[Closed] Surrey Hills Air Ambulance incident today

I think if somneone asks if you would mind just very quickly removing a crown race from a pair of forks for instance, that you should agree to do it, "No problem", and then ask them for £7.50 less than 3 minutes later (after you have done it), you have to kind of suck it up when they may claim that you overcharge, no matter how many times Dirt magazine may claim that you are the beating heart of the hills.

If your moaning over £7.50 to do that, then why don't you go buy the tool to do it yourself? 😯

 

I'm not jon - you were being an idiot, so I pointed that out.

Actually I met some mates and did a 17 mile ride across the hills from holmbury to winterfold, hammering some of the best trails in the area. I didn't come across any kids learning to ride on my journey, but am pretty sure if I did I wouldn't have got all irate and felt the need to post on the net that they shouldn't have been on my trails.

I never said the guy in P&S wasn't entitled to (although it might have been nice if he had said the price before carrying out the 2 minute job as I would have told him not to bother). However, I am also entitled to mention the high prices as a consumer.

That ok with you jon?

bigshiz - I already have the tool at home - don't carry it wround with me and thought it would have been nice to fit my new forks that day (bought second hand off my mate), so asked a favour in the locval shop (where I have spent a fair amount of money in the past). Is that also ok with you as well?

Poor fella, hope he's ok, I don't ride that trail anymore as there are loads that are more interesting and challenging for the experienced rider, I stacked hard on that trail a number of years ago and was lucky to just get away with a swollen and bruised arm after hitting a tree at speed (rider error) but off all the trails to hurt yourself on 🙁

We were in Spain last week riding downhill trails, we got talking about armour and injury etc as we had a number of offs and got away with them other than cuts and bruises, one of the lads in the uplift van spoke of a lady that his wife used to work with, apperently her husband had bought her hybrid bike, she hadn't ridden for years, did a slow 'car park test' outside their house, she fell off and died by hitting her head on a curb, awful.

I hope someone in the know has good news about this guy soon, not nice to hear whatever the trail/ability/bike being ridden.

Pedal and is not a charity, its a business. £7.50 is a fair price to do that work with the correct tool. I know Howard does more freebies in the day than actually charging for things and if there wasn't the shop there anymore it would be a big blow for the area. You need to just get on with riding your MTB and enjoying it thats why we all do it.

I hope he's ok. I love that trail. Think all the fun trails can bite back. They wouldnt be fun or provide the same thrill otherwise.

How the hell does a thread about a rider potentialy having a serious injury, end up as squabble about Howard charging RRP or not?

Losers

Can you see why I made a Joey Deacon face when I read your post?

And now you're also mocking people with Cerebral Palsy? I'd quite while you're behind Scott.

I know - pathetic and I regret ever rising to the bait

Its easy to forget that not everyone is as chilled as you on forums

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwi n's_law

it won't be long......

if this thread fairly represents the general attitude of surrey hills riders, its hardly a surprise that the rest of the country thinks the area is full of ATGNI Chelsea tractor driving knob jockeys

is it the easter holidays already.

hope the injured rider is ok.

if this thread fairly represents the general attitude of surrey hills riders...

A new low. Using a disagreement by two people on a thread to try to deliberately offend several thousand other mountain bikers.

Best close this thread and let's just all wish the rider well.

Hope the rider is ok. As for the rest of what's in this thread.....good grief!!!!!!

+1

if this thread fairly represents the general attitude of surrey hills riders, its hardly a surprise that the rest of the country thinks the area is full of ATGNI Chelsea tractor driving knob jockeys

😀

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh.

Very much hope the guy's okay.

So is theere an reliable update on this blokes condidtion? I can't imagine it will be good press if he is badly broken. As for the rest of the thread it seems a monthly occurence for there to be a thread outlining what dicks we regulars to the Surrey Hills are.

geetee1972 - Member

Can you see why I made a Joey Deacon face when I read your post?

And now you're also mocking people with Cerebral Palsy? I'd quite while you're behind Scott.

Apparently that's ok. Mocking the truly afflicted like boltonjon and calling them idiots gets the banning warning.

So, before I do get banned I'd like to clarify:

1) The Howard thing was a throwaway comment, made much more of by others than by me.

2) I have no problem with kids learning to mountain bike on shared trails.

3) I hope the guy is ok, and rumours of his paralysis are unfounded (which is why they probably should not have been posted).

If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

Just for the sake of balance, Howard once split a pack of skewers for me after I left my rear one on the bin at home when loading the car. This was at 8am on a Sunday. More expensive than Wiggle but very convenient as without it I'd have been going home. I like Howard personally and love the fact the shop is right there. Happy to pay a little more for convenience and keeping his business healthy.

By contrast if you want free work from your LBS I heartily recommend mine. Crown race removed for free, Hopeheadset cack-handed behaviour fixed for free, gears indexed free while they were sorting something else. Only slight problem for SH riders is it's in Luxembourg.

Its a fair cop gov - i'm an idiot - the great one has spoken and i've been called much worse

Now, can we get back to some good old fashioned & uninsulting banter?? 😀

This thread really has brought out the worst of STW... what a shame.

+++++ agreed. Unbelievable how it can go so OT.

Hope the news is good for the fallen fellow rider.

This thread really has brought out the worst of STW... what a shame.

Indeed - not such a nice place to visit any more 🙁 . Fair play to geetee for the apology though. Fingers crossed for the injured guy.

What happened to the fella, did he get away ith it?

Interesting thread. Hope the fallen biker is ok.

