[Closed] The GMBN vid in which lad breaks brand new bike

unofficial Leeds bike park

I've only been once but its here, isnt it?

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I think so, but it's not that incident.

Does he overshoot it? Looks like it’s still quite a slope when he lands - and you’d not want to come up short and clip your back wheel on a drop that size!!!

Old fatigued frame? Already cracked? Too light a spring or faulty damper so it bottomed out too hard?

Brave and pretty skilled rider!

No, it's brand new apparently. I mean it's foolish, but we've all been there haven't we? Ok perhaps not that far off the ground...

I can't tell what bike it actually is.

I wonder if it gets enough publicity the company will stump up a warranty replacement?

It’s an Intense 951 from 2015. Not new!

No, it’s brand new apparently.

New to him 26" Intense it seems.

Lucky to ride that one out.

Its at Leeds Urban bike park, a proper trail centre. The drop he's done isn't one of the official trails, Laddo has just jumped off the highest point he can find into the quarry. My sympathy is limited, to be honest.

It's an Intense 951 I think, not one of the current line up.

951 intense. Probably about 5+ years old, so not an ancient pos. Unlucky, these things happen.

No, it’s brand new apparently

where do you get a brand new bike with fox 40's for £1100?

Poor lad...bunged him a tenner

Ok, he must've got it second hand, that makes more sense.

Laddo has just jumped off the highest point he can find into the quarry. My sympathy is limited, to be honest.

Yeah it'd be a shame if your ability to progress talent were to be limited by your socio-economic status wouldn't it......?

Laddo has just jumped off the highest point he can find into the quarry. My sympathy is limited, to be honest.

Gotta agree. He did a huge drop and busted his frame. Not really seeing why he deserves a free bike out of it.

Does he deserve one? No. Does he have a right to one? No. But can't we just be nice to someone just because?

Yeah it’d be a shame if your ability to progress talent were to be limited by your socio-economic status wouldn’t it……?

Building a landing would help his progression no end.

Yeah it’d be a shame if your ability to progress talent were to be limited by your socio-economic status wouldn’t it……?

Tory voter?

But can’t we just be nice to someone just because?

There are a zillion charities that would be better to give money to than a random kid on the internet who broke his bike jumping off a huge drop. Why does everyone think that every little mishap in life requires an online donation to make right?

Its at Leeds Urban bike park, a proper trail centre. The drop he’s done isn’t one of the official trails, Laddo has just jumped off the highest point he can find into the quarry.

Seems my comment has backfired. I thought I was pointing out that it was an official feature at a trail centre, and therefore reasonable to expect that a modernish DH bike shouldn't be snapping while doing it. Kind of the inverse of the guy that snapped a cotic rocket at Revs.

Torn on this one slightly.

I have sympathy for the parents having saved up to get him the bike but without knowing the kid himself it's hard to find sympathy for him. He basically hucked his new toy of the biggest thing he could find then broke it. It should come as a life lesson in the value of things, like most of us have had to go through. I was well aware that my parents scrimped and saved to buy me a new bike back when I was 12, a basic Apollo but it was the best they could afford. I trashed it in 3 months by basically ragging it everywhere and not maintaining it. I had to wait until I had saved up my pocket money to go halves on a new bike for christmas and birthday (they're 4 days apart) the next year for another Apollo but this time a bit further up the range. That bike was most definitely the best cared-for, maintained and mollycoddled Apollo in the country as I then knew how much effort it took to afford it and what the consequences were if I broke it. It was still going strong 5 years and 8,000 miles later (had a CatEye computer on it!).

If this kid has already been taught that lesson before and this is a genuine 'bugger' moment then the GoFundMe is fine but if it's just a way for him to get another bike he can break trying the same drop again then it's a waste of a chance to learn that life is tough.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that bike would cope with a landing like that, it’s big but it’s not rampage size! I bet that bike wouldn’t have snapped if it was brand new.

