Getting used like illegal mopeds for helmetless kids, or, you know, motorbikes....
What ebike scam?
So when will the scam of dickhead drivers come home to roost?
So when will the scam of dickhead drivers come home to roost?
This is reported in the Netherlands, on cycle lanes.
Interesting comment at the end about helmets reducing injuries.
“The problem is not normal e-bikes, but ever more souped-up bikes that are basically illegal mopeds,”
From the linked article,it's an illegal motorbike problem not ebike problem
No mention of a scam in that article??
Funnily enough though I was talking about the Netherlands with a cycling friend yesterday as she has just come back from there on a work trip. She went to university there also. She was saying how great the cycling was in terms of infrastructure and courtesy to cyclists - except in Amsterdam she said, where it's the opposite.
Yep, no scam - just people doing illegal things - like the 90% of car drivers than go above speed limit (including me).
The derestricted e-bikes are not exactly hard to spot in use and many have converted them to not even require pedalling at all making it even easier. Whether the police have the time or the inclination is another matter though.
To be fair, they are right to point the finger of blame at fat bike riders, not sure of the logical conclusions in this case, but they are bound to be guilty of something.
Interesting comment at the end about helmets reducing injuries.
Not really as it gives no context! 48% of nothing is still nothing afterall!
The e bikes that I worry about the really shonky home brew delivery lash ups with massive batteries, they must he a fire hazard particularly the ones with the gaffer tape battery wrapping.
From the linked article,it’s an illegal motorbike problem not ebike problem
No, it's definitely a bike problem. I see loads of illegal e-bikes around Leeds and they're always being ridden by dickheads usually on pavements or through pedestrianised areas by deliveroo employees or the like. Never seem to be pedaling....
The problem I have is, people see a bike being ridden too fast or dangerously in the wrong place and then associate it with normal cyclists or law abiding e-bike riders.
Yes they become illegal motorbikes, but they look like normal bikes, so that's what people associate them with. Po po's will do bugger all though.
Slight aside but was in London over Christmas and saw a few escooters being carried on the tube which I thought was a massive no-no for fire reasons?
The title of this thread bears almost zero relation to the news story!?
I thought it was going to be about motor reliability and replacement cost.
The title of this thread bears almost zero relation to the news story!? I thought it was going to be about motor reliability and replacement cost
This.
This is why e-bike motor manufacturers are cracking down on shops/dealers who chip bikes. Obviously not the home brew ones but Shimano and Bosch.
Still frothing yourself up OP.🤣
3kph faster than normal bicycles,
I'm outraged and so is my wife.
Common stu that was the legal ones
Fixed the clickbait headline.
The problem I have is, people see a bike being ridden too fast or dangerously in the wrong place and then associate it with normal cyclists or law abiding e-bike riders.
Thus 100% the vast majority of the public don't understand the concept of illegally modified e-bike's, they just see a bicycle.
THe local 'yoof' round here have switched from un-registered MX bikes to electric ones. At least with the engines you could hear them - now they come past popping wheelies at 40mph weaving in and out of traffic, in total silence.
Two of them got wiped out last year at the end of the road. A driver had acidentally pulled out from a limited view side raod as these two whizzed along at speed. It was serious, as the road was closed. It ended up posted on facebook, and a relative responded. The 'lads' weren't kids, and in their 20's. Both illegal electric MX bikes and the convo descended into the usual village idiot bun fest.
The other thing is that these bikes can't stop from speed - most have poor quality components. My MTB has far superior brakes and I'm never really getting that above 25-30 on the road (down a big hill) ever.
Crap ebikes are pretty widespread in this corner of London, my commute see masses of them, at that time of day it’s all builders on lash up jobs. One I spoke to this week said his was virtually a motorbike as it had no chain and was derestricted. As the day wears on it’s deliveroo riders.
They are a bit of a menace, poorly / illegally riddden, probably not sufficiently breaker for the speeds they hit and generally shonky, but I suspect the police have more than enough to do do.
