[Closed] Surrey Road Rage - I think its getting worse

.....somewhere between the descent after Box and Headley we got buzzed by a nun.

Hopefully you warned her about her bad habit.

I'll get my wimple...

get their numbers and use this to report them;

[url= http://www.operationcrackdown.org/ ]http://www.operationcrackdown.org/[/url]

(not sure if this is nationwide or just Sussex Police but other forces may have similar sites)

Police don;t seem to prosecute much from what I've seen but a letter through the post is going to (maybe) make people think before they do it again.

Some of the grumpiest and lest tolerant people I've met have been those "committed to the church"

Yeah my missus suffered quite a few beatings and humilitaions at school from nuns
Bit off topic I know though!

Yes, I find the Surrey hills are alive with the sound of beeping.

Not something I've noticed.

I think there's arseholes who will purposely buzz you and there's idiots who genuinely have no idea how much room cyclists need - almost left hooked by a lady recently, seemingly no ill intent, she knew I was there, innocent smile on her face, calmly turned left at a reasonable speed, just passed wayyyy too close to me (top of a hill too so I was going pretty slow). I presume the nun was part of the latter - or are my nun-ist prejudices showing and actually she leaned on the horn and shouted expletive filled abuse at you?

Unfortunately shouting (always first resort when you've been scared shitless) at either group won't help. Calmly explaining the situation to the latter [i]may[/i] help if given the chance - dunno.

maybe some people not happy that roads are now being closed for sportives......I kind of have some sympathy for that view tbh....

Why? You can't do without your car for a few days a year when given lots of warning?

On the other hand, no need for any sort of road rage.

Sounds like you got off lightly with a nun buzzing your back wheel. Could've been much worse. You could have had a Christian Brother up yer arse!

She clearly wanted you to climb every mountain, not just Box Hill again...

Sounds like you got off lightly with a nun buzzing your back wheel. Could've been much worse. You could have had a Christian Brother up yer arse!

Don't mess with the people of surrey, its a tough place to live...

Do you look like this?

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Even if everyone is single file they can be difficult to pass if they are strung out.

For their own good I think roadies need to make sure they ride in as safely passable formations as possible, otherwise road rage increases and it does no one any favors, particularly if it does lead to road rage and resistance against cyclists and any organised events that might involve road closures, even rolling ones.

So maybe there could be some form of recommended riding formations devised, maybe 2 abreast at most and 2 or three long, all the depending on how social the ride is and if trying to ride as a peleton.

From times I have been behind groups I find that peleton riding is more palatable if they are clearly training/putting some effort in, but when riding socially and cruising along it is annoying.

Maybe social road cyclists could stick to clusters of 4 with car sized gaps in between the clusters, so they can go to 2x2 in areas where passing is either dangerous or the road is clear and wide, or move to 4 x 1 for narrower roads.

I also think there should be a compulsory proficiency test and maybe licensing/insurance.

The proficiency test would be no hassle to do, and the insurance/licensing might be cheap as well (BC/CTC).

And it would kill that area of argument for car drivers, so they would only be left with the road tax one.

Sorry TurnerGuy but I think you're misunderstanding where the anger comes from - it's not rational - it's to do with change and power and frustration.
Change - the UK and Western World in general are going through massive change and a lot of people are scared about what it means for them.
Change - some people just can't cope with the fact they have to change the way they drive now there are more people cycling
Power - more people cycling changes the power balance on the roads and some people driving can't cope with having less power to drive how they like
Frustration - driving in the South East is a rotten experience - not the 'open roads' dream we were sold - congestion, slow, polluting

I get hassled when riding singlefile with the club, riding 2 abreast with the club, AND when I'm on my own... how we ride will make no bit of difference whatsoever

Maybe social road cyclists could stick to clusters of 4 with car sized gaps in between the clusters

Yay, lets encourage dangerous overtaking!

What's the difference between social and training pace? What if my social pace is quicker than someone else's training pace?