I thought I was pointing out that it was an official feature at a trail centre,

Nah, that's between a black (steep run in, to 4ft verticalish, not rollable, drop to steep landing, which is on the riders right as he puts the bike down) drop, and a red steep roll down to the quarry bottom. He's just dropped off the side of the quarry, to no landing, not flat but not far off. He's got bottle, but any idiot can ride off the edge of a cliff. he's very lucky to have not been seriously hurt, as many have been doing the 4footer, never mind hucking 20ft to flat.

Josh bender would approve 🙂

Theres no law which says you can't ask for money and you're not compelled to donate.

I really can see theres an issue here one way or the other

Nah, that’s between a black (steep run in, to 4ft verticalish, not rollable, drop to steep landing, which is on the riders right as he puts the bike down) drop, and a red steep roll down to the quarry bottom. He’s just dropped off the side of the quarry, to no landing, not flat but not far off. He’s got bottle, but any idiot can ride off the edge of a cliff. he’s very lucky to have not been seriously hurt, as many have been doing the 4footer, never mind hucking 20ft to flat.

gotcha. I recognised it - badly it seems - and thought he'd just gone in far too hot on one of the official features and landed it to flat.

I've been once, (in the rain, alone, and on my hardtail so I) didn't do the black drop. Kind of forgot about how cameras shrink everything so actually a massive drop he's done in that video.

If he'd had a 5 year old bike that he'd owned from new, and broke it like that then that is a definite suck it up moment.

That it happened on his first ride on it is either spectacularly unfortunate, or the seller knew it was duff and offloaded a lemon on an unsuspecting kid of limited budget.

Theres no law which says you can’t ask for money

Can you be economical with the truth in asking? That's not a brand new bike.

Suck it up im afraid..

I remember saving up for a skateboard when I was younger..about 14. Popped an olly down a large set of steps, board snapped in 2 on landing. 60 quid was an awful lot of cash for a 14 year old back in 1990.

I can't remember anyone running a charity drive to buy me a new one.

I can’t remember anyone running a charity drive to buy me a new one.

So? Why does anyone care what people do with their money. If people want to help out the kid then why the hell not.

That it happened on his first ride on it is either spectacularly unfortunate, or the seller knew it was duff and offloaded a lemon on an unsuspecting kid of limited budget.

Genuine question as I don't know..is a bike breaking having experienced that kind of landing that surprising? I'd agree with you if he'd just ridden a table top or something, but he not, he's hucked 20 foot pretty much to flat.

If I did that to a brand new bike and it snapped I don't think I'd be all that surprised, let alone something 5 years old.

So? Why does anyone care what people do with their money. If people want to help out the kid then why the hell not.

I don't care in the slightest what people do with their money. Why did you get that impression?

I was simply stating what others have said, it's a pretty unworthy charity cause. Doesn't mean I give a shit if you donate to it or not

Genuine question as I don’t know..is a bike breaking having experienced that kind of landing that surprising? I’d agree with you if he’d just ridden a table top or something, but he not, he’s hucked 20 foot pretty much to flat.

<in my opinion only> only because its a DH bike. Break an enduro like that and I'd agree with you.

Having watched world cup races and rampage and hardline (from the safety of my sofa) I beleive that a DH bike should be capable of surviving anything that the rider can - that's almost their raison d'etre now enduro bikes are such capable descenders.

^the above written by a mincer who is happily aware his trail bike exceeds his abilities

“<in my opinion only> only because its a DH bike. Break an enduro like that and I’d agree with you.

Having watched world cup races and rampage and hardline (from the safety of my sofa) I beleive that a DH bike should be capable of surviving anything that the rider can – that’s almost their raison d’etre now enduro bikes are such capable descenders.

^the above written by a mincer who is happily aware his trail bike exceeds his abilities”

Seconded!

I’d also say that I’d expect the wheels to fail on a DH bike before the frame does.

only because its a DH bike.* Break an enduro like that and I’d agree with you.

You see I'd expect Semenuk to ride that** out on a 10year old bso road bike.
I'd snap a V10 rolling a curb.