I've not been in Amsterdam recently but it's not a problem I've noticed in quieter parts of the Netherlands. They already allow mopeds on cycle paths which i always found a bit silly as they go much faster than what you expect a cyclist to travelling at. I can see that unrestricted ebikes would be the same.
The problem I have is, people see a bike being ridden too fast or dangerously in the wrong place and then associate it with normal cyclists or law abiding e-bike riders.
Yes they become illegal motorbikes, but they look like normal bikes, so that’s what people associate them with.
The problem there is the person making the association. I see some overpowered cars going over speed limits and doing stupid things but I don't associate that problem with all cars?
What @ads678 said - there are loads of de-restricted ebikes around - which, like the article said, are just unlicenced mopeds and motorcycles that kids can get their hands on, without a licence, and drive amongst us.
They're dangerous. They're heavy and they're used where legitimate cycle and pedestrian traffic should be.
@drac - I know why you've done it but I don't appreciate you changing the thread title. The "scam" is that "ebike" manufacturers know damn well that a large proportion of the motorbikes they sell are only going to be sold because customers know they can be de-restricted.
It's trivial to design them in a way that cannot be de-restricted - and therefore remain legal and officially "not a problem" - but they've taken a leaf out of the definitely-not-corrupt motor industry and are driving sales full in the knowledge that they're enabling easy law-breaking and compromising the safety of the law-abiding.
This was obvious from the get-go. It's just taken a while to get a tiny bit of coverage in the mainstream media.
And singletrack world members? Many of you are part of the problem. How many threads and posts on here have we had specifically asking how to de-restrict your ebikes? About which ebikes are easiest to de-restrict when people are making purchasing decisions? Posts by people saying "the only risk is to them" - ignoring the accidents they can and do cause. Posts about the "stupidity" of the speed restrictions. And, significantly, the number of people who assist, enable and support these people when posting about it - beating down and disregarding legitimate objections.
There are absolutely sensible ebike users - and on this forum. And leaving aside that even legitimate ebikes come with issues (that ebike evangelists refuse to acknowledge) - there is a significant problem here.
The scam is that the industry knows this. That it's making a lot of profit from it and that it doesn't care. And that we all know this is true.
For those that want to rage at the above or engage in whataboutism (fix cars first??! Really??!): I refer you not-so-honourable-gentlemen to the article I posted earlier.
You keep using this word scam, I don’t think it mean what you think it means.
How many threads and posts on here have we had specifically asking how to de-restrict your ebikes?
I don't know, how many?
Can you link to some, because I can't remember any, certainly not recently.
It’s trivial to design them in a way that cannot be de-restricted
I see a great future for you as an electronics engineer at Shimano, Bosch, Brose, Mahle or any of the other mainstream motor manufacturers as none of their current staff has managed it.
Can you link to some, because I can’t remember any, certainly not recently.
They’ll be deleted as soon as reported.
Sur-ron's and the like being used in public places = yep froth away Chevychase
'hacked' 250w normal ebikes including mine = 🤷♂️/meh
If you believe something enough, it becomes true, apparently.
yeah, go on then, how? 🤔It’s trivial to design them in a way that cannot be de-restricted
I find it funny a bitcoin Ponzi evangelist talking about the great ebike scam. Lol.
I was in the Netherlands last summer. I didnt see a single illegal ebike.
The biggest issue with injuries is pensioners on legal ebikes riding beyond their skillset and crashing. Also the speed differential between legal ebikes and the usual dutch pootler
In the uk the main danger or antisocial riding i see is delivery riders. It seems to matter not if they are assisted or not.
Im fully in favour of zero tolerance to all illegal behaviour on the roads. They would be empty of cars in weeks as all drivers got banned
I don't live in the Netherlands, but I live somewhere with mixed use bike paths and I see plenty of obviously chipped bikes and they're a dangerous p.i.t.a., so good luck to them. Singlespeedstu might be tough enough not to be bothered but I don't want badly ridden lumps of metal doing 40kmh that close to me.
I'd agree with tj above that there's a secondary issue of pensioners overdoing it and stacking up... especially when they pile it on going into tunnels and underpasses.