From times I have been behind groups I find that peleton riding is more palatable if they are clearly training/putting some effort in, but when riding socially and cruising along it is annoying.

Classic - 'I dont mind you being on my road as long as you are "trying" damn it!

What about sunday drivers then TG?

Sorry TurnerGuy but I think you're misunderstanding where the anger comes from - it's not rational - it's to do with change and power and frustration.

no, most of the frustration is that you can't overtake...

Yay, lets encourage dangerous overtaking!

read the post again - I suggested moving the formation around as appropriate and going to 2 abreast in areas where it is dangerous to overtake.

What's the difference between social and training pace? What if my social pace is quicker than someone else's training pace?

someone freewheeling a lot of the time is a good indicator.

Classic - 'I dont mind you being on my road as long as you are "trying" damn it!

It is the same idea as if I were driving a slow tractor round the lanes I might pull in every now and again to let the cars past, versus I could be bloody minded and driving in a manner that no-one can pass me for extended periods.

i.e. some consideration for other people on the road, the same consideration cyclists want from car drivers but we're giving them none.

or let's do nothing and let the levels of road rage increase and have a few more road rage induced deaths...

What about sunday drivers then TG?

and there's another problem - is there something special about Sundays that drivers of low competence are allowed out?

I ride around Surrey all the time both on and off road and I never get any grief. The worst I've had is someone overtaking in a puff of deisel smoke right in my face otherwise no screaming or shouting. It's a non problem as far as I can tell. Central London however is a nightmare of stressed out loonies.

.somewhere between the descent after Box and Headley we got buzzed by a nun.

I once watched a nun buzzing herself, In a basement in Prague....

someone freewheeling a lot of the time is a good indicator.

But what if I'm riding with a friend who's not as quick, how does that meet the criteria!?

read the post again - I suggested moving the formation around as appropriate and going to 2 abreast in areas where it is dangerous to overtake.

I did, IMO 'car sized gaps' = encourages cars to barge through.

It's a non problem as far as I can tell.

you riding on your own or in a group ?

not seen a problem when riding on the road on my own, apart from some close passes in tight lanes.

Two nuns, Sister Mary Agnes and Sister Mary Vincent, are
traveling through Europe in their car, sightseeing in
Transylvania. As they are stopped at a traffic light, out
of nowhere, a small vampire jumps onto the hood of the car
and hisses at them through the windshield.

Quick, quick! shouts Sister Mary Agnes, What should we
do?

Turn the windshield wipers on. That will get rid of the
abomination, says Sister Mary Vincent.

Sister Mary Agnes switches on the wipers, which knock the
mini-Dracula around. But, he hangs on and continues hissing
at the nuns. What shall I do now? she shouts.

Try the windshield washer. I filled it with holy water
before we left the Vatican, replies Sister Mary Vincent.

Sister Mary Agnes turns on the windshield washer. The
vampire screams as the water burns his skin, but he hangs on
and continues hissing at the nuns.

Now what? shouts Sister Mary Agnes.

Show him your cross, says Sister Mary Vincent.

Now you're talking, says Sister Mary Agnes. She then
opens the window and shouts, Get the **** off our car!

TurnerGuy - Member

I also think there should be a compulsory proficiency test and maybe licensing/insurance.

for cyclists? why? how will that stop drivers being impatient? and driving dangerously?

True story.
Two nuns were driving along a road spot the Devil riding a bicycle ahead of them.
Sister Mary, who's driving, whispers across to sister Bernadette - "Quick sister, show him your cross."
"GET OFF THE FEKING ROAD AND USE THE CYCLE PATH YOU EEJIT!" screams Sister Bernadette.

for cyclists? why? how will that stop drivers being impatient? and driving dangerously?

read my post FFS

they might have more realisation that cyclists have a right to use the roads

Nun arrives back at the convent on her bike, smiling broadly.

