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Ebikes will be the norm in 10 years or so, it will just be low end catalogue bikes that are un-powered.
With regards to mtb, that is, IMO, BS.
I’m a big fan of using ebikes to do chores most people do with a car. That IS an evolution in transport.
I'm with Monty and boatman.....
They are massively popular in Austria, outside of the DH parks, I guess at 50% ebikes and rising. People using them for commuting, shopping and areas where the lifts aren’t running or don’t take bikes.
Which makes perfect sense when you live several hundred metres above the supermarket. In that case : Why use a car when you could use a bike?
I'm sure I'll end up with an eBike at some point.... That'll be when I buy a property several hundred metres above the local supermarket. It'll be a cargo bike.
@ colp, yup same wrong stem length here. Fortunately I had a 40mm bontrager knock block stem on my Fuel Ex so I put that on together with my 780 bars, I found the stock bars comfy but too narrow. Replacement stems are circa £25 so could be worse.
I really like the 8 speed block but there's defo a gap!
It is a work out for sure, which I love. Similar to the feeling muscling a motorbike around off road.
The 15mph limit is quite low though, not because I want to charge up the high street at 40mph, but because 20mph feels more natural on tarmac link roads or going between the villages etc.
Natural in that you always see MTBers tearing arse along at 20 on their enduro bikes between villages or natural in that you are bored of road and want it over quicker.
Well, I spent most of my time on the fire roads of Delamere yesterday pedalling around 20mph so that must be what I roughly do on my Capra.
So his point is that yes, the 15mph limit does feel a bit low for flat sections
@ trail rat; is 20mph worse on an ebike than my road bike, enduro, tandem, car, motorbike etc?
Is 20mph on a road really tearing arse?
Everything you wrote confuses me.
Evolution wise, whatever happens it would be good if we push hard for them to replace cars on local journeys. The off road market will sort itself out.
question; honestly, how many of you with eMTB’s have chipped yours?
Almost all the owners (MTB riders with multiple bikes been riding for years types) I’ve had a long chat with admitted that theirs is chipped. Not because they’re hooligans but because 15mph cut off is just so annoying when you’re out to have fun.
go on, be honest.
Mine's not chipped. Not going to either.
15mph is too low and I wish it was a more accurate 15 because my GPS shows 13.5, which is a little disappointing!
I rode about 28miles and around 6000ft of climbing yesterday and only used 2 bars (of 5) of battery. I rode it switched off for the last 20 miles though. Its 47lb.
Tell me about your single speeds again.
Mine is not chipped, neither are 3 other ppl with e-bike's I ride with.
"Everything you wrote confuses me."
Too early on Monday morning ?
20mph sustained is not what I see MTBers doing on road sections and thankfully on shared use cycle paths.
Hence why I don't see that e bikes need to go faster
Possibly too early, but would you care to answer my questions?
Is your car allowed to share a path with pedestrians?
Is your motorbike ?
Does your tandem do 20mph uphill ?
Sustained speed with minimal effort is different to occasionally hitting 20mph.
I'm pro ebike but I am also pro anything about 15mph being classed as moped and being subject to the same rules and restrictions on places of use.
go on, be honest.
None of my riding mates have chipped them, TBH they are all more interested in range than speed, none of them really want to hammer up hills at over 15mph, none of them ever use anything other than Eco mode, as they're all winch and plummet types. It's all about number of descents and spending all day on the trails.
I'd imagine folks who want to hammer round trail centres or XC type riding would be the ones that would be interested in chipping. When we're descending, on most of the tracks there's not a massive amount of pedalling going on. S'all about the gravity.
I rode about 28miles and around 6000ft of climbing yesterday and only used 2 bars (of 5) of battery. I rode it switched off for the last 20 miles though. Its 47lb.
So you used nearly half the battery in 8 miles?
I think I had a dh bike around that weight, off any decent sized jump and you got earthquake warnings. Was it actually fun pedalling that for 20 miles?
Eh. Most of the dull flat cycle path KOMs around here are over 20mph avg. They're almost all held by CX or roadbikes What's the difference?
Derestricted Emtbs top out at around 33mph on the flat its not really sustainable for more than a few minutes. I can hit that speed on my BMX, roadbike or hardtail it's not sustainable on those either. The only difference is how long it can be held.
I'm not sure being hit by a 14st BMX rider would be much different to being hit by a 14st Emtb rider
"Most of the dull flat cycle path KOMs around here are over 20mph avg. They’re almost all held by CX or roadbikes What’s the difference?"
