or chipped in with cash when folks have faced challenging family circumstance (ie family illness).
Mild semantic difference, which effectivly backs up his point.
I knew this free v full member thing would rear its ugly head sometime, great shaming ploy by STW.
Personally, I do a lot of good work for charity, I just dont like to talk about it. 😃
Dude, don't be ashamed, your comment is contributing to the value of the forum.
I was hoping for some on-topic STW ingenuity here.
Is it just a swingarm, ? Can you get a replacement ? Is there a cheaper way eg. A SH frame that will take the rest of the components that we know of ??
Is it just a swingarm, ? Can you get a replacement ?
Maybe, wont find many around.
Is there a cheaper way eg. A SH frame that will take the rest of the components that we know of ??
Pretty much any downhill frame
Mild semantic difference, which effectivly backs up his point
No it's not and no it doesn't. He implied that we are not treating the kid the same as we treat members of this forum. My counter was we haven't ever done similar for a forum member so his implication was incorrect.
Nor is it semantics to point out that there is a difference between funding the replacement of broken kit with cash, and donating old unused bits after a bike is stolen, or a go fund me to support someone with an Ill relative. The latter two are examples of what we've seen on this forum, and I don't think either are particularly comparable to the gofund me in this kid's case.
One of the great things about this forum is how everyone has repeatedly rallied round when needed without been asked. From donation of parts, expertise and the rest and to my knowledge no body has ever asked for or expected anything in return
Its one of the reasons that this place, most times, is so special.
I do feel for the guy and I'm sure if he or his family were regulars on here he would have been sorted by now.
I'm not sure why donating or not to his cause should create any animosity between such a good crowd that we have on here.
(had a CatEye computer on it!).
Halcyon days!
poster points out the forum has been previously generous, can't understand why some people think this person cannot receive generosity.
Your issue is the format of the generosity is different, effort/time/spares vs cash . But it doesn't undermine his point that people were previously generous.
Also some people posted or drove or gave up time, these all have cash values, as do spares given not sold.
The point is we have only been presented with one way to support this guy. If it was a call for parts we would have done it.
Beautifully put. Tracey.
’ll livestream my head exploding in rage.
Will there be a go fund me to buy you a new head? I won't be contributing but I will comment that you should just get a job like all the other headless people (I would suggest MP, you'll fit right it)
Also, can I have your helmet - I just broke mine in a peeve
The point is we have only been presented with one way to support this guy.
Yep..and it's not remotely the same as how we have supported others on this forum in the past. So my point is, let's not try and make out we aren't being generous to the lad as he's not 'in the stw gang'. Because if a forum member came on here saying I've snapped my bike at BPW, can you all chip in a few quid to get me a replacement, I'd not be contributing to that either.
it really hasn't though! Almost everybody has been sympathetic even if they've not chosen to donate. It's just a couple of members who've got slightly on their high horses about it for some reason. Just standard forum noise, there's very little that ever achieves 100% agreement tbh.I’m not sure why donating or not to his cause should create any animosity between such a good crowd that we have on here.