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Late shift at work for me on Tuesday so I can't take part. Will be catching up with the post ride reports though! 😜


 
Posted : 21/11/2021 8:57 pm
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It’s just you that doesn’t get a draft advantage

A TT bike, so other riders can draft you at even higher speeds but you can’t draft them?

Yeap those are the ones. The correct question is what you do get instead....


 
Posted : 21/11/2021 9:39 pm
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TT bike crossed my mind also. 🤔

They can't draft you if they can't catch you.


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 11:45 am
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The MTB is prob the most sensible choice for this route. I think there is about 5% on gravel so it should work wonders...


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 11:57 am
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Now that would be madness.


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 7:20 pm
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Just be aware that if you haven't logged into Zwift for a few days there's the new update for Neokyo and a patch to install. Really like the changes they've made to the group dynamics and the name boards at the bottom of the screen, much smoother and slicker. Neokyo is one giant retina burner, with lots of little hidden gems everywhere. Not much in the way of hills but lots of small undulations everywhere that should be good for you lot at the front to attack each other if robbo includes it in the next series. Learning the terrain will be very beneficial for some!


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 9:03 pm
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Not looking forward to tomorrow, been down wit the lurgy since the weekend, hopefully I'll snap out of it for tomorrow, otherwise I may be at the back ☹️


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 9:03 pm
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Just be aware that if you haven’t logged into Zwift for a few days there’s the new update for Neokyo and a patch to install.

Do they roll these things out in stages? I was expecting to have to update this evening but I didn't get a prompt.


 
Posted : 22/11/2021 9:31 pm
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@richardkennerley - what platform are you using Zwift on? Android?
If so, I had to go into the Play Store app settings on my tablet and delete the data & cache for it to realise there was an update.

As soon as I did that it realised there was an update.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:02 am
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I've got the companion app on Android, the main app on Apple TV. I'll mess with it tomorrow, maybe delete and reinstall it.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:18 am
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On ATV go to the App Store -> Purchases (even though its free) or Installed, find Zwift and hit Update.

If there is no Update check the version number (1.19 I think) it might have auto-done it.
If that doesn't work then yes, delete and re-install, make sure you know your zwift account details.....


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:44 am
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I will be streaming tonight;


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 12:21 pm
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I've just had a hearty burger and scotch egg for my lunch. Hopefully this will see me through until the race.
Not decided on my bike choice yet. I have looked at the course profile and the TT bike option is looking favourite.
I don't think I have the power to hang on to the faster riders in front of me and my close rivals that I'd usually finish near now have a handicap advantage.
So a solo focused effort might be needed in the virtual wilderness. 🤔


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 12:43 pm
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I was stuck on the Tron option retrorick, but now you have got me thinking on the TT!

If last week was anything to go by, I will be at the back on my own. 🤷🏽‍♂️


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 1:05 pm
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i preferred it when we all had to ride mountain bikes.... didnt need to worry about bike choice then! 😀


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 1:49 pm
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TT bike would be quite risky I reckon unless you are frequently on your own.
retrorick - aren't you normally in a group? I think we end up in a similar group on the hillier courses, but on the flat you are in the next group up the road.

If I remember I might change to the Tron bike, although the one I've been using for the last few races also seems pretty good (can't remember what it is - Scott something).


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 2:00 pm
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retrorick – aren’t you normally in a group?

I would normally aim for the group you are in Stumpy01 but tonight I need to be ahead of you and out of sight!
I was lucky on the 2 part race to stay in the group ahead on the first race and in the bunch on the second as the course was short.
The length of this course is worrying me a little. If I average around 250w for the whole course I'd be happy/surprised 🤔.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 2:14 pm
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I'm not in the Tron club yet, so I'll be on my slipperiest bike and slipperiest wheels, but not the TT, I need a draft 🙂


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 2:18 pm
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As I'm not in any of the league runnings I'm thinking of TT as first to the end is the only target. The question is can I escape far enough (or at all) on the flat to compensate for how bad TT bikes climb Vs road. It's a choice of big TT effort or a lazy hide in the draft.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 3:04 pm
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"If last week was anything to go by, I will be at the back on my own. 🤷🏽‍♂️"

I'm riding tonight so either you'll have company or you'll be ahead of me!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 5:17 pm
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You guys looked like you were having fun.