****s will be ****s , at least thats self policing by the fact that you cant just pick a bike up tomorrow and hit 20mph+ for extended periods.
Can't be bothered to read the whole thread..
I was at 417 yesterday doing an uplift day. I was chatting to the driver and we got onto e-mtb's and he gave an interesting perspective. For Uplift trail centres, e-bikes don't really make sense. They cost an astronomical amount and you lose much of the fun on the way down due to carrying extra weight. They aren't as playful or nimble. You also expend a lot of energy on the way up which could be used to do more descents if using the uplift.
Compare that to an uplift day, £33 a time + a £2k trail bike. Say you go once a month to a trail centre, that's £400/yr in uplift costs. That's about £3k (inc. bike) after 2 years but with an ebike you'd need to replace the battery at this point too for £500, so the equivalent ebike will cost you north of £4.5k.
I think ebike have their place, but as an uplift tool they don't make sense to me.
ebike you’d need to replace the battery at this point too for £500
Specialized batteries will do 700 charge cycles before they need replacement, So you'd have to fully drain the battery every day for 2 years.
i know folk ride more with E-MTBs, but that seems unlikely
just waiting on my replacement battery after significant deterioration recently. Itll be 3 years old come october half term.,
UPS says it arrives tomorrow.
its not had an easy life - mostly down to a shit charger in the early days. Grin satiatior has happened since.
340 quid for replacement. Good news is that near the same power can be had for less and fitted into a smaller space with advances in cell technology
I agree totally with somewhere like Revs.
But somewhere like Style Cop for instance Ebikes are brilliant
I’m pro ebike but I am also pro anything about 15mph being classed as moped and being subject to the same rules and restrictions on places of use.
15mph off road isn’t fast.
The biggest e-bike advocate I know personally is a super fit and skilled rider who rides most days, did two consecutive years of one million fit of climbing (before the e-bike) and swears he's even fitter now than he was then. Rides a blinged up Levo with 170mm Fox 36 up front. Every time I speak to him he starts telling me how sick they are and how I need one - but right now I don't have the money!
15mph off road isn’t fast.
Uphill it is!! 24kph would be 6kph faster than anybody climbs this at.
https://www.strava.com/segments/846066?filter=overall
I rode about 28miles and around 6000ft of climbing yesterday and only used 2 bars (of 5) of battery. I rode it switched off for the last 20 miles though. Its 47lb.
Tell me about your single speeds again.
I do that on my commute, singlespeed (well, almost twice the distance and a bit less climbing).
Use zero bars (unless flapjack counts).
Rescued someones family dog on the way in too, It'm flippin' awesome me!
The biggest e-bike advocate I know personally is a super fit and skilled rider who rides most days, did two consecutive years of one million fit of climbing (before the e-bike) and swears he’s even fitter now than he was then. Rides a blinged up Levo with 170mm Fox 36 up front. Every time I speak to him he starts telling me how sick they are and how I need one – but right now I don’t have the money!
I lust after a Kenevo in the same way I do a CRF250R. Which is what it is, an uber-lightweight, Green laner that's allowed on bridleways because it's a bit slower and quieter.
* will be * , at least thats self policing by the fact that you cant just pick a bike up tomorrow and hit 20mph+ for extended periods.
I've no idea what sensored words you're using. but I could pick up pretty much any bike and ride it at 20mph for periods of over say minute on the flat. As could you. I'm not sure why the extended periods matter and I still don't understand why you think this needs policing at all.
"15mph off road isn’t fast"
Orly. remove your battery and go do 15mph ave on any popular lakes route.
Uphill it is!! 24kph would be 6kph faster than anybody climbs this at.
But why does that make any difference? I’m no more likely to collide with someone when I’m riding uphill. I’ll be able to stop more quickly than on the flat or downhill.
"if you want a motorbike buy a motorbike but dont be surprised that your subjected to motorbike laws and restrictions. "
sums up my stance on the matter. there has to be a line drawn in the sand or you end up with a huge speed differential on shared use paths - and youll never get decent access laws in england.
maybe i see it differently in scotland as we are actually allowed on the hill side footpaths 😉 and that line in the sand is important to responsible land access.
Orly. remove your battery and go do 15mph ave on any popular lakes route.
But I didn’t buy it for Lakes routes type riding, I bought it a shuttle type riding here and in Austria when the lifts are shut or there’s no lift access.