The frame isn't going to fix the rider being rubbish.***

* a 5yr old DH bike is likely to have been riden hard and "well worn" by now
**based on description of where it is, I've not watched the video as it's through Facebook
***being ballsy/dumb enough to do something should in no way be confused for having the talent or skills. The kid might do but there's three minutes of video on PB every Friday illustrating that being willing does not equal being capable.

Balls aside - I thought his technique was spot on, everything looked great and composed up until the landing

The bike shouldn't have broken from that

Feel sorry for him, hope he gets sorted out and back sending it soon

(but my god, I could hear my 40 year old ankles cry watching that)

looks like he may need a new helmet too..

Donated. Fair play to the lad, I've eyed the drop up a few times but never had the balls to go for it, mainly because of how precise you have to be with the landing.

Lucky to walk away from that one!

Video of him doing the same drop a year ago, smooth as you like. He just overshot it in the frame snap video

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***being ballsy/dumb enough to do something should in no way be confused for having the talent or skills. The kid might do but there’s three minutes of video on PB every Friday illustrating that being willing does not equal being capable.

You might wanna watch the video.

The guy does a really ballsy move and rides it well. It was a big huck, but it's certainly not 'to flat'. The back end folds in half yet he still rides it out with the wheel parallel to the ground. Good skill.

Whether or not he deserves a new frame is a different question, but to suggest he was reckless and unskilled is plain wrong.

Fair plays, he rode the drop well, just slightly overshot it.

I'd probably argue that shouldn't write off a DH frame, though I'd have expected a pringled wheel or two.

I mean these things happen when you send big stuff, but I do have some sympathy for the lad.

There are a zillion charities that would be better to give money to than a random kid on the internet who broke his bike jumping off a huge drop. Why does everyone think that every little mishap in life requires an online donation to make right?

Worded perfectly

 

I just sent him a few quid. It may not have been the smartest move but it is a lot of money for his family and he seems to have bigger balls than me to attempt that.

Besides, a kid of any age on a bike is great and it means they are outdoors and enjoying themselves which I approve of.

I have sympathy for the lad and it’s a hard lesson to learn, but risk management isn’t just about reducing potential harm to you - but also the hardware too...

I wouldn’t buy a used DH bike - let alone a 5 year old one. Even if I did, I wouldn’t chuck it down that drop.

His money would have been better spent on a super strong wheels and a tough aluminium hardtail. He would then have a lot smaller outlay on a replacement stuff and still would be able to develop his skills.

For me this isn’t an essential thing, so my willingness to donate that to a stranger is a bit limited. It’s not as if he was a contributing part of our community here - or is he...?

Just looked up reviews of that frame on mtbr. The first three say “tends to crack if ridden hard”😂
Feel sorry for the lad... I too have looked at the 4 foot drop at the quarry at lubp and not ridden it...

I won't be donating, parents get him a bike and he does that with it? The black drop there is big enough. Also he's got a fullface which is good to see but they aren't necessarily cheap.
Leeds is local to me and massive kudos for having the kahuna's to try that but that was never going to end well taking a bike that old and sending it like that...

Consequences of being young if you ask me

If he's done it before was he on the same bike, as if so it clearly stood up to being landed correctly first time round.

Don't get me wrong I have sympathy for the lad, but the predicament is entirely of his making. Just as if he broke his leg on a trip to the alps, I'd have sympathy for him, but I wouldn't be chipping in for his medical bills ..

As an aside, the lad clearly has big balls and great skills, no question about it..

Some of those old Intenses were built to be light, strong enough to last a season of racing and not much more.

looks like he may need a new helmet too..

aye, no need for the helmet smashing,

His money would have been better spent on a super strong wheels and a tough aluminium hardtail. He would then have a lot smaller outlay on a replacement stuff and still would be able to develop his skills.

That would be a huge drop on a hardtail!

Also he’s got a fullface which is good to see but they aren’t necessarily cheap.

