Why do you keep banging on about illegally modified ebikes when all your examples are about non modified legal ebikes?
Oh i think I know the answer to this one.
It's because his Mrs got in a tangle with someone at a popular trail centre and he seized the bike and did in depth testing on it to find out it was de restricted.
That then started his campaign to seek out any ebike threads on here and tell everyone it's all the fault of those nasty ebikes.
I almost went down the same route myself after seeing a nasty car hit Mrsstu and send her straight to hospital with broken bones.
Luckily i realized that posting on every car thread about that might make me look a little strange so I didn't bother.
TJ - I agree that the article is woolly on legal/modded ebikes.
But I think this quote (from the article) is pretty clear:
Esther van Garderen, director of the Fietsersbond, a cyclists’ union, is campaigning for quick enforcement of the speed-boost ban and prohibiting fast e-bikes in bike lanes. “The problem is not normal e-bikes, but ever more souped-up bikes that are basically illegal mopeds,” she said. “In the Netherlands, since January, moped users must wear a helmet and young people don’t like this. They also need to be 16 and have a driving licence, but illegal ‘fat’ bikes are just sold, youngsters under 16 use them on the roads going at 40kph, without a helmet. This isn’t allowed, but there is no enforcement.”
Yes - so not modified but sold deresticted or speed pedelecs being used inapropriatly in the main. Just conflating legal speed pedelecs being used inappropriately, illegal ebikes being sold and modified bikes
I did earlier say " almost all examples" and should have continued to do so
Read the dutch news articles I linked to to see what the issues are with more clarity
Still irrelevant to the position in the UK as laws and infrastructure and useage are vastly different in the Netherlands
Not on a cycle path there isn’t.
In much the same way you can* legally ride a restricted petrol scooter on a cycle path – but not the unrestricted version.
Sure? Petrol mopeds on cycle paths in the Netherlands, so I assumed pedalecs were too.
IMo they are more concerned about safety but its active safety not passive safety. so good road design not helmets. So low car speed limits not hi viz
I saw just as much dodgy riding when I was there as I would in the UK. Just not involving cars, because you aren't allowed on the roads if there's a cyclepath.
Seriously, who can “cruise” on an MTB at 18mph? That’s about 40% faster than the fastest lap times at most trail centers!
Cruising speed at any given point is completely different to your average speed, surely everyone knows this?
Sure? Petrol mopeds on cycle paths in the Netherlands, so I assumed pedalecs were too
the petrol mopeds operated under a restricted license - 15mph on the cycle path - different reg plate and license required.
You're wasting your time, you're not going to win. He's a massive troll and has a repertoire of contrary subjects he will wax lyrical about:
The world is stuffed because people drive too much and emit too much CO2
Cryptocurrency is brilliant and everyone should be embracing it
Ebikes are the spawn of satan
Stop paying him any attention and hopefully one day he'll just piss off and bother someone else. He's like our own personal Mike Vandeman.
Yes, but we have special things called motorways that you basically have to be on to achieve those kind of speeds you’re talking about, and rules that prevent, say, slow old ladies walking down said motorway at the same time.
I'd say if you're going to go to a ton you'd be doing it on any road you please, motorway or not. We have a nice section of 3 lane dual carriageway near me that would do nicely, I can think of a few single carriageways as well.
Why do you keep banging on about illegally modified ebikes when all your examples are about non modified legal ebikes?
No. No they're not.
edit: And:
Yes – so not modified but sold deresticted
If you're having to do ridiculous logical flips and twists to exclude things you don't like (they're derestricted ebikes whether they're modified or sold derestricted - they're still illegal) then that pretty much shows where you're at.
they’re still illegal
No they aren’t. The illegality comes from how they are being used, not that they exist. Like cars that go over 70mph.
No they aren’t. The illegality comes from how they are being used, not that they exist. Like cars that go over 70mph.
Yes. Yes they are. If they're being used in any public space then they MUST be restricted.
You can keep one in your garage if you like. Have fun in there.
You can keep one in your garage if you like. Have fun in there.
or ride it on private land. Be that you garage, or your land, or someone else’s who lets you ride it there. Or anywhere, as long as you have the correct tax/licenses/reg/insurance
Unlike a handgun, which is illegal, regardless of what you do with it.
Lol @tomhoward. You got one then? Derestricted? Got lots of "private land" you use it on 🙂
No, no and no.
I love how the e-bike threads bring out all the insanely fit trolls.
Seriously, who can “cruise” on an MTB at 18mph? That’s about 40% faster than the fastest lap times at most trail centers!
Well maybe im a bit over estimating my speeds 😆 😆 but seriously though looking down at the speedo reading 15mph i do feel im going slower than i used to ride at. so judge it from that as i am doing.
But in all fairness, its a HT, with the nicer parts on road specific tyres. Im an urban rider, just I like a well specced bike. I suppose most people would say I'd be better suited to owning a roadbike.
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As to being an Anti Ebike troll, thats a bit misplaced because after 30 years and as many 'analogue' bikes my only bike is a Scott Genius 920 Eride. So sorry for pointing out old chap, but you appear to be totally wrong about that.
If anything at all im anti cheap nasty seriously overpriced ebike, where the manufacturers are offering a product that is wholly inadequate. Im more about a better bike for a fair price.