And I didn’t mean about average speeds on a long XC ride. But if you think 15mph is fast, I’m glad I don’t do that type of riding.
I know for instance, when I land off the Delamere road gap, I’m doing around 30mph
There isn't always an uplift. There's a place near me with a trail centre's worth of steep long descents and 200m of fire-road ascent required to get back up to the top, which takes most people about half an hour. Plus the ride in.
Basically with an e-bike you'd get loads more runs in, and still get your exercise cos you're pedalling the same effort but going faster and doing it more often. If I ride out to that spot I won't get many runs in a 2 hour outing.
So you used nearly half the battery in 8 miles?
I think I had a dh bike around that weight, off any decent sized jump and you got earthquake warnings. Was it actually fun pedalling that for 20 miles?
That 8 miles was a lot steeper than average. I've done an entire battery in 10 miles using boost for all the climbing in a similar riding area nearby.
Sounds like you're probably pretty shit at jumping. My bike jumps very well. With me doing the skillz part.
Yes. it was loads of fun.
20mph sustained is not what I see MTBers doing on road sections and thankfully on shared use cycle paths.
I've seen folk on Tri bars riding shared use cycle paths, 20mph is definitely sustainable then. What's your stance on that?
“if you want a motorbike buy a motorbike but dont be surprised that your subjected to motorbike laws and restrictions. ”
Dude, I’m way ahead of you 🙂
All of my full sus non ebikes are under 25lbs and there is no way a ebike will ever go that low.
I got my first emtb this year Moterra LT1 which I have now done 150 miles based on short 2 hour rides.
it is completely different to a non e-mtb so all the comparisons to a non e-MTB are silly and also manufacturers using the same parts at normal mtb is silly.
My 30 year history of MTB I learned how to get my bikes low weight and easy to climb - but all that methodology doesnt apply to E-MTB.
The bottom line is that ebikes go uphill 3 times faster than non emtb, which keeps the average MPH in the 15-18 range instead of the 9-10 average.
On Saturday I rode mine up the Cheddar Gorge 16 MPH all the way apart from really steep section when I dropped to 12MPH - Even road bikes cant keep up with on steep hills - and I am running 4KG wheels/tires.
in 150 miles I have worn 1 chain out, and on saturday I broke the rear mech lever off - as rocks fly up when you are climbing on rocky loose tracks,
So in 5 years I want Emtb to be tougher and more like a Motor cross bike with tougher heavier wheels and tires!
FWIW I don't think the speed is an issue. 15mph up a hill isn't a problem when any of us could be doing 25mph down it.
in 150 miles I have worn 1 chain out, and on saturday I broke the rear mech lever off – as rocks fly up when you are climbing on rocky loose tracks,
So in 5 years I want Emtb to be tougher and more like a Motor cross bike with tougher heavier wheels and tires!
So you can erode more climbs?
yes in my landrover that weighs 2.78 Tonne - but not on a 50lb bike...
in 150 miles I have worn 1 chain out
Very good but how is that possible?, unless you are hamfisted and perform full power shifting under load, my chain,cassette and front sprocket on my scott e-genius needed changing at near enough 4000 miles (2 years use), i could have changed it at 800 miles as the chain showed wear using the park chain checker but what's the point?, run the complete drivetrain till it wears out.
Basically with an e-bike you’d get loads more runs in,
And that won't cause more erosion ?
I know the place you mean, it's all rooty dirt tracks already.
Can’t be bothered to read the whole thread..
I was at 417 yesterday doing an uplift day. I was chatting to the driver and we got onto e-mtb’s and he gave an interesting perspective. For Uplift trail centres, e-bikes don’t really make sense. They cost an astronomical amount and you lose much of the fun on the way down due to carrying extra weight. They aren’t as playful or nimble. You also expend a lot of energy on the way up which could be used to do more descents if using the uplift.
Compare that to an uplift day, £33 a time + a £2k trail bike. Say you go once a month to a trail centre, that’s £400/yr in uplift costs. That’s about £3k (inc. bike) after 2 years but with an ebike you’d need to replace the battery at this point too for £500, so the equivalent ebike will cost you north of £4.5k.
I think ebike have their place, but as an uplift tool they don’t make sense to me.
Might as well have asked a Taxi driver about commuter cyclists TBF
I have 2 DH bikes and one Emtb. and a season pass for my local uplifts.
each DH bike cost about a grand more than my Emtb.