Only rich people should try and protect their face! He's probably prioritised a full face from the limited funds which is probably a very good thing seeing as he's sending pretty hard

I'm not going to donate but that's because im tight and selfish and have no connection to it but the comments here are annoying. It was clearly set up by a friend rather than himself and i've been in a similar situation as a kid. To suddenly have no option to pursue the sport and activity that keeps you sane, excited and engaged is a massive thing - who knows what the situation is, it could take him a year to be able to get another frame.

How old is this lad? He looks bigger than me ,could he fund a bike from a Saturday job?

He should send the video to You've Been Framed. There's my £250 idea 🙂

Not 20' bit massive none the less. Wouldn't expect the bike to snap.

Intense did have a rep for making fragile frames, didn't they?

Should've stuck with a good old fashioned 2005 Kona Stinky IMO.

5yrs is a lifetime for a big rig.

aye, no need for the helmet smashing,

Must have needed to due to the big balls situation

This coincidentlaly came up on a FB page, that bike having read around, has a reputation for being a bit flimsy. That said, looking at that different vid where it's been done easily on a trail bike, i can't figure out why the intense just folded like that. There wasn't anything particualrly bad with the huck, i've done similar on hardtails before now (show off), and on very big bouncy bikes and i cant see why it would have done it based on the way he jumped. The only thing i can see from the 2 videos, is that he's landed it off-camber this time round, and the motion of the swingarm has exasperated any lateral movement it may had as a design flaw and gone beyond it's breaking point (obvs)..

I'll come back to the point around reputaion - "1 season frame" is mentiioned a few times..

i can’t figure out why the intense just folded like that.

Because it was likely already cracked

Daft bastard!

Here you go a side on view of the drop. It's a fair old huck and definitely not a marked part of the trail system. I eyed it up and thought nah not for me!

Watch the head bob as he lands! Incidentally the drops were there and ridden before it had surfaced trails. Some of the old DH lines and drops are still there off the side of the highest part of the red trail.

When he broke the bike he landed ALOT further forwards so basically missed his landing i reckon! He's done it before an landed it like a peach.... it's an easy way to get a new bike for sure.
Get your mates to film it, knowing you might hurt yourself and then whack a gofundme up and see who falls for it.

There's a church opposite me, might just huck it off the first floor roof... being honest only Sam Pilgrim would probably actually do that!!

That’s not a brand new bike.

Just to be clear - he's not claimed it was (at least not in what I read), that was me mis-speaking. It was new to him.

Get your mates to film it, knowing you might hurt yourself and then whack a gofundme up and see who falls for it.

Serious or trolling? Do you always assume everyone's a ****?

Another point - he didn't set up the gofundme himself. Someone else did.

As for 'there are more worthy causes' yes there are, and I give much more to them.

Not an expert, but isn't it the swingarm that snapped ?

Are replacements available ?

Unusually for me, threw £10 at it - was won over by the GfM bit written by his mate.

Isn't this one for Brant: "I was just riding along on this second hand out of warranty frame that you didn't make, and it broke..."

Just to be clear – he’s not claimed it was (at least not in what I read),

You may wish to re-read

We are trying to raise some funds to help out with one of riders we all know. As most have probably seen the video by now on Saturday (17/10) after doing a jump at Leeds bike park emre's bike snapped, this was a brand new bike that he'd had for a day.

I mean, everything was brand new once, but this may be stretching a bit...

Laddo has just jumped off the highest point he can find into the quarry. My sympathy is limited, to be honest.

Those who never make a mistake never achieve anything worthwhile.

Practically huck to flat on a several years old second hand Intense dh bike, ballsy but dumb a f , are we sure this is recent, who wears chain wallets these days 😂.
Haibike seem to send Sam Pilgrim a bike every other week, maybe he could step up, wont cost him a penny and would make good content for his channel.

Not donating, dont know the kid sorry.

