[Closed] Surly ICT or Chinese Carbon Fat Bike. Help me decide

I'm biased based on my ICAN purchases, so it would be the carbon bike and their carbon rims for easy tubeless

Great company to work with, very responsive and the stuff is good too.

Biased as I am, get the ICT, it's heavy, but it rides like a dream.

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I've had 9 fat bikes, just bought an ICT today

its not as heavy as you would expect

and I haven't heard anyone say they feel the weight when riding, they are very well sorted

and one of the only 5" tyre equipped bikes,

the older model had 100mm rims, new ones have only 80mm, which is much less bad ass !

ICT but then I've been really impressed with how Surly's ride.

3-1 Surly

Will be going for a frameset cozz as I'm currently waiting on Spokes for these

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I'd get the Surly.
I like Surlys.

And a carbon fat bike is just wrong, in much the same manner as a plasticene hovercraft, a concrete poncho or a nettle suppository.

http://singletrackmag.com/reviews/surly-ice-cream-truck-long-term-review-no-4-time-to-give-it-back/

Knock out to Surly

if you are only fitting 80mm rims - then why not get a wednesday?

aren't the frames very similar but quite a bit cheaper, and you don't need 190mm rear end

In the true spirit of Singletrack forum members, I would recommend you having a look at what I have.

Take a trip over to the Alpkit website, and have a look at the Vir Fortis carbon fat bike.

Can't do any direct comparison , but the Vir Fortis is very good, and very light. Can fit 5" tyres if you want as well.

80 mm rims but 4.8 inch tyre 🙂
Like the idea of a Bluto option when required

Have ordered the ICT. Think it will be a perfect partner for my Stooge

Good call 🙂 Not that I've ridden the ICAN frame, It could be lovely for all I know, but if you're after pictures of an ICT with BR710 rims, I have plenty 🙂

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Yes please roverpig. Is that a medium?

No it's a large. I'm 6' tall with something like a 33" inside leg and it fits me well.

It's kind of obvious really, with them being so big, but tyres do make a huge difference. I'm using Jumbo Jims in the summer and Bud/Lou in the winter (both 4.8"). The difference is quite dramatic.

Anyway, be careful what you wish for 🙂

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Unfortunately, me buying a fatbike seems to have broken winter, so no pictures in the snow yet.

Looks great. Loving the blue rim tape.

ICT is definitely cooler. I'd go for it just for the name to be honest. 🙂

http://singletrackmag.com/reviews/surly-ice-cream-truck-long-term-test/ 😀

http://singletrackmag.com/reviews/long-termer-surly-ice-cream-truck-part-3/ 😆

http://singletrackmag.com/reviews/first-date-surly-ice-cream-truck/ 😆

Hope this helps?

Oh and Charlie the Bikemonger has frames in stock.

I've ordered the frameset. Just trying to figure out how to fit my Turbine Cinch cranks now. Spacer hell

ICT takes a Pressfit 41mm dia BB - shouldn't be any need for spacers assuming you have a 120mm spindle crank. Hope PF41/30mm is another option

Spacers are required for the Cinch cranks, in fact Race Face do (did?) a spacer kit specifically for the ICT. I just can't get one this side of the Atlantic.

good choice...
I bought an ICT ops frame back in november and right now I´m waiting for the last parts to start the build .. :-)...
cranks will be also RF turbine and so I was looking for the ICT spacer kit ..no chance ..
meanwhile I bought the standard spacers
http://www.ubyk.co.uk/race-face-cinch-bb30-spacer-conversion-kit/19696
and will put them on the lathe to make it fit..
with the hope stainless PF41-30BB
thats from MTBR ..the ICT spacers
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Cheers acu, that's some impressive patience right there.
I've bought 2 of [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Race-Face-F10011-Cinch-Bottom-Bracket-Spindle-Kit-BB386/401053642180?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3Dbfcac09bac034b09b6ffb0b34b05d94d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D401053606930 ]this[/url] kit each which has 5 off 2.5 mm spacers.
Fairly sure the ICT kit has 6 off 2.5 mm spacers so this should do the job. Not adverse to a spot of bodging if necessary.

There was always a part of me that regretted buying the ICT as a complete bike (even though it was pretty heavily discounted). Just looking at that picture of the crank spacers makes me glad I did. I am not smart enough.

Industry standards ... Do not generally apply to Fatbikes...

Hope the build goes well

Cheers rickmeister.

All part of the fun. Bike builds are all a bit easy these days. Not enough filing bits off chain devices to make them fit anymore.

It was the front / rear disc spacing one that got me when I fitted the brakes..