Uplift season pass £300
all my bikes are playful. it's as much to do with set-up as it is overall weight but my Eeb is one of the lightest 170mm travel bikes you'll find (47lb) and I purposely ride a smaller frame and run faster more nimble tyres as I want it to handle as closely to my normal bikes as possible. it's not the same, but it is close. My Emtb is actually more stable than either of my DH bikes, but has plenty pop/playfulness, My DH bikes, Enduro bike, hardtails and Eeb all get ridden similarly. popping off everything in sight, whipping manualling, drifting etc. The DH, Enduro and Eeb all do similar speeds/times top to bottom on DH tracks (on than rougher longer tracks like Ft W. (Where I'd never want to climb up Eeb or not) the DH bikes have the edge. Rightly so.
I don't mind expending energy on the way up. I also have non-Eeb hardtails, and full sussers.
I see a lot of trail riders at my local uplifts struggle to complete 6 runs and go home ruined. 14 runs are easily possible.
On my Ebike I can do 4 runs in about an hour and a half on Boost (handy when I don't have a full day or want to ride evenings
On my Ebike I can access trails that are too much of a pedal from the uplift drop off/pick up and you'd never do as it'd waste precious uplift time.
If I use Eco/trail I can ride all day picking and choosing whatever I want to ride. (The uplift accessed trails are def not all the best trails in the area)
The driver is generally talking pish about E bikes.
There's quite a lot of it about. 😉
So you can erode more climbs?
fotorat
yes in my landrover that weighs 2.78 Tonne – but not on a 50lb bike…
I refer the defendant back to his previous statement m'laud.
in 150 miles I have worn 1 chain out, and on saturday I broke the rear mech lever off – as rocks fly up when you are climbing on rocky loose tracks,
So in 5 years I want Emtb to be tougher and more like a Motor cross bike with tougher heavier wheels and tires!
"So in 5 years I want Emtb to be tougher and more like a Motor cross bike with tougher heavier wheels and tires!"
the future of tomorrow is here today but its not an Emtb its an E motorbike. .... KTM SX-E
I agree with the 15mph limit. It is useless for serious commuters but I believe the limit needs to be significantly below moped limit (28mph). I favour them being recognised as a distinct category in the law rather than coming under the moped definition. I am thinking
* CBT required (like moped)
* no MOT
* Maximum weight etc restrictions that would allow them to use some shared paths or bridleways and be transported as a "bicycle" on trains for example.
Unfortunately cyclists are a minority in this democracy compared to frothing-at-the-mouth Daily Mail readers who "get held up" by "nuisance" cyclists who "don't even pay road tax", "have no insurance" and are "unaccountable". I think fast electric "bicycles" will only hurt access and speed up compulsory number plates and insurance for ALL cycling. So I hope they can be kept separate in the public's mind.
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And that won’t cause more erosion ?
Course it will. But more biking means more erosion wherever you go.
I agree with the 15mph limit.
Stop agreeing with the 15mph limit unless you have extensive experience of riding an emtb.
Colp is right, the 15mph assistance limit is stupid. Fat lazy/unfit Emtb riders can't sustain 25mph on the flat on their derestricted Emtbs.
Perhaps the UCI are now going to have an influence on the future development of eBikes with whatever regulations/restrictions they are going to bring in.
https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/e-mtb-world-championships-380099
Any cracking offers on then for a mate ?
He wants a full bounce..
I sent him this EGenius.... but i know sod all about ebikes.
UCI can **** off
Depends what sort of riding your mate's into Weeksy. The Scott's a good bike though.
Well... I don't want to dismiss him, but it's Sherwood Pines.... Which i know he doesn't need a full bouncer for... .but it's what he wants. He's currently got a Scott HT ebike, lower spec so things like low spec Shimano components but wants more bounce now....
I don't know what Sherwood pines is.
but if he's after a full sus trail Ebike with a geometry option to set it up verging more towards Enduro handling the Scott fits that bill. The Shimano motor is great and only seems to improve with each firmware update too but he'll probably already know that.
I'm guessing from your description Sherwood is tame, Whatever he goes for make sure he tries out faster lighter 2.3-2.5 tyres as IME they improve the handling massively over the heavy plus tyre shite or OTT super draggy DH tyres a lot of Emtbs seem to come spec'd with.
"Stop agreeing with the 15mph limit unless you have extensive experience of riding an emtb."
Eh no.
Stop throwing your toys out the pram because we don't agree with your skewared me me me point of view.