Think I've missed threads where people are asking about derestricting ebikes.
Biggest issue I've seen is deliveroo riders in Manchester. Riding full pelt on footpaths dodging pedestrians.
Anyway think this video will get you frothing a bit more
Stealth edit 🧐
Can you link to some, because I can’t remember any, certainly not recently.
They’ll be deleted as soon as reported.
Ah, fair enough, but that also means the OP is unlikely to have seen any.
Edit, I should just point out, I'm no great fan of ebikes, but neither do I like to see misrepresentative statements posted on here.
Ah, fair enough, but that also means the OP is unlikely to have seen any.
Precisely. There has been hardly any.
Sur-ron’s and the like being used in public places = yep froth away Chevychase
‘hacked’ 250w normal ebikes including mine = 🤷♂️/meh
That’s the second time in a week I’ve seen a post on here from some one saying that it’s ok that they’ve turned e-bike into an illegal moped
Which means on single track I am being encouraged, in at least a minor way, to think it’s ok to chip an ebike
The problem for global bike manufacturers is that the bike are built to one design and then chipped to comply with local laws.
A few seizure events at popular riding spots like trail centres would probably put people off 😉
Crap ebikes are pretty widespread in this corner of London, my commute see masses of them, at that time of day it’s all builders on lash up jobs. One I spoke to this week said his was virtually a motorbike as it had no chain and was derestricted. As the day wears on it’s deliveroo riders.
They are a bit of a menace, poorly / illegally riddden, probably not sufficiently breaker for the speeds they hit and generally shonky, but I suspect the police have more than enough to do do.
Completely agree with all of this. Most of the illegal ones aren't actually that quick, though someone flew past me today on the shared use bit of Park Lane cycleway.
They're stupid, they're illegal, but *most* of the time they're on the road where my view is they're less dangerous than completely legal scooters or motorbikes which can (and are) ridden dangerously and at much higher speeds and are significantly heavier than e-bikes.
I see a great future for you as an electronics engineer at Shimano, Bosch, Brose, Mahle or any of the other mainstream motor manufacturers as none of their current staff has managed it.
and while you're at it can you build an un-breakable/pickable/cutt-able lock for me...
That’s the second time in a week I’ve seen a post on here from some one saying that it’s ok that they’ve turned e-bike into an illegal moped
Yep. Funny isn't it. Yet people in this very thread (including mods) are claiming that they've never seen it.
A criminal admitting it in front of their own eyes but three posts down and still they can't see it.
Funny 🙂
When you actually read that article almost none of the incidents have anything to do with modified E bikes.
Its all much as i said. Its poor sensationalist journalism
That’s the second time in a week I’ve seen a post on here from some one saying that it’s ok that they’ve turned e-bike into an illegal moped
My fully mudguarded built in lights (ie mega heavy) commuter now does ~20mph. Yes it's technically illegal - I'm fine with it.
A criminal admitting it in front of their own eyes but three posts down and still they can’t see it.
Will you visit me in prison?
The e bikes that I worry about the really shonky home brew delivery lash ups with massive batteries, they must be a fire hazard
They certainly are. This was round the corner from me the other month
That’s the second time in a week I’ve seen a post on here from some one saying that it’s ok that they’ve turned e-bike into an illegal moped
Yep. Funny isn’t it. Yet people in this very thread (including mods) are claiming that they’ve never seen it.
Funny thing what you claimed was
And singletrack world members? Many of you are part of the problem. How many threads and posts on here have we had specifically asking how to de-restrict your ebikes?
What I said is if they’re reported they are deleted. I’ve not seen any posts saying how to specifically de-restrict them recently. It would seem neither have you. You seem to have a hate for e-bikes and like to make sensational claims about them.
I’m fine with it
I know you are. All of the people who illegally modify their bikes are. Yet, like I said in my post..
Posts by people saying “the only risk is to them” – ignoring the accidents they can and do cause
...you're this sort of person. I.E. the sort of person who doesn't care about other people - or only cares about them as long as it doesn't get in the way of your enjoyment.