Had to make a bracket up for that one...

As you say, its half the fun.

I don't know if you are running 1x or 2x but I have a front mech with a Problem Solver spacer for wide cranks here, new, looking for a home..

Will be running 1x with a lovely Absolute black oval chainring.

Much as I love steel, I love my carbon fatbike (dude) even more. It's my one bike to rule them all, no question. So much more pleasurable uphill, whether pedalling or carrying.
OP, I have various 190 cranks, new ones, for sale. Email in profile if you are interested.

@guitarhero - I've the AEffect cranks (cheapskate*) on my Singular Puffin rather than the Cinch. I run the AB oval chainring, direct mount, makes quite a bit of difference.

*actually I couldn't run the Cinches as I'm limited to 24mm spindle due to the EBB on the Puffin and the Cinch is 30mm

Industry standards ... Do not generally apply to Fatbikes...

yep...just "converted" a 32mm salsa flip lock seatclamp to the
"ICT standard"... 33.1mm 😀

Bugger forgot about seat clamp.

Edit: Phew, seem the frameset comes with a clamp. Would quite like a QR though

Was <£1500 Canyon Dude ever considered?

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/mtb/dude/dude-cf-8-0.html

Good luck with the ICT build!

Accu did you just open it out or doing anything else. I'd like to fit a QR seat clamp to my Wednesday.

OP, I wanted an ICT, but ended up with a Wednesday - its not light - but rides fantastic 😀

I love a bike build as much as the next guy, but I must admit I wimped out and bought the Surly OD cranks and BB for my ICT build 😳

I can't say I've ever noticed the weight of the ICT when I'm riding it. I notice the difference in tyres. With Jumbo Jims it loves to climb, but with Bud/Lou I really feel the drag. The grip coming back down is unreal though.

Where I do notice all of the 35 lbs is lifting it onto the car, over a fence or just onto my shoulders for some hike-a-bike. The latter being a regular occurrence as it eggs me on to explore the places where trails go to die. So, I wouldn't rule out a plastic fat bike one day. I just need to convince myself that I'm not going to lose any of the fun that I get from this big steel lump of a bike.

Ps. I'm sure my frame came with a seat clamp

andy, I put it on the lathe,
but a mate used the original 32mm salsa flip lock clamp for nearly
a year on his wednesday, he just opened it enough with a screwdriver !

the ICT comes with the surly constrictor seatclamp but i wanted one with a lever..

salsa used to make a flip lock clamp in 33.1, but thats the same with the spacer kit, no chance to get one, even in the US its very rare

All Surly frames ship with seatclamp, I believe. Thanks Accu

My wife has a Surly Wednesday, not sure of the weight but it's significantly more than the 14Kg of my Puffin. Given that both are steel frames then the difference has to be in either the wheels/tyres or the components.

Checking [url= https://fat-bike.com/2012/01/tire-weights-for-fat-bikes/ ]the list here[/url] the Nates (27tpi) come in at 1690g each and my Vanhelgas are 1340g so that's 750g. I've a carbon fork whereas the fork on the Wednesday is steel, probably another kilo there.

She also notes that it's a pig to lift around but that the weight isn't really noticeable once she's riding it.

I'd love an ICT, just haven't got the spare cash or room at the min, even now when Charlie has them for £1.6k.

I've just bought back my old Karate Monkey (full M875 XT bits - wheels/brakes/groupset) from my brother. Thinking I need to try 650B+ or 29" x 50mm rims with a 2.5 on the back and 3.0 on the front....

Love surlys though, they make great bikes, enjoy the Truck!

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I've just bought back my old Karate Monkey (full M875 XT bits - wheels/brakes/groupset) from my brother. Thinking I need to try 650B+ or 29" x 50mm rims with a 2.5 on the back and 3.0 on the front....

Love surlys though, they make great bikes, enjoy the Truck!

I totally get that - like I said earlier I'm a fan of how Surly's ride. So much so I've just bought a KM Ops to go alongside my Pug!

It was the one bike I really regretted selling, luckily it was just to my brother, and he's sold it back to me to buy an XC race bike.

I fitted my cinch cranks to my ICT using the hope press fit PF41 30BB, Race face 189 mm length spindle bought from Silverfish.
Then bought part no HC105-48 x 2 from Hope via LBS £2.80 each as these are 10mm, 30mm spindle spacers.
Using one on the drive side then reducing the other one for non drive side by only 1mm , fits a treat.
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cheers st4nley...that helps a lot,
really like the colour of your ICT,
with the golden hubs..very good !

