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Do you know who that was??!!
Ronnie Pickering!!
Cyclist was a knob. Trucky wasn't much better.
Jeez. A bit of forgiveness wouldn't have gone amiss there. 😯
I liked the bit where the cyclist couldn't get his backpack back on. The rest of it just makes me despair for the human race.
worst fight ever.
... and who picked that as a soundtrack to the video??
What did the driver actually do? I have the sound off and I've also skipped ahead, what did I miss?
What a great somethingion of modern Britain.
Stressed and angry people bickering and fighting between themselves to the tune of inane sports celebrity chatter. Is this a Banksy installation?
Pair of oxygen thieves ,worlds ****ed simple as
What did the driver actually do?
From what I can tell the driver decided to prove his point by keeping the cyclist trapped in a dangerous road position.
Thankfully as demonstrated by that taxi/cyclist collision video that is doing the rounds not everyone on the roads is looking for a conflict (although it sometimes feels like it) and mistakes can sometimes be sorted with a handshake.
... and who picked that as a soundtrack to the video??
it was the radio on in the cab
What did the driver actually do? I have the sound off and I've also skipped ahead, what did I miss?
the chap riding the bike with attidude was overtaking the lgv
What did the driver actually do?
Text says cyclist was in right hand lane at junction (behind white van which merged in front of truck)
Cyclist obviously presumed lorry should have waited to let him in front? (sound off also).
From what I can tell the driver decided to prove his point by keeping the cyclist trapped in a dangerous road position.
Were both lanes straight on then? cant tell from video, also cant tell how much cyclist was alongside or why he thought he should also be allowed to merge in front of lorry?
It was a bad move by the cyclist to start with trying to jump the traffic at the lights, but the driver sees him and keeps the cyclist trapped on the outside for ages while mouthing off (which they both seem quite eager to do), cyclist could have stopped in the middle of the road and let the truck drive off, but that doesn't feel like it would be a safe manoeuvre either.
daft from both of them but not sure why the cyclist tried to out race a truck from the light or not give up when they were losing
As for the "fight" FFS that was terrible on so many levels not least of which was ability to actually fight which was matched only by the point of the fight
Cyclist started it , truck driver was equally a nobhead but the cyclist started it - assuming the cyclist tries to overtake from the lights
Putting aside what went on before....
Why on earth would you pick a fight with an HGV... ?
How could that have resulted any differently ??
but the driver keeps the cyclist trapped on the outside for ages
but by the time the lorry has got half way into the junction to realise the cyclist is staying alongside there is already not enough space (short of the lorry doing an emergency stop) to let the cyclist catch up and get infront. So if the cyclist did decide to stay alongside at that point (and we dont know if he did) then youve already gone across the rest of the junction in the time it takes for the driver to confirm this, so as he was (still) in front of the cyclist stopping the lorry would have done nothing.
that fight gets worse every time i watch it
I don't [i]necessarily[/i] want to imply that either protagonist isn't behaving like a bit of a bumcandle, but I note that when the van/lorry is stationary at the beginning of the video you can hear someone banging on it (from 0:32).
Which, if you ask me, implies that something happened prior to the start of the video.
I suspect we may only have a potentially small part of the story here.
Is this some kind of budget British set version of Grand Theft Auto?
but by the time the lorry has got half way into the junction to realise the cyclist is staying alongside there is already not enough space (short of the lorry doing an emergency stop) to let the cyclist catch up and get infront
Listen to the sound, there is a conversation (of a kind) going on between the driver and the cyclist while moving.
Was this that Ultra White Collar boxing thingy with pondo ?
Listen to the sound, there is a conversation (of a kind) going on between the driver and the cyclist while moving.
Just played it again, conversation well after the junction. Nothing before that. Agreed at that point the lorry driver could (should) have conceded ground for safety but he was well through the point at which the a merge should have happened. Having heard it the cyclist is definitely a prat for trying the force the overtake completely past the point at which he could (should!) have conceded (at the end of the box junction) for his own safety.
What we need is the right to bear arms
The white transit van is in a lane thats right turn only,
Lights change,
Van is quicker than HGV and manages to nip in front.
Ricky Hatton on the other hand is not, as the lane narrows he,s pinched on the outside
The roads narrows and battle commences.
Knob^Knob...
Not happy with the soundtrack. I was deeply disturbed by it 🙁
What's up with the pedestrian at the end having a go at the cycling numpty?
