Has anyone? Worth it?
Been following this with interest. It seems that schwalbe didn't quite get it right to start with, with notable embarrassments in the DH world cups. Then production was delayed, then some ****ing idiot decided that IN THE UK ONLY, the warranty won't be valid unless they are fitted by a schwalbe approved dealer! This doesn't apply in any other country.
Tubeless is fine, I'll ignore this particular new product.
Tried it briefly in the alps, was on a Liteville 601, had a quick go on the guide's 601 with almost identical setup plus procore.
It's weird, it's nice n soft and grippy like I'd run my tyres here were there aren't any rocks, but when you hit something hard it doesn't smack onto the rim. I'll be running it at some point in the future if there isn't much of a weight (or financial) penalty!
I think it'll be placed in the parts bin of history soon enough
I'll wait out for the ghetto version thanks
Yeah, just looked at pricing, 200 euros... Road tyres and double drilled rims anyone?
No need to drill your rim for the production version.
Still lots of money
Sure I read about somone doing a diy version with some tubs but they are not cheap
I'd double drill the rims to save 150 quid any day..
what exactly is the advantage over regular tubeless? I haven't had a puncture since I went tubeless several years ago, and I can run sub 20psi?
David reviewed them for the mag.
I had a quick blast on a hardtail with it and it's as described above, weird. I can see how they would benefit though, just takes a while to get used to them and get the best out.
Had it set up ghetto on my old turner. Snapped the frame before I got to try it on proper alpine terrain though.
The first most obvious advantage was no burping using non tubeless rims, also no problems getting a tyre to inflate even with a mini pump. The inner tyre locked the outer tyre solidly in place.
I used a lightweight narrow slick 26" tyre and drilled a 2nd valve hole. The tricky bit using a tyre rather than a tub is unless it's a tight fit the inner tyre can unseat allowing the tube to bulge out. However it's a lot cheaper to use a tyre and tube.
It looks like shwalbe sell procore spares, might make more sense to just buy a procore inner tube and inner tyre for the rear only
Check out 'deaneasy', they are actually selling their product and some debate on who was first!
I've always liked running low pressures but had to stop after dinging too many rims, so took a chance and ordered a set months ago. They turned up today, so will be fitting them before the weekend hopefully.
The only problem is I have Mavic Crossmax, which have internal rim width of 19mm. Apparently the minimum is 23mm...
If you don't hear from me by this time next week tell my wife and kids I loved them.
[i]what exactly is the advantage over regular tubeless? I haven't had a puncture since I went tubeless several years ago, and I can run sub 20psi? [/i]
Either not trying hard enough or no rocks/sharps where you are. Unless that is you are running DH 2-ply tyres 🙂
Stick some of this inside your current tyre?
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I can see the advantage on a DH bike because I wince every time I hear my rims hit the ground. Then there's spending the evening carefully teasing the rim back into place with an adjustable spanner. There has been a lot of public failures of the Schwalbe system.
Never been an issue on the hardtail though. Can't remember rimming out anywhere because of massive g-force in a trail centre.
Can't remember rimming out anywhere
😯 😆
here has been a lot of public failures of the Schwalbe system.
By World Cup DH racers, which most of us aren't. I've personally crashed after burping a tyre as have a fair few of my mates. Would be worth it just for that, even if it only works for us mere mortals.
So after seeing this thread a couple of weeks ago I went ahead and ordered a set. They arrived before last weekend so was keen to get them on ready for my Sunday ride.
They went on easy enough, but air kept leaking out of the spoke holes, and could not get it to stop. Then after a quick Google it turns out my stans arch rims are only 21mm wide! I was sure I had read they were 23mm. So it looked like the valve wasn't sitting tight down onto the rim tape, I'm guessing with the recommended rims this wouldn't be a problem. But after some thought and lots of failed attempts I wrapped some plumbers ptfe tape round the valve to beef it up in the hope it would seal against the rim tape. And it worked! I would be amazed and impressed if anyone got them working on 19mm rims.