Getting pissed off with this new setup now, there was no resistance at all so i was spinning out at 120 RPM to knock out the 280w needed to hold the back of the group. Nae chance of keeping that up.

Think I've sorted it now (bloody garmin watch was pairing to the controlable bit of the trainer over ant+ and over riding the bluetooth from the tablet)

Just as well really - still buggered from Saturday! Oh well, there's always next week


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:28 pm
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Hard fun. Legs are cooked now.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:56 pm
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Oof, that one hurt!

Managed to stay with the main group for about 30 seconds (not the leaders) then I dropped back to a small group with blobonastick and settled in to try and at least keep up a sustained effort for the duration. Managed to until we popped out from the volcano the second time then my left leg started to cramp up so backed off and cruised to the finish. A massive improvement for me and I got a rewards with a FTP increase to 207w! That's a 5% increase since the beginning which I'm really pleased with.

Have to give a shout out to @giggsmaster though, brilliant solo effort holding us out at 40 secs for a while and then extending it to just under a minute. No way could I have lived with that!

Now time to rest for the next one.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 8:59 pm
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Crikey, nearly saw my chicken tikka massala again after that one as I sort of flopped off the bikes onto the garage floor.

Interesting that the big group seemed to stick together longer than normal at the start...?

Big thumbs up to B Roberts and N Daniel ( @reluctantjumper, is this you?) that's the longest I've rode in a group and it worked well. From about 5k to go it felt like a sprint was coming, Mr Roberts went early but I went for broke and caught you - absolute dead heat as we hit the line and I was at about 600 Watts mainly adrenaline powered. Brilliant racing, well done.

And yes respect to Giggsmaster we thought we'd catch you but you pulled away, solid solo ride that!

Close! A photo finish after an hour is going some!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:09 pm
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Thanks for everyone for taking part in the series!

The results are provisional in case I have made any mistakes. Please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1La3WIPQUrOIv7FQHkJ_SSKDJsRoQPgCCR8RtR15TrC0/edit#gid=1334036094

Race 4 - Magnificent 8

Overall Race Winner
1. savoyad
2. nixie
3. benman

Overall Race Winner (with handicaps)
1. Paul-S
2. bails
3. benman

Sprint Points (Fuego Flats)
1. Paino
2. Savoyad
3. Phil56
4. JR
5. mahowlett

KOM Points (Watopia KOM Reverse)
1. benman
2. savoyad
3. paino
4. nixie
5. JR

Green Jersey Standings
1. paino
2. savoyad
3. straighliner

KOM Standings
1. benman
2. savoyad
3. paino

Series Top 3 (including sprint/fastest lap points) Best 6 race points counts
1. Paul-S
2. J-R
3. mahowlett

Racers Racer Poll
Ok here are the 4 nominations for racers racer

1. Savoyad - lighting up the front of the race with multiple attacks and keeping everyone on their toes
2. retrorick - For attempting to win on a MTB and looking inspired as he opened a 10 second gap
3. stumpy01 - FOr general good nature in spite of adversity
4. reluctantjumper - for shear bloody determination and always putting it on the table despite having to ride on your own at times

Hopefully the poll below will work and the voting is open!

https://doodle.com/poll/7w7nn4t8ic9s7isr?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:27 pm
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I've fully recovered from the race, I'll probably have to contend with a sore arse on the commute tomorrow morning tho 🤔.
How did the race go for me?
Well I was slightly worried before the start, I wasn't feeling as if I could go the distance.
The bunch at the start went well for me I managed to hover near the middle/front of the pack for the first few km.
When the climb began and the group split I lost track of Stumpy01 and thought he might of latched on the lead group?
I managed to remain in the next big group including Jim double u, M.Pewsey, M Bailey, J Sartin, S Patton, Andeh, A Atkinson and Paul. (I took a photo to remember everyone's name).
Through the desert we went from being 35 seconds down on Robbo to bring nearly 2 minutes down prior to Robbo giving up near the end.
Whilst in the desert I noticed that Stumpy01 was behind by over 1.30 Which surprised me a little.
I probably could of finished stronger at the end but couldn't remember the course.