Although I do have extensive use of them and even sold them for some time.
Some of us can see the bigger picture where we will all end up banned from shared use paths because of a few people razzing about at 40kph
I'd like to see a tiered system for sure. Then everyone can be happy.
geex - I have zero experience of riding an "eBike". Loads on a motorbike (motocross, road, and "adventure"). I am not disagreeing that 15mph is slow (in fact I called it useless for many riders). I am just saying faster eBikes should have a separate legal category. I would definitely buy a fast eBike if I could (legally) ride it on the towpath and CS parts of my commute* and carry it on a train.
Out of interest do you think people who don't drive extensively should be unable to comment on car speed limits and other traffic laws? What would be your threshold? 25k miles /year. and less "experienced" road users keep their mouths shut? [Yeah this last part is trolling somewhat but only to highlight how silly your premise is]
* Due to the meandering pedestrians and cyclists in central London I probably wouldn't go much above my usual ~20mph cruising speed though,
Perhaps the UCI are now going to have an influence on the future development of eBikes with whatever regulations/restrictions they are going to bring in.
In some ways it will almost need a larger body to work to develop standards because multi level regulation will severely hamper development if you need a UK, EU, US etc version
40kph isn't fast. you can easily "razz" along any flat shared path at that speed without a motor and you know it.
two wheels you're not commenting on speed limits, you're commenting on an assist limit it's a completely different thing.
whats your point ? does that make it right ?
why dont we open up the shared paths to zx6rs and rm250s at the same time.
40kph isn’t fast.
It's just shy of 25mph, it's faster than the speed limit around some schools and quiet areas.
It's close to the general speed limit for towns
It's certainly at the upper end of sensible in shared use areas, certainly around pedestrians etc.it's all about the situation and application. Of course if you want your ebike to go faster there is an easy solution, just spin the legs a bit quicker.
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That's only you Geex because you're awesome. The cat-1 roadie clubrun from town on a Sunday averages 35km/h on the other hand.
As MikeWSmith says, it's also 3mph short of the speed limit for mopeds.
Ebikes are shit.
eBikes will evolve so that there's no visible difference between them and regular bikes. I won't know whether to feel inadequate or bitter and twisted when I get overtaken on climbs.
I am just saying faster eBikes should have a separate legal category.
They do in Switzerland and the Netherlands and probably other places too. They have a number plate on and can go 45kph. In NL they are allowed on cycle paths, which I think is bonkers, but then so are mopeds driven by kids which is even more bloody stupid IMO given they can travel at the same speed as cars in urban areas, which is a damn sight quicker than most cyclists.
not true molly.
there is a 25kph limit on most dutch cycle paths which applys to the mopeds and the electric bikes too.
anything that is able to achieve more than that under its own power is subject to a yellow plate and is not allowed on a majority of cycle paths.
there are special paths outside of built up areas generally in areas that the roads have higher limits that they are allowed on - these generally do not have pedestrians on as are away from urban centres.
*source - living in Den Helder for a significant period and getting my head round the compulsory parallel path rule.
If there is actually anyone much arot on a shared use path passing them at 40km/h is out of order in most cases, frequently 30km/h pass would be too fast. Ebikes, great make them faster but don't expect to keep the same access and categorisation as a normal bike.
Club run averages?
I wasn't talking about averages at all.
Even derestricted a class 1 pedalec (Emtb) won't go any faster than a normal non motorised mtb and a non motorised roadbike will go faster than both. Average speeds don't really come into it.
I can't believe how utterly clueless some of you are, you're so naive you'd actually vote for legislation to limit Ebikes and have them needing tax, registration and CBT etc.... and can't even see how easily that would open the door for the same legislation to be attached to normal non motorised bikes.
There's not a problem at all with cycling at above 40kph on an Ebike or an non Ebike. But do continue to debate this huge problem you're made up...
I'm guessing there's nothing interesting in the chat forum for you to get all righteous and indignant over.
top time trialists can average over 50kph for 25miles.
Should they be subject to a CBT test too?
No. there are speed limits, put them on the shared paths you keep worrying about, not the bikes or the riders
Should they be subject to a CBT test too?
No. there are speed limits, put them on the shared paths you keep worrying about, not the bikes or the riders
No, it's the same basic framework as works for motorbikes, you either take a full test or do a CBT ride around on a hairdryer (upgradeable to chainsaw sound effects if you fit a 'race' slip on can) limited to 28mph. I've no problem with people commuting on e-bikes, as you say I can sit at the same pace for most of my commute.