As bewildering as that video is, I find it strange that the HGV driver had 'no issues' with the white van abusing the 'right turn' lane, but took exception to the cyclist doing it (both van and cyclist were out of order, though)
Tribalism, I suppose.
[quote=houndlegs opined]Was this that Ultra White Collar boxing thingy with pondo ?
no this was Ultra shite boxing
Cyclist has clearly lost the plot but there is something going on at the lights. The lorry keeps edging forward either to block someone in the outside lane, or because the cyclist wants a word. You also see a brief reflection in the window of the car in front.
The fact the video doesn't show anything before this is a clue there has already been some sort of interaction between fistycuffs cyclist and bolshy trucker.
The fact the video doesn't show anything before this is a clue there has already been some sort of interaction between fistycuffs cyclist and bolshy trucker.
Or that nothing happened before this point 😮
Given that none of the video makes sense though, I'd be inclined to believe there's more to it.
[quote=Bez ]I don't necessarily want to imply that either protagonist isn't behaving like a bit of a bumcandle, but I note that when the van/lorry is stationary at the beginning of the video you can hear someone banging on it (from 0:32).Isn't that just some noise from the skip lorry passing by? It certainly gets louder as it approaches and then fades as it passes.
Cyclist was a prick. The first part of the "fight" appears to be the driver just holding the cyclist back while he makes some pretty ineffectual swings with his fist. I'm guessing the driver had to get out of the cab to move the bike that had been lent up against it.
Isn't that just some noise from the skip lorry passing by? It certainly gets louder as it approaches and then fades as it passes.
I don't think it's that. You hear it again at 0:44 and then when the cyclist appears to thump the cab at 1:20 there's a very similar noise. Then at 1:35 another similar noise, which—given that the driver appears in shot a couple of seconds later—could well be the driver's door shutting: something which would have a broadly similar effect on an internal mic.
Could be something else making the noise, of course. I'd just be rather cautious about assuming that this video's the whole story. Might be, might not.
Anyway, where's Ronnie Pickering when you need him, eh?
F*** knows what the cyclist was doing in that lane/position to go straight on...
However when it comes to the fight, I'm damn sure that if a driver gets out of his vehicle then the rider can take that as a sign that he is fully justified in striking first (pre-emptive self defence).
[quote=ninfan ]I'm damn sure that if a driver gets out of his vehicle then the rider can take that as a sign that he is fully justified in striking first (pre-emptive self defence).Unless the driver had to get out for another reason - like moving the bike away.
arrrrr yes sunny South Reddish always a good spot for a wee punch up, surprised the locals didn't give-em both a good shoeing.
Ninfan,does that mean the cyclist can then walk towards him,throw a punch and then continue to throw them,without reply until the driver sweeps his legs away? If the cyclist was in the right and had carried out "pre-emptive self defence" why was he so keen to clear off at the end? Actually we don't have enough comparisons to rape apologists for anybody suggesting the cyclist is a cock, where is Aracer? Usual speculation here about what might have happened before,because obviously no cyclist can be in the wrong.
The cyclist is the worst advert for cycling and brings shame on us all,the trucker shows huge restraint and just holds him in view of the camera for future prosecution i hope he gets whats comming its common assault.
Humanity at its finest!
Happy slapping one another in the street over some traffic based disagreement, then posting it on YouTube for a court of uninformed to pontificate and argue about...
What an utterly magnificent species we are becoming...
There is a advanced stop line there for the cyclist, all the aggro could have been avoided if he put himself in the right place or just held back and joined behind the van,
On that road theres several more lights/pedestrian crossings where he could more than likely still got safely past the truck.
wicki - Member
The cyclist is the worst advert for cycling and brings shame on us all
yep I've already got a list of all LGV/HGV drivers in the world and to convince them that all cyclists are really nice people I'll be sending them all Xmas cards personally apologising for all my best mates, bro's and sisters for getting on bikes and daring to ride them in the same universe
thinking of doing easter eggs for taxi drivers
I reckon truck-wazzock has blocked the inside path to the ASL so bike-git has gone around the outside and remonstrated, setting the whole incident off.