Mother Superior says, "Which way did you come?"

Nun grins a satisfied grin and says, "Across the cobbles".

I also think there should be a compulsory proficiency test and maybe licensing/insurance.

Is that for all non-motorised road users? Presumably including pedestrians, horse riders, children crossing the road wearing those "heelies" (shoes with a wheel built in)?

While you're happily giving away your basic rights (i.e. the right to use the highway (non-motorised) without a load of conditionality) are there any others you think we should do?

GCSE Politics grade C or above before you can vote in an election?

Pass a test on the libel / slander / contempt of court laws before you can access social media?

How about state regulation of the press (oh, hang on a minute...)

Most of the time they can't overtake because there is traffic coming the other way, not because there is a cyclist going the same way as them. It's the traffic coming the other way that should get off the road. Isn't it?

Most of the time they can't overtake because there is traffic coming the other way, not because there is a cyclist going the same way as them. It's the traffic coming the other way that should get off the road. Isn't it?

not around a lot of Surrey, a lot of time if is because of visibility issues.

If the cyclists are strung out in a long unbroken line then you might not have long enough to overtake and pull in before the next corner, whereas if they road in clusters of riders then you would have spaces into which to hop without causing any danger for anyone.

Is that for all non-motorised road users? Presumably including pedestrians, horse riders, children crossing the road wearing those "heelies" (shoes with a wheel built in)?

While you're happily giving away your basic rights (i.e. the right to use the highway (non-motorised) without a load of conditionality) are there any others you think we should do?

GCSE Politics grade C or above before you can vote in an election?

Pass a test on the libel / slander / contempt of court laws before you can access social media?

How about state regulation of the press (oh, hang on a minute...)

Again, let's do nothing and see the situation getting worse.

Those are two areas that car users regularly bring up, so why don't we do them and leave them without to complain about?

[i]If the cyclists are strung out in a long unbroken line then you might not have long enough to overtake and pull in before the next corner[/i]

Then it's the road's fault. Get that road off the road.

If the cyclists are strung out in a long unbroken line then you might not have long enough to overtake and pull in before the next corner, whereas if they road in clusters of riders then you would have spaces into which to hop without causing any danger for anyone.

Leaving "car-sized spaces" is the worst possible thing that any club can do. Car overtakes, slots into gap and it's now sandwiched between two groups unable to overtake further. Runs the risk of cyclists behind increasing speed (descent for example) and trying to re-overtake the car or being dangerously close to it, usually through no fault of their own.

The problem is that drivers don't usually understand the dynamics of a club run - why riders are 2-abreast, why/when riders might choose to single out or take primary or why a group might stretch out or bunch up briefly (on descents and climbs).

Having cyclists pass a test is just another one of those false reasoning arguments that some motorists use. That combined with "road tax".

Those are two areas that car users regularly bring up, so why don't we do them and leave them without to complain about?

Cos they'll find something else to complain about. It's not the actual complaint. It's simply a convenient stick to beat people with and it's through lack of understanding.

How are you going to enforce a Cycling Test? Licence? Number plate? Tax disc? What about the change of law needed to accommodate this (given that in law, cyclists (and horse riders) have an absolute right to use the highway).
What's the cost of this scheme please? And will it apply to a 5-year old playing in the park or just to adults wanting to us the road? The police can't even enforce existing traffic law - why bring in a requirement to treble the admin?

Those are two areas that car users regularly bring up, so why don't we do them and leave them without to complain about?

Some motorists hate cyclists, doesn't matter what hoops we jump through, you just risk putting off other cyclists.

(but cycle proficiency courses in all schools is something I'd like to see, would probably help swell the ranks)

TurnerGuy - how about we prioritise this?
1. Get drivers behaving more safely and accepting of cyclists on the road.
2. Help cyclists be more considerate of drivers.

Or do you actually think 2 is more important?