Roll on TT Thursday 🤣


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:32 pm
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Well done all that was tought tonight. The normal fast start and a decent group. Its a bit blurry as to when it wittled down. I had to go all out on the climb to remain in the group but managed to get over the top on a group of 5 or 6. Tried to real in Nixie and Savoyad as part of the group but it wasnt happening. Then nixie dropped adam who dropped back to the group.

I was afraid of getting dropped coming out of the desert on the hill as I easily had the worst power to weight ratio of the group so powered up and stayed with the group. When it broke again in the volcano I tried to bridge to the fast boys almost made it and dragged everyone across but blew up. I went all out tonight - got some new power best and actually felt pretty comfortable for about 40 mins or so. It was only the final bridge that did me in. Was struggling a bit with cramp in my hip.

Still 12 mins at 340w and intervals has me with a new ftp at 308w. Onwards and upwards. Next week we visit the New York and the first time a STW series has gone up the NY KOM on the glass roads. With the hills the next two races arent really suited to me but will give it all for a strong finish to the series.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:37 pm
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Cheers Robbo have I gone mad but is the link the wrong results ?


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:42 pm
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Cheers @snotrag @reluctantjumper. For some reason it felt good today, maybe not being at work helped out.

Keeping up with the (steady??) lead group at the beginning and pulling out some time on you guys gave me a chance.

Also, @stumpy01 sending out some good vibes with all the encouragement in the middle of the race, I needed that, nearly gave up!

All I can say, Spaghetti Bol, food of champions! 😂

Although, it has given me a FTP increase from 183 to 188 now. Thanks @robbo1234biking


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:44 pm
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Yep wrong results link - sorry!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oxAKc92qCMD5s-Odc4kCjngmxE15jED9erVq0PKq5CY/edit#gid=1628366731

Here is the right one!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:47 pm
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2. retrorick – For attempting to win on a MTB and looking inspired as he opened a 10 second gap

I'm sure it was 20 seconds 🤪🤣.
Don't vote for me.
But if I win I'll donate in £ the number of points I've won divided by the number of races I've entered to the nominated charity.
(I'll do that anyway even if I lose).
I can't race the last race either 😭


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:47 pm
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Cheers Robbo enjoyed tonight that’s a good course thanks to K Allen for all the encouragement.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:49 pm
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Link for any chairty donations below:

I have set up a GoFundMe for people who have enjoyed the series. This time around we are raising money for The Firefighters Charity which provides support to Firefighters and their families during tough times. This is a cause close ot my heart as my Dad has been a Firefighter for coming up to 50 years. My Dad was ill a number of years ago when I was pretty young and the charity helped by giving us a few days away as a family after spending a lot of time in hospital. They do a lot of good work for Firefighters and families supporting them through tough times.

https://www.firefighterscharity.org.uk/

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stw-race-series-fundraiser?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:52 pm
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My FTP is up from 247 - 267.
Low rpm approach is paying dividends 🤔


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:56 pm
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@robbo1234biking - that link points to Autumn Series?

Edit: I see you've already fixed it 🙂

Felt like I was doing all I could to stay in the group I was in for most of the time. Had a bit of a nose with 4km to go, but nothing doing. Got smoked on the final climb.