I reckon truck-wazzock has blocked the inside path to the ASL so bike-git has gone around the outside and remonstrated,
1. There is no 'inside path' i.e. cycle lane to that ASL.
2. you dont HAVE to get to an ASL, they are there to allow you to position yourself in the centre of a lane through a junction IF you happen to be alongside a vehicle when you get to the stop line. He could have achieved this position in the lane by positioning himself in the centre of the lane BEHIND the lorry.
i think this is a case of 2 bellends squared.
the best place to be it behind the lorry getting a free draft, trying to get past it is just plain daft
1. I know - Ididn't mean cycle path, just 'the way through'
2. I know - but he didn't
EDIT - in light of below, no offence taken
thestabiliser
Apologies, saw the 'truck-wazzock' but not 'bike-git' and presumed you were siding with cyclist as done nothing wrong. Missunderstood your post.
Usual speculation here about what might have happened before,because obviously no cyclist can be in the wrong.
Well there is a very limited number of folk and tbh the video is not that conclusive
As far as i can see the consensus is they were both being dicks and we are not sure what happened to start it/who is the biggest dick
PS straw man no one has ever on here said a cyclist can do no wrong.
He could have achieved this position in the lane by positioning himself in the centre of the lane BEHIND the lorry.
That would be the obvious and sensible thing to do. It's probably what I would've done. It could just be that he was making his way up to the ASL on the right hand side though, and lights changed before he got there. Easily done.
Tribalism, I suppose.
I read that as "tribadism".
Which kinda makes sense, seeing they're a pair of canutes.
Suppose i've now joined the road rage dickhead brigade, as I have just come away from the first time i've left my car to remonstrate with another driver at traffic lights...I was seething.
It's rather scary when that red mist descends, and im pretty embarrassed about my behaviour...I bet he isn't.
White ranger Rover, private reg....driving like a bully. I hope he get leprosy and his tiny willy falls off.
And lo; Junkyard did return from Big Hitters mountain and proclaimed unto the benighted masses; "straw man no one has ever on here said a cyclist can do no wrong."
Not really, it was in answer to the "imagine if" posts early on in the thread. Bearing in mind the sort of contributor that crawls out for the likes of the olympic bike protest or the "kicked the Audi/got punched" threads, it was only a small step till somebody pointed out that (off camera) the driver had just run over a baby robin,or the driver MUST have done something to provoke the cyclist. A lot of the contributors on any bike v car thread reinforce the clear hostility between us. And yes, I have been doored/knocked off by a car etc.
cyclist cant punch for toffee can he. Truck driver shows restraint, then gets fed up and takes him down in a jiffy.
Moral of story is don't mess with hairy truckers if you are a 10 stone weakling. Its a shame he didn't give him a good shoeing after being punched numerous times. Cyclist entirely to blame if you ask me.
However when it comes to the fight, I'm damn sure that if a driver gets out of his vehicle then the rider can take that as a sign that he is fully justified in striking first (pre-emptive self defence).
what are you on about? is that the way you behave on the road?
The radio soundtrack was better than the fight. Very poor.
Unless the driver had to get out for another reason - like moving the bike away.
Or discussing things, however heated.
Some folk are odd in life.
well if he'd tried to pass on the left of the truck he'd be garnering 'darwinism' comments. (making no comments about the need/reason/inadvisability of passing the lgv - just pointing out a reason for being on the right)F*** knows what the cyclist was doing in that lane/position to go straight on...
because of course whenever someone posts a youtube clip of a driver performing a quite obvious 'punishment' maneuver on a cyclist [i]no one ever says[/i] "well he must have done something to deserve it, bloody helmet cam warriors"Usual speculation here about what might have happened before,because obviously no cyclist can be in the wrong.
pair of dicks.
I always keep well away from trucks. if it looks like i'm going to get caught in no mans land i back right off and wait.
being right doesn't mean much when you're dead
What punishment maneuver? Posters on page one of this thread are reduced to speculating what happened before the footage to make a case for the cyclist.
Can you reference a post on STW of somebody suggesting punishment passes are okay? Take your time,key word in the post I made was "here"
Or maybe you could speculate like your comment on Darwinism? Speculate in this instance being "make stuff up"
Tell you what, that cyclist shouldnt start any more fights 🙄
seemingly no punishment maneuver here, I didn't say there was, neither did I suggest anyone states punishment passes are ok, we do get plenty of "driver was in the wrong but..." posts on the helmet cam vids tho.What punishment maneuver?... Can you reference a post on STW of somebody suggesting punishment passes are okay?