Leaving "car-sized spaces" is the worst possible thing that any club can do. Car overtakes, slots into gap and it's now sandwiched between two groups unable to overtake further. Runs the risk of cyclists behind increasing speed (descent for example) and trying to re-overtake the car or being dangerously close to it, usually through no fault of their own.

and how many times does that happen ?

the car has overtaken one group and is now traveling at the speed of the group in front.

so if they are going downhill and the bike behind want to overtake, then this implies that the front group are going slower for some reason, causing the car to go slower.

so therefore the clusters can be arranged so this situation doesn't happen, the faster riders are always in the front clusters.

And now you are saying that the cyclists behind the car can't control their bikes on the descents, but it is no fault of their own???

we are talking give-and-take here - the roads are not the private race track for the cyclist group, the roads are being 'shared' with cars.

Having cyclists pass a test is just another one of those false reasoning arguments that some motorists use. That combined with "road tax".

make some suggestions about how to improve things then - go on - I dare you...

Cos they'll find something else to complain about. It's not the actual complaint. It's simply a convenient stick to beat people with and it's through lack of understanding.

its a hsared us space and untill everyone realises this and acts accordingly we will get more of this
Car drivers who hate cycliss will not be changed by us having a new test

TurnerGuy - how about we prioritise this?
1. Get drivers behaving more safely and accepting of cyclists on the road.
2. Help cyclists be more considerate of drivers.

Or do you actually think 2 is more important?

no, but the thread was about road rage, which comes about because of a lack of 2 in many cases.

It comes about because of 1, in nearly all cases IME.

Fly past them when stationary. this is what offends them and little can be done to change this

maybe in London but we are talking about Surrey, and the recent press has all been about groups of cyclists clogging up the roads 'cos they are riding in little peletons.

Thread title is about it getting worse, so I thought it might be OK to make suggestions about behavior that might stop it getting worse, or even reverse it.

I know it's a term that may have been used for various different scenarios but I thought road rage was caused by impatient bell ends with anger management issues. Certainly seem to be a lot of RR incidents not involving cyclists.

It comes about because of 1, in nearly all cases IME

counter - It comes about because of 2, in nearly all cases IME

mcboo - Member
A new low for the angry car people of the Surrey Hills.....somewhere between the descent after Box and Headley we got buzzed by a nun.

Did you shout at her? Did you call her a "****ing ****"?

Definitely a prime opportunity missed if you didnt.

I know it's a term that may have been used for various different scenarios but I thought road rage was caused by impatient bell ends with anger management issues. Certainly seem to be a lot of RR incidents not involving cyclists

so I was suggesting things that might trigger their impatience less often?

giving them safe opportunities to overtake might help.

Another suggestion is to make everyone actually have to cycle on the roads before they drive. Worked for some Addison Lee taxi drivers a while ago, said they respected cyclists a lot more after doing a london cycling course.

Full of practical suggestions I see.

so therefore the clusters can be arranged so this situation doesn't happen, the faster riders are always in the front clusters.

And now you are saying that the cyclists behind the car can't control their bikes on the descents, but it is no fault of their own???

But that just doesn't happen, especially if it's two completely unconnected groups that just happen to be using the same stretch of road. Or a Sportive where a faster group has set off later and is catching a slower group. OK, on club runs you can sometimes get a degree of organisation going to say "faster riders up here, slower riders back there" but by and large what you see on the roads is two or three different groups, completely unrelated to each other.

At some point, they might be 3-abreast as a fast group singles out and passes a 2-abreast group. At some point there might be a "car-sized gap" between them as they close up but that's rapidly coming down as the back group works out how to safely pass the front group. But most drivers won't understand any of that.

make some suggestions about how to improve things then - go on - I dare you...