Think I was close to an FTP effort so probably about right.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:59 pm
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First time on a bike of any form since last Tuesday where I died a thousand deaths. I think my body is telling me to rein it in a bit. Whatever virus I caught has totally floored me, just can’t get my HR down to where it should be. Normally I’d be cruising at 135-140 bpm but I was well over 165W for the majority. Still aimed at getting sprint points (although a bit pointless as I’m away next week) so did my best to follow @Savoyad up the KOM. He got me in the end by 0.2seconds, then both of us schooled by @benman!
A decent gap opened so on the flat tested myself and quickly realised I had nothing in the tank, well, comparatively to @nixie and Adam, so slowed to meet the @Robbo1234biking & @J-R group. Probably a good decision as it gave me time to recover for the sprint, which I’ve literally no idea how I took it. After that it was hanging on as Phil decided enough was enough, ably assisted by some Robbo & Savoyad surges. Think the rest of us clung on for dear life.
Brutal race, but thanks once again Robbo for the time to organise. Vote cast for Savoyad….just a machine at the front. Strong absolutely everywhere. There’s a good haul of points up for grabs next week…I’ll be watching from sunny Cyprus. Not a turbo in sight!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 9:59 pm
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@jimdubleyou there is a corrected link a few posts down. Realised to late to edit the original post!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 10:02 pm
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Retrorick - when it's flat I struggle to hang onto the lead group long enough to get in one of the front groups. Just lacking the all out power & stamina to hang on!

Got in a group with NArnold and 2 others...my mind has gone blank on names though! After a couple of surges from NArnold it was just the two of us. I felt like my only chance was to try and get a break, so pushed hard on the hill out of the underwater tunnel. Got about a 7sec gap but slowly got reeled in and I was battered. Nothing to respond with on the run to the line.
My body feels wrecked now 🤣

Happy to help out Giggsmaster! That hill broke our group a bit. I suffered on my own for a lot of the Paris race and know that it starts to become a bit of mind over matter.

No ftp increase all series so far. Obviously not putting my full effort in!!


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 10:13 pm
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I enjoyed that. The mind games backfired at the start when I re-entered the pen on the zwift carbon instead of a TT bike. Needed a very quick switch back to the more sensible choice of the Tron.

The game plan was attack lots. Attack recover, attack again. Seemed to be causing a bit of chaos early on as the pack fractured in into the volcano and up towards the Italian villa. As expected it all got stretched on the KOM and I nearly lost paino and Savoyd as they sprinted towards the top. Needed a half sprint and tuck on the way down to get back. 3 became 2 into the desert when paino dropped back for some reason. Savoyd did not seem keen on pulling which was a worry as Rob was rallying the chase group. As the sprint came up it became obvious why Savoyd was freeloading as he speed off toward the banner. The effort seemed to take a fair bit out of his legs and a few tickles later I had gapped him through the waterfalls. 15k left at that point and I tried to settle into a 4.5wpkg TT. The gap got up to 36s as Savoyd fell back to the chasing group and I was starting to believe I might make it. The end of the desert dispelled that feeling as the gap started to disappear on the downs to the under water tunnel and by the start finish line I was caught.

Plan now shifted to recovery and attack towards the villas. Phil seemed to have the same idea and I had to match earlier than I wanted to go. 3 of us of us made it to the top ahead and the now recovered Savoyd made a break for the line.

All in all a very enjoyable race. It was good to be back.


 
Posted : 23/11/2021 10:41 pm
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@snotrag @reluctantjumper

What a fantastic team effort. Great riding with you guys!

Pipped on the line by Snotrag after I thought I’d got away with an attack about 600 meters out. Huge power output from you there - by the time I noticed I had so little left I couldn’t hold on.

Fab fun - thanks all!

BOAS (Ben)


 
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Been thinking about tonight's race and all in all well pleased.

Stayed with the big front group at the start, but saw everyone using their power ups and panicked so didn't have my feather for the KOM.

I'd not managed to recce the route but knew I needed to be right near the front going up the KOM to be able to stay with the fast guys, but it was not to be. I was gapped so ended up pushing as hard as I could hoping for points, but you get nothing for 10th.

I eased up over the top and waited for the 2nd group on the road, which was 10 to 18th ( good idea about the screen shot I'm rubbish at remembering names) and this is where the race completely changed for me. It felt too slow [1], but fast enough that I couldn't get away, so just a case of wheel sucking as much as I could, and watching for an attack.

I tried a test attack @ 7km to go but everyone came with me, but fortunately I didn't go too far into the red.

Sprinted to 15th with only a couple of seconds between the group. After trying hard last week when we ended up being separated by about 1 second as long as I was with the group I would have been happy.

Looking at zwiftpower, it has me down @ 200w, so I always feel like I've done well looking at other people's power outputs on the results.