There are posts on the "stupidity" of cyclists passing on the left of vehicles (despite the majority of infra guiding you into that position), if you really want me to find some specific quotes I'll look it up later.
The radio soundtrack was better than the fight. Very poor.
Can't beat a bit of Tina Turner handbags malarkey! #BennyHilloverdubftw.
Does anyone know where this was? Only reason I ask is because I was walking up Deansgate in Manchester on Wednesday and I nearly got mullered by a self righteous prick on a bike, and I instantly recognised him. Couldnt work out where from until i saw this video again - im sure it was him. A very angry middle aged man who thinks he has to portray 'the hardman' so he doesn't loose face.
I drove hgvs for 20 yrs and have been a cyclist for 10 or so including commuting so I'd like to think I can see both perspectives.Its very easy to get angry when it seems 20 or so tonnes of metal is trying to kill you. But....WTF is this guy thinking trying to overtake a moving HGV? If I were driving the truck and a vehicle tried to overtake completing the manoeuvre is down to him, me altering my speed\direction could cause an accident. What makes this cyclist think he is master and commander? His response to the driver getting out of his cab is way OTT.Nutter!
Up there ^^ someone says its South Reddish. It's definatly Manchester / North west area as the radio on in the cab, the dj reads out the station phone number as a 0161.
A lot of the contributors on any bike v car thread reinforce the clear hostility between us
Well yes but still no one on here as ever said a cyclist can do no wrong so what I said was true Its amusing that you moan about speculation when all that post is just speculation followed by proving a point no one is disputing.
Yes some folk have a bias to favour of one side and some have a bias to just troll.
Not enough in that video to know what went on
Cyclist makes a stupid choice to try and get in font of the truck at the lights despite already beng behind a van who is attempting the same move. The truck driver doesn't race off at the lights and keeps speed with the flow of traffic. Stupid cyclist rather than concede his poor attempt continues to stubbornly try pass the truck and blames the driver for his own bellend move to which the driver clearly points out his stupidity.
At the next lights the cyclist puts himself in danger by cutting the truck up to stop him moving then goes about punching, kicking and head butting the truck. Truck driver gets out of truck and tries to restrain cyclist to prevent further damage but cyclist wants his pound of flesh for his humiliation with his poorly thought out over take and gets all punchy.
Cyclist is a dick head and probably not the first time he's been in this situation just this time it was caught on camera. Darwinism will no doubt coach up with him at some point unless he changes his attitude.
Reddish Road heading from Holdsworth Square toward Stockport town centre. The traffic lights are at the junction with Greg Street (right) and Reddish Vale Road (left).
The right hand lane at the junction is for right turning only. That bend in the road at the junction is deceptive. You can't see from there what is coming toward you on the other side of the road which is also a very straight road with drivers often accelerating hard after they've slowed down for the speed camera they've just passed.
Cyclist was at complete fault there. I know that road very well and I have no idea what the hell he was thinking by overtaking any motorised vehicle at that junction or on that section of road outside of the school run (Reddish Vale School on Reddish Vale Road) or rush hour times. Wrong side of the road for a straight on direction. Lots of heavy good vehicles coming along that road (Greg St and Whitehall industrial estates are on the right}, right hand lane is right turn only, long fast'ish road toward Stockport.....
He also can't throw a decent punch. If you know you can't throw a decent punch, don't try. Other bloke might be better at it than you.
Like monksie, I know that junction very well!
Never seen that cyclist though. I'll keep a lookout for him now.
What a pair of thrushy vaginas
However when it comes to the fight, I'm damn sure that if a driver gets out of his vehicle then the rider can take that as a sign that he is fully justified in striking first (pre-emptive self defence).
What a load of crap.
I hope you aren't a lawyer.
yes can you imagine it rider attacking your vehicle and you get out to ask them to stop so they beat you up and claim its your fault for getting out.
I have no idea what the hell he was thinking by overtaking any motorised vehicle at that junction or on that section of road
Possibly he wasn't trying to overtake but was trying to get the driver's attention to complain about an earlier event such as a close pass.
Who knows?
I think it would have to have been something very important such as "You should stop immediately as you appear to have a person tangled up in your rear axle" or something.
There isn't much if anything that that would have had me on the off side of a motorised vehicle at that junction if I had any intention of carrying along Reddish Road.
Well, everyone's different.