Compulsory retest every 5 years for all drivers
A driving test which includes a cycling module
A Government-backed education scheme, written by cyclists (as opposed to a bunch of ****s like that recent Nice Way Code bollocks) on how to drive around cyclists.
Better communication from event organisers and much stricter licensing/permission rules for holding Sportives.
A limit on the max number of participants at any one event (regardless of Risk Assessment or the amount of car parking)
Proper justice for drivers who kill or injure on the road (or drive while banned/under the influence etc) - none of this 3 points and a fine and off you go again rubbish.

There we go, that's a starter for 10.

I second crazy legs as minister for transport

Full of practical suggestions I see.

so that's me and crazy-legs that have made suggestions - where are yours ?

But that just doesn't happen,

but it also doesn't happen that often that you get converging groups, you more often get a single group clogging up the road and just a small adjustment to riding behavior will mean that the drivers window of the next passing white van doesn't open and some guy spits on the cyclists, as happened to Woking CC a few weeks ago.

but it also doesn't happen that often that you get converging groups, you more often get a single group clogging up the road and just a small adjustment to riding behavior will mean that the drivers window of the next passing white van doesn't open and some guy spits on the cyclists, as happened to Woking CC a few weeks ago.

It's a really difficult area isn't it?

On the one hand, they have a right to be there in much the same way that if you were held up by a slow moving tractor/trailer or a herd of cows being moved between fields (hey, I live in the country, these things happen so go with me) you wouldn't say anything, you'd just accept it - frustrating but part of life. And neither the tractor nor the cows pay road tax!

On the other hand, you want minimum possible reasons or opportunities for confrontation so you want a considerate group of cyclists. Cyclists (and ramblers actually) are strange creatures - they should really be treated like a shoal of fish or flock of birds - one entity made up of many. When you scare a shoal of fish, most dart in one direction but you always get the stupid fish which decides to go the other way. Same with cyclists or ramblers - one will decide to move right instead of left.

Trying to control a group, especially a big one, especially one made up of riders of disparate abilities is extremely difficult. Signalling that you're going to slow down, speed up, pull in, pull out, make a turn can take 500m of hand gestures and calling by which time the driver has already come alongside and shouted abuse.

There's no one answer to it - yes I agree with you that some cyclists are total ****ers in much the same way that some drivers are but I also think that vulnerable road users (or indeed vulnerable people in general) should be given a little bit of extra leeway.

TurnerGuy - Member

but it also doesn't happen that often that you get converging groups, you more often get a single group clogging up the road

they're not clogging up the road, they're [i]using[/i] the road.

if i understand correctly, the problem being discussed here is that people don't like slowing down a bit for 5 ****ing minutes while they're behind some slower traffic.

they're not clogging up the road, they're using the road.

would you say the same if there were tons of tractors using the roads getting from field to field.

Or tons of sunday drivers all cruising around at 25mph and all driving nose to tail, so no way to overtake.

Anyway, that is what the local press call it, and peoples impressions, which is what counts.

If you're [i]really[/i] in a hurry and there's a group of riders in front of you, hit the switch that turns your flashing blue lights and your siren on. They'll pull over.

If you don't have such a switch, too bad. You'll just get to the garden centre a few minutes later than you'd ideally like. It's not really the end of the world. The damage to your day caused by ranting is likely to be much worse than the actual consequences of the lateness.

TurnerGuy - Member

would you say the same if there were tons of tractors using the roads getting from field to field.

Or tons of sunday drivers all cruising around at 25mph and all driving nose to tail, so no way to overtake.

er, yes? because it's the same thing. Have you seen the A64 on a sunday evening in late summer? - tractors and tourists all over the place. there's no point getting angry about it, or calling for all tourists to be banned from the road between the hours of 7am-11pm.
"Those farmers need to pay some road tax, and earn some respect. They don't even pay [i]fuel[/i] tax. Bastards."

see? - such grumpiness is just silly.

Anyway, that is what the local press call it, and peoples impressions, which is what counts.

i agree, and peoples' impressions won't be changed one iota by sending cyclists on 'proficiency courses'.

Central London however is a nightmare of stressed out loonies.