But like Mr Beerepoot, "a counsellor at a medical rehabilitation centre in Amsterdam working with people with brain injuries" said:
We noticed in the last year more and more e-bike accidents. It’s not only the people on the bike but people on the bike path who are hit by the bikes that are just going too fast
I guess most people in the Netherlands don't benefit from being fully padded up and wearing a full-face helmet when they get hit by derestricted ebikes, like my missus has been.
Twice.
but people on the bike path who are hit by the bikes that are just going too fast
those bikes are not modified
the thing you miss is on Netherlands bike paths most conventional bikes are doing 7-10 mph. Ebikes 15. Its that speed differential that causes accidents not modified bikes
I have ridden hundreds of miles in both Dutch cities and countryside and never seen a modified ebike. However unmodified ones are still much aster than most cyclists ride there and the ebikes are usually ridden by retired folk who have not ridden for decades.
thats a real issue. Modified ebikes are not in the netherlands
Modified ebikes maybe an issue in the UK. riding like a numpty ebike or not certainly is in the UK
the dutch do not by and large break the rules.
So was your missus hit by modified ebikes in the netherlands?Have you ridden in the netherlands?
Interesting take @tjagain - that your OK with your anecdotal evidence trumping that of medical professionals in the Netherlands - especially the ones who say normal ebikes aren't the problem and derestricted ones are.
Regardless - to my point about the industry glamourising derestricted ebikes - that they're not even hush-hush but plain-sight:
...Q.E.D.
Apart from thats not what those medical professionals say. they say its the speed differential thats the issue which occurs between legal ebikes and the usual dutch cyclists. there is a a result a move to restrict ebikes to 15 kph in cities.
Seeing as your argument is about he netherlands I ask you again. Was it in the netherlands your missus got hit? have you ridden in the netherlands?
Or are you reading into that article what you want to read into it? It makes no distinction between modified andunmodified and all the incidents it uses as examples are to do with unmodifed
As above - I think modified ebikes can be an issue in UK cities. They are not in the netherlands.
If it doesn’t need pedalling it’s an e-motorbike but of course that isn’t good enough to get cyclists frothing so let’s call them e-bikes. We all know a derestricted e-bike still needs the rider to pedal and is much more dangerous at 20mph than a non e-bike doing 20mph 🙄
I know you are. All of the people who illegally modify their bikes are. Yet, like I said in my post.
yep my boat anchor is safer at ~20mph keeping up with traffic than the 15mph cut off. It's 1st gen Shimano 6000 and pretty much unpedallable above 15mph.
I still haven't crashed into anyone.
I haven't read the article but I have ridden in the Netherlands a fair bit. What struck me was a very relaxed attitude towards safety. Lots of stuff that would get you roundly moaned at on here. Maybe the Dutch aren't all saints after all just because they cycle a lot, and are in fact just fairly normal people?
Also, in the Netherlands as in much of Europe there is another category of legal e-bikes which does 45kph and has a registration and insurance. Quick, unmodified and legal. And ripping around a cyclepath at 45kph can be pretty unsafe if done irresponsibly just like an illegal be bike in the UK.
Its just a different attitude. IMo they are more concerned about safety but its active safety not passive safety. so good road design not helmets. So low car speed limits not hi viz
amsrterdam is increasing the number of 30kph limits to improve cycle safety. You almost never share a road with cars going over 30 kph. cycles have priority over cars in urban areas
safety is seen as something you design into roads and cycleways not something that cyclists do by what they wear
How do I change a thread title? It could help me with the frustration I feel from titles that refer to “confectionery” based bike theft for starters!
Also, in the Netherlands as in much of Europe there is another category of legal e-bikes which does 45kph and has a registration and insurance. Quick, unmodified and legal. And ripping around a cyclepath at 45kph can be pretty unsafe if done irresponsibly just like an illegal be bike in the UK.
Not on a cycle path there isn't.
In much the same way you can* legally ride a restricted petrol scooter on a cycle path - but not the unrestricted version.