Mentally the pleased bit comes from thinking about the 1st STW race, which wasn't that long ago, where I was blown out the back within 10 secs of the start, and now I'm getting in with the fast group @ the split when the hammer was put down, even if it was only for 10 seconds. It's something to work with 😉

Anyway cheers again all, thanks again @robbo1234biking, and well done @sayoyad for another win.

Sorry for the rambling nature

[1] That sounds wrong but I don't know how else to put it

Edit: rewarded with an FTP increase 219 -> 225, starting to get back to where I was last year

Also, according to Strava I've done the route 2 minutes quicker, so must try harder next race.

P


 
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@snotrag - yes, that's me. I'd have been a good minute slower if we all hadn't worked together so well, just annoyed my legs gave up just before the finish sprint.

My legs are a bit sore this morning, where do I claim for replacements under warranty?


 
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I enjoyed last night. Seemed to have a good mix of terrain. I hung around the 10-15th positions for the entire race with familiar faces.

I had a good final sprint to the line and finished 12th on the road.

@robbo1234biking i seem to not be showing in the GC w Handicap results?


 
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That was my favourite race yet I think. There was a lot happening - the race was all over the road, big swings in people's fortunes, amazing individual rides. I enjoyed being in amongst that.

I started the KOM at the back of the group and gauged myself against @paino (and felt no guilt about that 0.1s gap haha) but I didn't realise @benman had started so far back. He must have rampaged through the field to bridge groups, class ride.
I had to focus on the sprint once @paino had dropped back, but (sorry @nixie) I misjudged how soon it was so I sat in for too long. Then I put myself in a deep hole going too hard too long at the sprint, @nixie pushed just too hard for me to hang on after and @paino beat my time anyway. Aargh.
The gap was 32s when I rejoined the chase group, and with @nixie motoring along the catch seemed unlikely. Once recovered a bit, I tried to pull as hard as I could, and @phil56, @karnali and @robbo1234biking were very active on the front as well. The group was big enough to move quickly, we rolled along nicely and the gap came down fast in the tunnel. Amazing effort from @nixie to ride solo like that for so long though. He'd have made it with the standard 1-lap finish line.
The finale was aggressive - @phil56 doesn't let anyone let up and will punish you if you do, @benman wanted to go quite long, @nixie was never getting dropped. And we didn't really know where the line would be drawn...
Amazing rides (amongst others) from @benman, @paino, @nixie, @paul-s and @robbo1234biking. The top three is looking tight overall as well. Can't wait until next week.


 
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@v7fmp. I will sort that out for you!


 
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Racers Racer Poll

Voted. Not for myself tho 😉


 
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Good race, earned enough drops for my 1st bike upgrade, went for the zwift areo. I expect I'll be right at the front in the next race 🤔


 
Posted : 24/11/2021 9:36 am
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As usual I found myself clinging onto the front group, with a few of the fast boys like @phil56 and @nixie eventually getting a gap on us. After that it was just about holding on for dear life, especially up some of the bumps. Later on I was feeling quite pleased to be in a group that was reeling in the likes of @paino and @savoyad.

A bit surprised when after seeming so comfortable putting a lot of effort into the group, @robbo1234biking dropped off the back near the end. But I was soon feeling it myself too with that final little climb to the finish leaving nothing in my legs so ended up at the back of the sprint as @Paino, @karnali and @Mahowlett accelerated away.

I am always impressed about how economical a rider @mahowlett is - although Zwiftpower shows I put out higher W/kg and average W, he just seems to make more effective use of the power he produces. I guess I just need to get better about tactics and riding smoothly in a pack.


 
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I have missed all these but I am kinda interested if you guys do it again.

Some questions though:

I use Zwift with a 12 speed mountain bike, how much will that hold me back? Is it even worth trying to race with this set up?

My FTP is low compared to you lot, 187 when I tested a few days, does that mean I am going to get toasted by you all?


 
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I use Zwift with a 12 speed mountain bike

I only use 3 or 4 gears out of an available 10 when racing. The smart trainer does the gradient/resistance changes.