I always found the drivers in central London far more aware than those in the suburbs, probably because there was a lot more going on around them and they were travelling at a slower pace.

see? - such grumpiness is just silly.

but it doesn't matter that it is silly, it matters that it happens.

this all seems similar to situations like ramblers taking up the whole of the bridleway just because they can and not letting mtbers past, I bet their forums have similar discussions.

At the sailing club my wife goes to there was an older lady there the other night saying how they had just been buzzed by about 30 mountain bikers coming down a path - shouting 'coming through'.

She was a bit miffed, but I tried to placate her by saying at least they weren't road cyclists, 'cos we all hate them. That placated her a bit.

I tried to placate her by saying at least they weren't road cyclists, 'cos we all hate them.

Aah, now I get it. You're one of 'them', explains it.

this all seems similar to situations like ramblers taking up the whole of the bridleway just because they can and not letting mtbers past,

I am not making excuses for anyone, I am just saying that this is what happens, how to make it slightly less of a problem in the short term.

I only really thought about it when out with Woking CC for a road ride one morning and saw all the problems with cars trying to overtake and why they couldn't, and then a few days later with a group on the riply road who seemed to keep moving themselves into the most awkward positions for cars to overtake as they could, and I thought - aha, that is why people get road rage.

Group road riding holds little interest for me, as does road riding where I only see any point in it if the trails are too trashed/muddy (done my share of muddy miles) or if I want to session some hills. Otherwise xc mtbing or my croix de fer is much more attractive.

I am just saying that this is what happens, how to make it slightly less of a problem in the short term.

A noble goal, but I think you have your priorities backwards, and we should be looking for long term solution, not short term placation of angry motorists that ultimately re-enforces the position that cyclists are a nuisance and pushes them further off the road (figuratively speaking of course!)

and then a few days later with a group on the riply road who seemed to keep moving themselves into the most awkward positions for cars to overtake as they could, and I thought - aha, that is why people get road rage.

or maybe they were attempting to take position to prevent what they thought would be a dangerous overtake?

Group road riding holds little interest for me, as does road riding where I only see any point in it if the trails are too trashed/muddy.

and there it is... people doing things you have no interest in, sounds like you're having trouble empathising with something you don't understand and trying to impose your own rules on them.

I'm not [s]racist[/s] roadieist but.... 😉

I don't know which roads specifically you're talking about but in my experience most roads where you cannot safely overtake a group of cyclists are roads that probably have a maximum safe speed of 40ish, sometimes less, where as roads where higher speeds are safer are often bigger, wider with more opportunity to overtake.

Being that most club runs will be averaging 16-20mph, it's amazing that such a small speed differential causes such a massive problem, even if you were 'stuck' behind them for 5 whole miles (highly unlikely) then it's only going to add a few minutes onto your overall journey time.

Impatience is a growing problem in society and this "debate" so called just boils down to " I don't like to wait for cyclists when I'm in my car".

Well diddums, suck it up buttercup. What you're doing is no more important than my bike ride, peloton or not. Have a scone, put on radio 4 and wait a bloody minute.

or maybe they were attempting to take position to prevent what they thought would be a dangerous overtake?

nope, they were almost doing the opposite, as I commented at the time.

Well diddums, suck it up buttercup. What you're doing is no more important than my bike ride, peloton or not. Have a scone, put on radio 4 and wait a bloody minute.

that attitude is not helpful though is it at trying to placate the reality of what is happening and trying to keep more cyclists out of accidents.

I just reckon that if a car came up behind a riding group that were actively and clearly trying to manage their sharing of the road, then the driver might be more tolerant of waiting. If they come up behind a group of cyclists leisurely coasting along with poor road sense and awareness then I would guess that they are more likely to start to get the 'rage'.