*Well you could when I lived in den helder.
So much banding about of 'illegal' like these things are dragsters doing 50 in a 30. Most de-restricted are going at 25, though usually less.
One thing that annoys me about my Ebike is the 15.5mph, though in truth the motor clicks off at about 16.1mph, and thats factory, nowt to do with me.
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But even then thats slower than even my unfit bod would ride a standard reasonably heavy mtb(about 28lbs) I'd say my usual cruising speed there is 16-20mph, with the occasional blast at 25+mph, so i feel the Emtb is actually holding me back.
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Sure I suppose on average over a longer distance where my energy levels drop, it probably evens out to about 15mph, but i still feel like that is slow and the restrictions are holding me back.
If I were to derestrict mine to go at ab.out 20mph, that would probably, though illegal, still be completely safe to ride, and maybe a little bit safer in usual traffic.
Plus, like many here my brakes and kit are spot on and capable of stopping me at speed. Plus im long enough in the tooth in commuting to A. Be able to read the conditions and react accordingly, and B. Not to bust the arse out it by bombing along a pavement or precinct at anything over 9 or 10mh.
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But all this is pretty meaning;less given the most basic of basic small cars have a top speed close to 100mph, and few of them if any are capable of stopping at any sort of safe distance at those kind of speeds, nor are the cars themselves capable of surviving such an accident intact. Yet, these are perfectly legal, and I've yet to see a thread on here lambasting them because of their obvious deficiencies.
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SO. Cars- of any brand or make can have the ability of breaking the speed limits , which is obviously illegal, but Ebikes must never, ever, how very dare they have the same option, even though we're nowhere near comparing their speeds. Also illegal yes, but on a logical level, the restrictions are themselves illogical.
It is the rider(or driver) not the vehicle itself.
With these facts in mind, i wonder then why the reactions from people on this thread.
For the record I am against de-restricting being an easy thing to do, mainly because many Ebikes today have poor components in the side of safety - brakes, so if unrestricted, stopping would likely be beyond safe distances. But thats thee only reason. Each(as with cars) have the responsibility themselves, not a nanny state.
Now. Who here believes in a nanny state ?. What ??? 😕 None of you.....how odd in light of the above answers(rants)
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If I were to derestrict mine to go at ab.out 20mph, that would probably, though illegal, still be completely safe to ride, and maybe a little bit safer in usual traffic.
And still within the town centre speed limit.
And still within the town centre speed limit
TBH the 20mph on the road probably isn’t a big deal but it wouldn’t be used solely on the road,it would be used on real cycling infrastructure mixed with people pootling around.
(I think the fat bikes were being singled out as there seems to be a lot of folding fat bikes being marketed at a around the £1k price that are good for 27 mph+)
Like the engwe Hambini had.
So much banding about of ‘illegal’ like these things are dragsters doing 50 in a 30. Most de-restricted are going at 25, though usually less.
TBH they could well be thou :-),the brand I’ve mentioned have reviewers talking about 40-45 MPH speeds although the official declared max speed are way lower.
(Tbh I did contemplate getting one for a run around as they are cheap compared to the nice specalized’s but I’m a bike tart and they is well fugly and too naughty)
So much banding about of ‘illegal’ like these things are dragsters doing 50 in a 30. Most de-restricted are going at 25, though usually less.
The yoof I see pretty much every day coming in the opposite direction to me on his ebike seems to making fairly good progress down the outside lane of the dual carriageway with no helmet when I see him, I'm pretty sure he's not doing 15.2mph.
SO. Cars- of any brand or make can have the ability of breaking the speed limits , which is obviously illegal, but Ebikes must never, ever, how very dare they have the same option, even though we’re nowhere near comparing their speeds. Also illegal yes, but on a logical level, the restrictions are themselves illogical.
Yes, but we have special things called motorways that you basically have to be on to achieve those kind of speeds you're talking about, and rules that prevent, say, slow old ladies walking down said motorway at the same time. I'm guessing most of the issue people have with (derestricted) ebikes is they're still used on paths and pedestrian areas and the speed differential (and heft of the bikes) becomes more of an issue.