So I took them out for a quick trial run around the local park, no proper biking there, but plenty of kerbes and steps to ride into, running 15psi or so no rim dings or flats, so all good so far. Then off to cannock on Sunday, maybe not the most technical place, but plenty of loose corners and enough rocks to test super low pressures on a hard trail. And it all felt superb, for the first time I get that lovely soft tyre traction feeling with no puncture worries.
No idea how they will hold up long term, or if I do get a problem can I sort it out on the trail? Who knows, it won't be easy, but fingers crossed it won't happen. I'll definitely be keeping them on and testing them in proper rocky terrain. I've been a tubeless convert for a few years now, but still run pretty high pressure to avoid dinging my rims. So this an exciting new world of learning how much soft tyres do actually stick to the dirt
I'll report back after a few more rides.
Tom
Micheal was running this out in Garda on his Liteville and was raving about it.
I am a dealer. I have had mine on order since Feb. I am still waiting. I starting to annoy me actually. It's like Schwable have forgot to supply the u.k.
I want them for mud riding. I am hoping the very low pressures will actually provide some grip.
whatnobeer - MemberBy World Cup DH racers, which most of us aren't.
Yeah, but, there's nothing really special about the way they bash their rims off things, that we knobbers can't recreate.
I would be amazed and impressed if anyone got them working on 19mm rims.
*hangs head*
to the guys who have this, where on earth did you find it?
Been following this with interest. It seems that schwalbe didn't quite get it right to start with, with notable embarrassments in the DH world cups.
Ive watched most of the WC this year and only noticed 1 incident that looked like the rider had procore, not sure who it was but they collapsed the rim and the procore innertube exploded when it came away from the rim. Was there much other discussion (or reports of incidents) in the pits?
If they collapsed the rim then I expect the ProCore exploded because of several pieces of sharp metal in the vicinity....
STATOIve watched most of the WC this year and only noticed 1 incident that looked like the rider had procore, not sure who it was but they collapsed the rim and the procore innertube exploded when it came away from the rim.
There were three on the live shows I think. The most memorable one, the one you're probably talking about was Neko Mulally at Lourdes. Claudio was spraffing about how unlikely it was that he would get a puncture because of pro-core, then mulally enters the frame with his tyre hanging off 😆
Harry Heath's let go at Fortwilliam, and there was at least one more but I can't recall.
They've had quite a few public fails in EWS too which is more the market they're shooting at. (Schwalbe say Neko Mulally was the only wc dh failure to date, pretty sure that's not true, did Harry Heath not blow one up at fort bill?). TBH the first thing they should do is make the pro kit black so we can't tell so easily
I'm still following this with interest.
Who will be first to report on what it's like trying to repair a broken procore system 20 miles from the back of beyond the middle of nowhere? Will the 'core' come out easily to make room for a tube?
If somebody brought out a system that used two tubes instead of tubeless, I'd be keener.
Here is what one of the popular tyre suppliers have to say about Procore
"AVAILABILITY
These kits don't exist. Well we've never seen one anyway!. Please order this alternative kit which really does exist and is a better option in our opinion ->"
I think i'll be going down the Deaneasy route
They seem to be dribbling into stock now though euans2
There's a review of Procore in the next issue of the mag (101).
I got mine from www.mantel.com/uk. Looks like they've only got 29er on stock now, I must have been lucky. Delivered within a few days too, and a good price.
I'll let you know what happens in the middle of nowhere when something goes wrong, but I suspect it won't be too much harder than putting a tube in a knackered tubeless system.
Keep us informed on how the 19mm rim installation goes patrickbateman.
There's a fairly uninformative review up on pinkbike now
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/schwalbe-procore-review-2015.html
...but some of the comments below it make interesting reading. They've put me off anyway. Somebody bring out a system that involves two cheap, easily replacable tubes and no goo and I'm in.