And I get that but it's not the responsibility of cyclists to manage people with anger issues is it? If an accident or road rage incident transpires because of a car driver we have laws for that which we ought to enforce. Only in a car is it acceptable for someone to say and often do things that they would never, ever do outside of the car and they need to understand that it's just not acceptable. The consequence of poor cycling is mostly mild annoyance, I don't need to remind you of the potentially fatal consequences of poor driving. If someone is walking slowly ahead of you on the pavement you don't call them a c+++, give them the finger and shout at them as you walk past do you? If you did you should be in prison or therapy.

If someone is walking slowly ahead of you on the pavement you don't call them a c+++, give them the finger and shout at them as you walk past

This is a very good point. Although I don't live in London. It may happen there. 🙂

This is a very good point. Although I don't live in London. It may happen there

I did have a go at someone once - I was reading my metro as I walked over millenium bridge and the c+++ overtook me and then cut right back in and slowed down so that I walked into his heels. The bridge wasn't crowded so there was no excuse.

edit - I think I actually just used the t+++ word.

I think he was off to his day job as a quant...

And I get that but it's not the responsibility of cyclists to manage people with anger issues is it? If an accident or road rage incident transpires because of a car driver we have laws for that which we ought to enforce.

it is too late then though, the guy has been hit. Obviously penalties should be higher for the driver, which will hopefully feed back into driving practices (strict liability...).

It all comes down to basic behavioural issues; in the UK, for far, far too long, drivers have been allowed, perhaps even encouraged to believe that they can do what they want and that all other road users are second class.

The penalties for causing death and/or serious injury have been shown to be a farce, to the extent that the best way to kill someone is to knock them down with a car.

A trip to Northern Europe with a bike or even as a pedestrian is an eye opener; cars will stop for you. Here, as soon as you get out of a car, you don't count, you're not important, you can wait, you can get out of the way.

Add these attitudes to the stupids of Surrey; unfortunately it's only a matter of time before the first road rage incident leaves someone dead, and the driver will get off with some minor punishment.

My 2p's worth as a limited experience road rider .
Drivers feel like they are moving at walking speed at speeds of below 25mph ( ish ) . Modern cars are so refined 21 - 23mph is near silent and sedate experience . On a road bike 22mph feels quick and proper fast.
There is also a chance that you have held up 10 cars . Ok each one might have only taken 20 secs to overtake , but the one on the end of the queue has been waiting for 3 mins . I know his journey to soft play with a screaming devil child is more important than my sunday jolly, and in dropping off the spawn of satan he is being denied a 2 hr sesh on GTA5 in his pants. He has had to get dressed and leave the flat. He resents everyone on the road .alot.
The cyclists gets the brunt of this as he is a obviously a gayer in Lycra who cant afford a Vauxhall Astra.

Also riding in small groups of 4 does make it dangerous . There are alot of 'follow through' overtakers whose tiny minds cannot comprehend the fact that just because the first car has an opportunity to overtake, this does not mean that they can safely do the same move. First car overtakes safely and drops into gap.
Second car follows and there is no gap, and now there is an angry man in a tracksuit with a devil child screaming in the back coming straight at him , travelling at 50 in a 30 because hes got to get home in time to get to the pub to see his mates.
Second car turns steering wheel left in desperate 'I hope they dont damage my car too much and if I hold the wheel really tight my car gets narrower and we can all fit in a 12ft gap' style of overtake manoever.

Whats the answer ?
Claw hammer to the head whilst they sleep ?
Education to the vulnerability of other road users, and the damage inflicted by 1000kgs of steel ?
Stiffer penalties ? ha ha ha ha . I loose count of the munber of " 'eyes down' Im on my Facebook on my smart phone" drivers i see every day.
More Traffic police ?
Real penalties eg £5k fines and 5 year driving bans for accidents involving injuries to other soft targets?
Tv ad campaign 'Always use the green cross code' . Worked in the 80's

I dont really know tbh. There are 2000 miles of roads in Surrey , Im sure the local residents can find some with less cyclists on to drive around in their ego chariots on a weekend.