As above, I kinda don't mind some idiot plowing into an HGV doing 40mph on his ebike, if he wants to wear a balaclava as head protection then so be it. Doing the same on a pavement with other pedestrians is the problem.
Yep. More people complaining that 15.5mph is poop and they can do that on a "normal" bike and look at cars eh? They go 100mph! And nobody complains!
So, get yourself a proper motorbike or electric moped, a licence, insurance and get yourself on the road - and away from cycle lanes, pavements and slower moving actual real bike and pedestrian traffic.
End of.
Its really not the end of
Both the journalist writing that article and you have totally misrepresented what is happening in the netherlands and used that misunderstanding to further their fight against ebikes
As I have explained. The issue in the netherlands is legal ebikes mixing with non ebikes with a large speed differential causing accidents on their crowded cycleways
there is a a result a campaign to reduce the speed of ebikes from 25 kph to 15 kph
Illegally modified ebikes is simply not an issue there
Here conditions are very different. We do not have all the segregated cycleways and we do not have the bicycle congestion that happens in the netherlands
Last time i was there I was riding at around 20 kph so constantly overtaking the majority of cyclists who do around 15 kph. it becomes like a car overtake - wait for a gap in the stream of bikes coming towards you then look behind and overtake when clear both in front and behind. Often when you glance behind there is a granny on a legal ebike doing 25kph about to overtake you. the biggest rise in injuries is retired folk on legal ebikes crashing
Thats what the issue is there and why they are considering a reduction in the legal ebike speed limit. Nothing to do with illegally modified ebikes
The issue in the netherlands is legal ebikes mixing with non ebikes
Not what is being said. The thrust of the argument is the age old basic physics that we know to be true - that differentials in speed are dangerous - be that in cars, bikes, pedestrians mixing with runners - whatever it is. It's the differential in speed that's the problem.
The whole article is about "souped-up" ebikes. About de-restricted ebikes. Because they have a higher differential of speed than normal run-of-the-mill ebikes.
The fact that you are trying, very hard, to undermine the total thrust of the article, that you're specifically trying to contain the converstaion to the Netherlands alone (which is ridiculous) makes me think you've got a derestricted ebike.
Have you?
No - I just like the truth
Read the article again. None of the incidents or quote are about modified ebike. Like you it conflated speed differentials with legal e bikes and none bikes with modified ebikes
the reason I am pushing on the netherlands aspect is that conditions over thereare very different and you are using a debate about the legal speed limit which is what is being debated in the netherlands to back your arguement about modified ebikes in the UK
so - have you ridden in the netherlands? Did your girlfriend get hit in the Netherlands? If no why is this article about the netherlands relevant to yor arguement?
I know journalists in the netherlands who are involved in this debate. this is why I know modified ebikes are not the issue there
there is an issue with ebikes that are being sold that are illegal. Again not the same issue as modified
It's dangerous riding restricted off road when jumps etc are on trails. Say a little 7ft gap, the flat speed needed is just above the restriction. You pedal and the asset drops out, you don't make distance . I think 20/25 mph cap is sensible
Funny. The issue is in the older generation according to you - and according to your own link it's the older generation who really like the modified ebikes.
You're arguing against the basic physics and disregarding what's actually being said (that derestricted ebikes lead to more accidents). Your attempted limiting of discussion to the netherlands (and to what journalists, not medical professionals are saying) is bizarre considering that whilst there's a lot more cyclists in the Netherlands as we move to a more-cycling model the UK will start to more closely resemble the netherlands in usage (and infrastructure) as time goes on. So it's relevant.
How about the United States? (from Reuters and The Journal of Injury Prevention)
E-bike-related injuries were also more than three times more likely to involve a collision with a pedestrian than either pedal bicycles (OR=3.3, 95% CI 0.5 to 23.6)
Three times more likely to hit a pedestrian. More than three times.
Let that sit there for a while.
That's not counting derestricted ebikes. That's just plain ebikes. But we know the basic physics - the speed differential bit - so derestriction is more dangerous than not.