Cheers St4nley, that's helpfull. I've got 10 2.5mm spacers coming but have gone for the Race Face BB. Did you fit the 1 mm spacers (BB011-01) with the BB?

How far have you screwed your preload collar out?

Might get away with 10 mm of spacers on the DS 7.5 on the NDS and take the rest out with the preload collar.

accu, I got a 33.1 mm Salsa flip-lock from Charlie the Bikemonger today. Site is showing stock still.

@accu, good luck with your build, mine has become my go to bike, started out as a ICT ops but wanted something brighter.

@guitarhero, no didn't use the 1mm spacer, preload collar is screwed out just over 1mm.
May have a look at this tomorrow and come back to you.

I tried a Race face BB but it was for a 83 mm shell so without centre tube, couldn't get one for 132 shell with tube.So went for Hope instead in the end as doesn't require the tube.

Yes think you should be there or there about with the Race face spacers though if your using the Race face BB.

Good luck with your build too.

st4nley, how has the Hope BB been? How long have you been running it?

Think I'm going to order one of them and go with what looks best. The 2 x 1 mm spacers will help for fine tuning

Hope BB has been fine, not been running it long only a couple of months, I'm expecting it to be up to the usual Hope quality fingers crossed.
Never had issues with the original Surly BB either, ran that for a year in sand and Derbyshire grit.

does the hope crankset fit a ICT

ive just seen a pic of one on a spesh fatbike on facebook, but don't know if it has enough offset for a 190mm rear bike

I suppose I could email hope and ask them after Xmas

unless anybody knows?

Why email them when they have a handy [url= http://www.hopetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-AM-Crankset-Frame-fit-spec-and-Chainline.pdf ]tech doc [/url]with the details.

For the double its 79 outer and 71 inner, which is equivalent to the Surly MWOD for the moonlander (so 190 back end equivalent) which is 79.7 and 72.1.

Pretty sure you'll get a pair of 10mm spacers with the 190mm Turbine Cinch cranks - mine certainly did - but it was 2 years ago, so my memory's fading of what came in what box.

Yes the Hope crankset would fit as it has a Q factor of 219 with the 192mm spindle.

Race face has Q factor of 223 mm with 189mm spindle.

I did try a Hope crankset but ended up with cinch as it worked easier with spacers that were available.

Photo of clearance with Race face.
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Although, according to their [url= http://www.hopetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Hope-Cranks-BB-Compatibility_ISS-01_05-2015.pdf ]BB compatability chart [/url]the crank will fit but they dont have a BB!? Presume you just use the cups alone without an inner sleeve? Might need to rethink that email.. 😳

ah, that's good, so although I don't understand much of that, I can understand they fit 190mm

so I can get one ordered - once I decide on colour

The spacers with the 190 cinch come as 11.5 mm.

@St4nley Any chance you could post a pic of your full bike? Loving the colour

they list fat cranks as 100mm and 120 mm

so its a 120mm? (that's the bb width) but a 120mm crankset will come with a 192mm spindle?

cranks proper confuse me

There are 100mm and 120mm BB widths. Obviously you cant fit cranks for 100mm bb on a 120mm bb as the axle will be too short. However if your frame has a 190mm rear end or you want to fit 5" tyres you will need the longer axle regardless of your BB width. 192mm would appear to be the measurement of the crankset axle they supply for the 120mm BB.

ICT BB is 132mm

Happy too...
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Thanks, that is gorgeous

What's the front fender you're running there @st4nley? Could do with one on my Fatboy. Oh and I agree, that looks like a very nice bike indeed.

It's a Mucky nutz fat face fender xl

It does look great in that colour, just needs more dirt !

Cheers @st4nley

That canyon dude looks really interesting, does it have any bosses for fitting mudguards and luggage? Or is it all strap on framebags now?

I have never had a carbon bike so is it possible to fit p clips or is that a no no?

@guiterhero, you'll love it. It doesn't make sense but it just continues to amaze me.

As for reviews I think @roverpig must be my twin.

Hi Bruv

You're right though. It makes no sense at all but it just works

It's coming...........
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Unfortunately progress on the spokes for my wheel build has stalled???
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Hubba Hubba
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You've made the right choice, in my opinion.

How did they fit it in that guitar case, though? That's remarkable...

Looks like your going to have a good Christmas.

That looks very nice indeed. Is the Dune donating parts, or are you perhaps looking to move it on at some stage..?

Gotta love the colour....

@downshift. I had changed everything barring wheels on the dune anyway so it will be returned to (virtually) stock and sold on.

Christmas has somewhat limited my build time but hope to finish today with first ride tomorrow.