My FTP is low compared to you lot, 187

Depends how much you weigh. If you are ←60kg you'll probably win the handicap race.
If you are 80kg you probably won't win anything but will have a good time at the back.

I'm 75kg with a FTP of 267.


 
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Managed to hold the front bunch for longer than expected, think got separated after the volcano.

Ended up fighting for the hotly contested 20th place with Declan/Simon/Joe/Owen.

Somehow in the desert Declan pulled away and despite our attempts at a half-assed TTT stayed away. We got a hurry up from the chasing bunch of Stumpy/Neil Arnold near the end of the desert, and I got red mist and tried to catch Declan but eventually got hauled back in, and we four manned it the whole way to the last 1k, where we still managed to not catch Declan.

Respect to all, ahead and behind.

Managed 20th on the road, and 12th for average power. Going to have a brew and a few biscuits while I think on that.


 
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Call for riders! Does anyone fancy joining the STW TTT team? Everyone welcome, esp people who ride this series. Every Thursday, 7.40pm.
This week it's 3x Watopia Hilly. We put out two teams when it's busy, one team when it's not and the rules favour mixed ability teams, so everyone is "good enough".
The thread is here: https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/zwift-team-time-trial-thursday-evenings/page/8/

Come and join us?


 
Posted : 24/11/2021 12:24 pm
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Zwift with a 12 speed mountain bike

Won't that spin out on the flat? (purely down to the front chainring size)
Doing a quick test on my road bike on Tempis Fugit I can't go much faster than 35km/h in the 34T chainring (spinning at 105rpm+)


 
Posted : 24/11/2021 12:49 pm
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Enjoyed last nights race, I've improved my starts (which I had been doing completely wrong) which has meant keeping with the front group for a bit longer and then hopefully finding someone with a similar power output to work with/hang on to!


 
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Finally logged in!!

My plan last night was just to hit the KOM hard, and then chill in the pack somewhere. I've got a 'spirited' club ride tonight so wanted an easyish Tues.

That was going well until we absorbed @paino and @savoyad into our group, and then caught @nixie. Tried to drop a few riders from the group in the last 5k, as I'm no sprinter, but couldn't shake @savoyad and @nixie. Looking forward to it finally getting hilly next week. Well done on the win @savoyad, strong work.


 
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I use Zwift with a 12 speed mountain bike, how much will that hold me back? Is it even worth trying to race with this set up?

Won’t that spin out on the flat? (purely down to the front chainring size)

That's my experience. Last year I had a top gear of 50/11, this year 48/11 and I have far less gears left to use on the flat. Did try my hardtail on Zwift with 11/42 cassette and a 32t chainring and I was out of gears just pooling around in the top-end. Even playing with the difficulty setting didn't help. Gearing doesn't make a difference for training in ERG mode but for racing it really does help to have road gearing.


 
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@J-R I don't think it's efficiency, I think the biggest difference is the obvious one - you're 20cm taller than me, Xwift insider reckons that's going to cost you about 20 watts at our usual race pace - https://zwiftinsider.com/speed-tests-height/ which is a pretty big difference, enough that if we produced exactly the same numbers and were the same height, you'd beat me pretty consistently I think.


 
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@savoyad I should be back to TTT after this series, I'm normally at running track with my son on a Tuesday, but he has had a couple of months off, once that restarts I'll struggle to race after, I tried it once but a hard track running session, 40mins drive then 2 mins on bike before the off wasn't the best. So I'll shift to TTT on a Thursday.


 
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Zwift insider reckons that’s going to cost you about 20 watts at our usual race pace

I hadn't thought of that. It's good to know it's not me spending too much time on the front of the group - I was doing my best to avoid that!


 
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A quick question about the results and scoring…

I’m obviously back-of-the-pack, and very much a newbie when it comes to racing. However, I would have thought that if I’d ridden the race I would get a point, even if I came last? The way it currently is, I get the same as someone who hasn’t ridden, which seems a bit, well, disappointing

I’m sure there’s a good reason, and I know Robbo’s been doing this for aaaaages but it seems a bit odd. Can anyone explain this to me please?