@jedi - I absolutely get that point 100%.
However, who takes an ebike and only ever rides it offroad? (I mean, you might, given your proclivities - but 99% of people won't).
Unfortunately, your argument for a 20/25mph cap on ebikes so they can make jumps better disregards the basic fact that speed differentials in the, lets say, "normal world" are dangerous. - so the increased cap would be more dangerous to more people.
nothing to do with all the arguments already made but I (beach) race a few times each year in BEL & NED and the private shame I feel at being overtaken by countless OAPs as I drag myself (normally into a bettering headwind) back to HQ after turning myself inside for the previous couple of hours means I'd be in favour of banning everything, or at least limiting them to about the 8mph I'm normally capable of by then.
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It’s dangerous riding restricted off road when jumps etc are on trails. Say a little 7ft gap, the flat speed needed is just above the restriction. You pedal and the asset drops out, you don’t make distance . I think 20/25 mph cap is sensible
go round the obstacle that you are ill-equipped to ride. in the same way i might if i was riding say an 80mm XC race bike....
Chevy. they are NOT modified. They are speed pedelecs. Legal ebikes with a higher speed limit.
US ebikies are legal at 1000w with a higher speed limit. ( I can't remeber exactly) so once again nowt to do with the UK experience or the Dutch one.
But even then thats slower than even my unfit bod would ride a standard reasonably heavy mtb(about 28lbs) I’d say my usual cruising speed there is 16-20mph, with the occasional blast at 25+mph, so i feel the Emtb is actually holding me back.
I love how the e-bike threads bring out all the insanely fit trolls.
Seriously, who can "cruise" on an MTB at 18mph? That's about 40% faster than the fastest lap times at most trail centers!
Seriously, who can “cruise” on an MTB at 18mph? That’s about 40% faster than the fastest lap times at most trail centers!
Yep. My fastest "MTB" ride was in 2013. I'd taken a year off work and ridden about 25 miles a day, most days. I caught up with an old pal who professed being a roadie - who asked me if I fancied a ride. I said yes if he didn't mind going slow for me as I'd be on my (Mk2) Solaris.
He planned a 60 mile route (which, shockingly for me, had a section (single junction) of dual carriageway) - and I pushed my arse off for the whole thing.
He bonked and I didn't (which pleased me greatly) - but I still only managed to average 16mph. (Had 2.2" Conti mountain kings on - so bit of resistence).
There's still relevance @tjagain (it's 20mph limit in the US). So maybe that more than three comes down to twice as likely eh? It doesn't take much digging into UK accident statistics to show an emerging trend that ebikes are involved in both more accidents and more serious accidents as a percentage of journeys than normal bikes.
Why do you keep banging on about illegally modified ebikes when all your examples are about non modified legal ebikes? why do you keep on using examples of legal ebikes in other countries to try to make your point about illegally modified ebikes in the UK where conditions are very differnt?
its almost as if you have an agenda
From an environmental perspective, if a derestricted eBike gets someone out of a car and onto a bike, isn't it a good thing? I feel like we're being asked to get upset at other cyclists, distracting from the real issue (how cars dominate capitalist societies). I imagine gig-economy delivery riders have a pretty difficult life. I'm OK with them getting around a bit faster (It means my pizza is still warm when I get it).
Seriously, who can “cruise” on an MTB at 18mph? That’s about 40% faster than the fastest lap times at most trail centers!
Yes, I raised an eyebrow at that. But either way, derestricted eBike are annoying when I'm trying to race them on my non-e commute. For that reason alone, anyone who derestricts them should be banned, fined and then shot.
/s because I am finding it increasingly hard to recognise sarcasm.
I love how the e-bike threads bring out all the insanely fit trolls.
Do have to wonder why they bother with e-bikes. Personally if I was cruising at 20mph I would probably use it to train seriously and see how I do as a serious roadie.
I feel like we’re being asked to get upset at other cyclists
They arent cyclists though. They are people riding, often unsafe, motorbikes.