As for pedal and spoke, must have met Howard on a bad day then.
Was over that way with some local friends when what I thought was my BB started to make a horrific grinding noise. As we were passing the shop I popped in for some "friendly" advice as to whether they reckoned it would be ok to continue with or to stop. From 10ft away I was told it would need a strip down but he didnt have time and basically given the cold shoulder, possibly as I wasnt one of his regular SC riding customers.

So given I didnt want to do any further damage I left the others to the rest of the ride and packed up, went home.

On the way back popped into my LBS in haslemere and within 5mins they had identified the problem and fixed it....the rear drop out bolts were loose. Re-greased and set me on my way for free with a smile.

Shame, as now I wont go near P&S even if I was in dire straits and if I wanted in future to buy an SC, I would seek an alternative dealer.

Just shows what having a bad day can do to future custom especially as I was considering a High Ball recently.

Cba with most of this thread, but the guy who stopped with kids in the middle of a fast mountain bike track is in the wrong. You have no duty to slow down around blind corners; you are out to mountain bike not to pass your institute of advanced motorists course.

You will not suddenly just hit a rider in front of you if they are moving (you will have time to stop) and as soon as you stop on a trail it is your duty to remove yourself from that trail.

Cba with most of this thread, but the guy who stopped with kids in the middle of a fast mountain bike track is in the wrong. You have no duty to slow down around blind corners; you are out to mountain bike not to pass your institute of advanced motorists course.

You will not suddenly just hit a rider in front of you if they are moving (you will have time to stop) and as soon as you stop on a trail it is your duty to remove yourself from that trail.

During a race on a closed course, like a DH race, yes. When riding on public land where not only could there be slower or stopped bikes but also walkers, dogs, horses and so on, then you have a responsibility to be able to stop safely.

FFS, this was a thread about an incident involving the air ambulance and then resurrected by someone asking for an update on the riders condition, so all of those people whinging about the price of components or other folk using their private trails **** off and start your own whingathon thread, freakin ****wits!

Wish the guy well and hope nothing to serious

On another note buy yourself an Evoc with the Spine protector inside
and pad up fed up of seeing guys getting it wrong at Surrey Hills/Swinley
and dressed for a bit of XC

Good Luck for the guy and a speedy recovery

I am going to ask for this thread to be closed .
If you need to ask why , mail in profile.

During a race on a closed course, like a DH race, yes. When riding on public land where not only could there be slower or stopped bikes but also walkers, dogs, horses and so on, then you have a responsibility to be able to stop safely.

A demarcated bike path (like Yoghurt Pots) is not a walking or horse path. Slower bikes won't get hit. Stopped bikes have a duty to clear the road.

What's the first thing you do if there's an accident on the road? Clear it for safety.

Unfortunately, right or wrong, people and dogs do walk down these trails.
I don't want to run over either.
surrey hills are shared by everybody, and i'd quite like to continue riding there.

On the P&S subject, I have actually had some very good experiences with Howard recently, so maybe I was a little harsh originally. However, you can only judge a shop/person on your experience with them, and mine had been poor at the time.

Riding on the hills is not a trail centre - you need to be able to stop if you need to as anyone can be on the trails. I'm no slouch up there, but have also never come close to mowing someone down - the two things are not mutually exclusive. Kids have every right to be on a tame trail like yoghurt pots as much as anyone. I'll be taking my 7 year out there week after next, as it is a decent training trail for him.

A demarcated bike path (like Yoghurt Pots) is not a walking or horse path.

But that's the point - it's not demarcated as a bike trail. I think I'm right in saying the only trail signed as a bike trail is Summer Lightning.

What's the first thing you do if there's an accident on the road? Clear it for safety.

But that's the point - it's not demarcated as a bike trail. I think I'm right in saying the only trail signed as a bike trail is Summer Lightning.

Huh, it had a small sign last time I was there (quite a while ago, may have been removed).

No you don't...agree that you make the area safe for yourself or a 1st aider but if the person is as badly injured as the person being discussed you do not move them

I think you're getting confused between two discussions here. We're talking about people dawdling along with kids and stood in the middle of a trail around a blind corner on a bike path with many blind corners; not the guy hurt on BKB. Nobody injured; the analogy was supposed to imply that you have a duty to avoid accidents, you can't just stand in the middle of the road and hope nobody drives at the speed limit (which everyone does).

Kids have every right to be on a tame trail

Would you stop at the exit of a blind corner when you know cyclists come down, just because "They should come out of it at a crawl"? That's all I was saying was dumb.

continuity no - you miss the point which is its yor responsibility to ride as if there is an elephant around every corner - ie to be able to control your speed so as not to be a danger to others. If you hit someone standing in the middle of the trail it is always your fault

Ah, the famous Elephants of the Surrey Hills... 😉

A demarcated bike path (like Yoghurt Pots) is not a walking or horse path. Slower bikes won't get hit. Stopped bikes have a duty to clear the road.

Just like to point out that there is a right to roam on Hurtwood land,(way before Scottish land 😉 ) and as a result you may find other users on mountain bike trails. So you may expect the unexpected round the next corner.

[url=www.hurtwoodtrails.co.uk]MTBHurtwood.[/url]

If you hit someone standing in the middle of the trail it is always your fault

Even if they're on the exit to a blind corner?

Do you get off and push around every single blind corner on a bike trail? Do all of your friends?

Just like to point out that there is a right to roam on Hurtwood land,(way before Scottish land ) and as a result you may find other users on mountain bike trails. So you may expect the unexpected round the next corner.

MTBHurtwood.

That's cool; as I said in an earlier post, I thought I remembered it being demarcated. And either way, I wasn't suggesting that it's a legal issue.

Ah, the famous Elephants of the Surrey Hills...

ohh gawd it's happened again, I've touched a mirror and I'm in a parallel universe, is Thatcher still Queen and did the USA win the last world cup?