The problem with de-restricted e-bikes on cycle paths is they're generally ridden obnoxious ****s who've cottoned on to the fact they don't need a licence for them.
Seeing as we can't legislate against obnoxious dicks (that would probably be deemed eugenics and we've reach the conclusion of Goodwins law) then keeping the restriction on e-bike speeds seems like the best compromise (and hope that one day the police seize and crush the derestricted ones being ridden by dicks).
Well now there's a can of worms.
Would registering s pedelec open the door to legislation for all....
Or (and far more likely to happen ) would folk using derestricted ebikes where ever they like (as if it looks like a bike and smells like a bike then it's a bike right) more likely to get the heckles of the general public up and lead to mass legislation .
Personally I think all we are doing by letting fast ebikes onto natural trails especially in England with their poor access as it is -is giving the red sock brigade another reason to hate us/lobby for legislation .to ban all bikes.
As Mike said you want to go faster make your wee legs pedal faster.
Dude I can pedal my BMX to a faster max speed on the flat than my Emtb and my wee legs can definitely spin faster than most. Please don't offer me advice from Mick.
Who are these obnoxious people you keep going on about?
Are you sure this isn't just some sort of weird STW snobbery? Like when folk on here complain about chavs being able to wheelie when they have a £3k bike and haven't ever put in the practice to gain the skill themselves? The fitness/lifestyle snobbery on here is weird too. Is anybody actually being obnoxious to you at all?
not true molly.
there is a 25kph limit on most dutch cycle paths which applys to the mopeds and the electric bikes too.
Ok. But most of the ones I was on last week were full of mopeds going pretty quickly. Perhaps they are the suburban ones. I saw many signs saying they were paths for both mopeds and bikes.
Dude I can pedal my BMX to a faster max speed on the flat than my Emtb and my wee legs can definitely spin faster than most. Please don’t offer me advice from Mick.
In which case why do you want faster assist on an ebike? Not sure you have made a case for it other than faster better.
I'm with Geex, the Ebike thing will open the door to ALL bikes needing licence/tax/insurance if we're not careful.
and 15.6 mph restriction is an utter joke IMO! even 20mph on any bike isn't really fast is it.
@geex - yes I was obviously commenting on the assistance limit. Not sure what your point is there either, or about average speeds. Even I can average ~20mph over 100 miles, hit 50mph on road descents and >30mph on normal roads. Yes that's faster than a moped (CBT, tax, insurance, MOT, etc required) but an un-assisted bicycle seems clearly a different category to me. On the other hand your argument seems to say we should already put the same requirements on pedals bikes as mopeds.
I don't think anyone is being self righteous or vilifying ebikers. Being purely selfish I'd love a 45kph Scott e-Genius I can keep in my flat, chuck on the train, ride on towpaths with, commute on bike paths, and not pay tax/insurance etc. I assume you include me in "utterly clueless" but believe it or not I want to avoid normal pedal bicycles becoming more regulated. By insisting that fast eBikes be treated the same as normal bikes I think you are risking that.
I agree with your point that users of shared paths should ride at a responsible speed no matter how fit or wattage their chipped eBike is but that's clearly not what's under discussion.
Basically how is a 45kph eBike different to a moped in your view? in the eyes of the public?
Mick.
to help accelerate the 47lb bike on flatter gradients when it reaches normal bike sprinting speeds
FFS!
@Lawmanmx - why have electric mopeds not opened this door already? how have the Netherlands resisted pedal bike licensing despite having a 45kph category?
OK, just to be clear it's Mike not Mick......
Maybe there is an answer there with lighter bikes and more efficient stuff then you won't need the extra power/speed to get it going...
You'll always be Mick to me. x
42lb Lappiere looks interesting. Less powerful too. which I'd take a hit on for a bike even closer to a normal bike's handling. (and still prefer a 20mph assist limit). With the current Shimano, Bosch and Brose motors and 500wh batteries they're not going to get much lighter than mine for a 170mm bike. not without compromising strength/durability or using so much carbon it'd cost twice the price.
The important thing here is if E-bike threads are evolving?
The level of e-****tery is evolving, that's for sure.
The important thing here is if E-bike threads are evolving
Not at all it would seem, still polluted with folks that don't want ebikes, are too awesome to ride one, don't want a moped, are too fit and can pedal all day anyway, and some are just a bit scared that 15mph is too fast for them....
And Mick.