Looking at those vids, it's a hefty leap but I am surprised a fairly modern DH bike catastrophically failed like that - I don't think of 2015 bikes as "old". So that's unlucky and I'd be peeved too. Best outcome is Intense sell him a replacement frame for whatever the go fund me thing raises, bit of PR in it for them, if the guy still wants an Intense 🙂

I’m not going to donate but that’s because im tight and selfish and have no connection to it

Very fair comment.

bunged some in. Kid's got some balls and some skill, deserves some help.

Can’t believe everyone is giving him crap on a bike forum for:

* Doing a pretty epic drop.
* Landing better than most of us here would.
* Cleary not landing flat or doing anything close to what you see on rampage / YouTube edits promoting these frames.
* Not taking stupid risk - looks like he’s cleared the same drop before.

To me it simply looks like he purchased a bike from the time frames were transitioning from alu to carbon. Many from this time were basically cheese. I was hit myself.

The lesson to learn is simply 100% don’t by any 2013-2016 carbon frame for stuff like this.

Or

Don’t buy any carbon frame second hand unless it has transferable warranty.

To me it simply looks like he purchased a bike from the time frames were transitioning from alu to carbon. Many from this time were basically cheese. I was hit myself.

Never heard of that before, carbon frames have been around waaaaay longer than that.

The lesson to learn is simply 100% don’t by any 2013-2016 carbon frame for stuff like this.

Or

Don’t buy any carbon frame second hand unless it has transferable warranty.

The 951 is Alu.

Meant into mainstream for DH / Enduro.

Didn’t realise the bike was actually alu though! Guess you are never safe without lifetime warranty from co that actually stands by it...

Guess you are never safe without lifetime warranty from co that actually stands by it…

Bet most companies would claim that (the lads huck to flat) was crash damage and not warranty-able.

Guess you are never safe without lifetime warranty from co that actually stands by it…

Lifetime warranty doesn’t mean the manufacturer will replace, no questions asked.

Perhaps the local bike social enterprise will hook him up with a more suitable brand of bike.

Can’t believe everyone is giving him crap on a bike forum

Are we though? A couple of folks have perhaps done that but pretty much everyone else has just said there is no way they'd donate money to a random kid off the internet who has broken his 5 year old bike, having hucked it off a massive cliff.

I'd wager that hundreds of kid break their bikes in the UK every single day, albeit perhaps not in such spectacular fashion. I'm struggling to see what makes this case any different!

I'd certainly not criticise anyone for donating, it's their cash. I just find it bizarre that anyone would.

Perhaps the local bike social enterprise will hook him up with a more suitable brand of bike.

Say what now?

I've respect for him - that's a big old drop.

I however fall into the "that's life" camp. Just like crashing a car or loosing a valuable item.

He looks well able to earn some money - my kids have done paper round at £16/wk since they were 13. That's £800+ a year. By 16 the older two were at the local hotel, clearing £600+ a month while at school. Guess why eldest has a £2k+ Radon and could afford to travel to Alps for 6 weeks - it wasn't my money or some online donation.

I’m not donating to a new frame either, had to do 2 paper rounds for a year on a BSO to get a proper MTB at that age 😂

The kid should try and get Intense to sponsor a rerun on their latest model..

I just don’t think he deserves any negativity for trying to clear a drop like that.

I contributed. It's a personal decision. I can afford it.

I however fall into the “that’s life” camp

It is. But just because it's life, doesn't mean people can't be randomly kind occasionally, does it?

Fascinating how people are approaching this differently - which is why I started the thread, actually. I mean when it's genuine charities, there's no real moral argument not to donate, and we're used to that. So some are framing it in that context - he's not genuinely in need, and this is true, he's not, and there's zero obligation to give. But on the other hand, he's plucky and talented, and this gets respect from some people; he cannot *easily* afford a new frame and arguably the one he has should not have broken. So why not chuck the lad a fiver if you can? It's like tipping a waiter or giving a quid to a busker cos you like their music, isn't it?

Not donating, dont know the kid sorry.

Thanks for letting us know.