 
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i think its the top 29 that get points (after handicaps), so if you fall outside of that.... nil point.

Maybe in the future series Rob could extend the points to the top 50 (although we dont currently get 50 riders) and maybe the sprints to the top 10? It might then gives more folks an incentive to ride and make the points a little tighter?

And thats not me bashing the current setup, as i think this series is so well formed and run! Just food for thought.


 
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Please don’t think I’m bashing the set-up. The effort that goes into running these things is very much appreciated.

I just wondered that’s all.


 
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However, I would have thought that if I’d ridden the race I would get a point, even if I came last? The way it currently is, I get the same as someone who hasn’t ridden, which seems a bit, well, disappointing

Wait till you win a race on the road and still get the same number of points as someone who hasn't ridden!! You do at least have the opportunity to get fitter (which you will), get used to racing (which you will) and move up the field into the points.

Oh, but then Robbo will increase your handicap - he's cruel like that


 
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I run our local junior triathlon club, pre covid we used to run a mini series of events and the chap that did the reuslts based his points system on the time gap from the winner. This seemed strange to me at first but instead of giving 100 to winner and then 95 to second 90 to third etc, a percentage was worked out on time gap. So first got 100 if you finished a second behind then you may score 99.5 points etc. Not suggesting it is used for this series as I think that @robbobikin1234 does an excellent job of organising this series and i really appreciate the work he does


 
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Great race the other night…… I couldn’t of messaged earlier in case of PTSD symptoms.

Looking forward to Tuesday!!


 
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Can anyone recommend a phone bar mount for ZwiftCompanion? Google5 - so small form factor.


 
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I get the same as someone who hasn’t ridden, which seems a bit, well, disappointing

You could also argue that if you get points for just showing up each week, you could net more points than someone who has scored points but has to miss races due to injury.

Yeah it's crap slogging your guts out for zero points, but that's racing and it makes any points you do earn, more worthwhile in my eyes.

(not that I'm biased being injured after my first few points of the series, definitely not that, never).


 
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I've managed to give myself a dose of Patella Tendinitis after last Tuesday, I knew I was giving it all!

Hopefully it clears up, it's nasty. It's the right weather for R&R at least currently.


 
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@wally

Blu Tack has seen me right for 4 years 🤫


 
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@wally

I've got one of these although this is a different brand.
Has been fine for well over a year.

Phone Bike Mount

That's not great news snotrag! Hopefully it'll clear up quickly.


 
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I’ll be dipping out of the rest of the series, caught covid last week and whilst I seem to be out of the worst of it, I’m definitely not up for racing.


 
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Bad news jimdubleyou although recovering from Covid is more important than STW race glory!

I think there's another series in the New Year so better to recover ready for that, than do yourself mischief while still getting over it.
Hope it's not hit you too hard.


 
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Hope you recover soon Jim.

Handicaps are live for tomorrow nights race now:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oxAKc92qCMD5s-Odc4kCjngmxE15jED9erVq0PKq5CY/edit#gid=1669834368


 
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Paul S for the win!
Using my analytical skills 🤔.
I could do with checking out the course profile.


 
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It's very lumpy!

I'm off work today with some horrid sinus/throat thing, but hopefully it'll blow away before tomorrow evening.


 
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retrorick

I could do with checking out the course profile.

I did a reasonably spirited effort round the course on Saturday. Kinda wish I hadn't and just gone in blind! HA HA! I concur with andeh - it's lumpy!


 
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No @Savoyad will win, I'm going for the Points. If I win the series it can go along side the chess trophy I won when I was 11, but I'm sure tat I can throw it away in the last 2 races :-).

Although I am hoping that the more climbing nature of the course will suit my lightweightedness.

I did a recce at the weekend as well: Is the finish at the top of the 2nd climb, if so then there is onlly 1 sprint. Am I correct?

P.


 
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Yes we finish around the top of the second climb depending on where the magical banner is (could be just before the crest or just after!). Maybe first to the finish could let us know!


 
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my lightweightedness.

Just how light are you 🤔.

I’m going for the Points.

All 50 should be possible!


 
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