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Just realised this series goes into the London (at least our part of it) half term so I won't be able to make race 7.
;(
This has just popped up on the Zwift Coders group! It doesn't work perfectly, and for various other technical reasons also, he's not releasing it publicly... how cool would it be though if there were some kind of proper streaming/spectator mode like this? You'd've thought if ZHQ were serious about e-sports they'd be working on it! (Then again, this is Zwift, so I'm not holding my breath 😃)
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Yes I saw that too. Would be fantastic, even better put it on to companion, or add ipad support to companion, or any number of trivial changes that would improve usability.
If they read this, they would die from loss of blood.
https://matthewbischoff.com/software-paper-cuts/
I appreciate Zwift, but they sure are slow at simple things.
@v7fmp Look at https://intervals.icu/ it will give you your ride eFTP and eFTP figures which seem accurate.
@dangeourbrain, nice stream, I felt your pain at the 14 min split, wrong wheel, I've done that plenty of times, makes a change from watching @DrP disappear off the front 😉
P.
Yeah, it really didn't help but mainly it was poor decision making. Still I've had plenty of practice at that over the last 40 years so play to your strengths and all.
It's actually quite useful being able to watch it back, I can see exactly where my reluctance to chase thinking it would come back together (as it had several times already) goes from being prudent to fatal.
@Paul-S cheers for the link. I signed up. Now trying to process soooooo much info!!!
Finally some (teeny tiny) improvement! 86.5 @ 287 now robbo.
I'll let you guess which is FTP and which is kg, I'm not so sure recently.
It seems Zwift is less keen than I on half kilos 🤣
Also got a tiny FTP improvement tonight @ Robbo of 260
@zilog6128 you got a link to that? Looks great.
There is a broadcast version of zwift but I don't think it is something just anyone can get access to.
@nixie it's not anything that's available for download or actual use, I'm sure you could message the guy though to ask advice if you wanted to try to recreate something similar! It is extremely cool.
Here's his thread: https://forums.zwift.com/t/request-to-release-zwift-semi-public-api/575162
video:
I'm (mostly) back in the game following the 'Rona...
So here's the live stream for Tuesday!
Enjoy!
DrP
Handicaps are live for tomorrow night.
Oooft, that is not a confidence inspiring handicap 😂
I'm confoosed by the race numbers!! I thinks cos teh double header was 2a and 2b... but on the spreadsheet they are race 2 and 3, right?
I are fick.
DrP
Not any more they dont 😉 correctly labelled now.
There IS a god... 😉
Ha! Fab stuff!
DrP
There IS a god… 😉
But he doesn't think he's a Dr
sigh!!!
DrP
The old ones are [s] the best [/s] old
@robbo1234biking I think I may be free to race tomorrow, though that will be the only one I can enter. Could you drop me over a the race link please when you have a chance.
OOooh. Nixie, DrP, Savoyad, Robbo, JR, Donnersrider, Phil.... It's gonna be spicy up front. 🙂
@slowpuncheur I don’t think I’ll be up front with the spicy riders this time, I’m still suffering the tail end of the cold that stopped me racing last week.
#getyourexcusesinearly
Yeah..hopefully suits us weenies!!!
I'm feeling waaay better than 2 weeks ago (the london race), so hopefully fighting fit for tomorrow!!
Braaaap braaap!
DrP
#getyourexcusesinearly
Zwift makes me over declare my weight.
2 laps of Yorkshire tonight (opposite way round to the TTT last week for those who rode that!)
https://zwiftinsider.com/route/2019-uci-worlds-harrogate-circuit/
Good luck all!
Well owing to this being my first week of concerted effort to exercise properly I was expecting to struggle a bit tonight. now thanks to a patch of mushy leaf litter on the commute this morning as he a fairly heavy landing I'm a bit sore, so maybe even less competitive than the not very competitive I envisaged.
However, course report, Harrogate is a bit wet this morning, lots of leaves and detritus on the road following the wind over the last few weeks so stay away from the margins especially, but it's a good temperature for racing at least.
I hate Harrogate. Even when it's going down, it feels uphill...
As you'd expect, i'm very much a no for this race. lol
dangeourbrain
now thanks to a patch of mushy leaf litter on the commute this morning as he a fairly heavy landing I’m a bit sore, so maybe even less competitive than the not very competitive I envisaged.
Nightmare! Hopefully nothing worse than a bit of bruising?!
This course looks tough, but I'm oddly looking forward to it. I rode it on Monday on a workout, but you can't really get a feel for it with ERG on, so it will be an interesting one.
I need to make a more concerted effort to stay with people on the hills - I quite often let a gap open at the start of the hill & then struggle to reel it back.
I really enjoyed last week's race, so hoping for more of the same tonight.
weeksy
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As you’d expect, i’m very much a no for this race. lol
How come? That's a shame. It was good fun last week.
Nightmare! Hopefully nothing worse than a bit of bruising?!
Just bruising I think. Hand hurts and hip is nice shade of purple already and stiffening up but hopefully that will ease up a bit as the day goes on.
I am not racing tonight as I am ice climbing in Cogne, have fun all.
Paul I'll be back to trying to beat you next week. Maybe my handicap will improve!
No race for me tonight. Stuart Lee in Cheltenham......
BlobOnAStick
No race for me tonight. Stuart Lee in Cheltenham……
Enjoy - I saw him a couple of years ago in Peterborough & he was very funny. He spent quite a lot of time taking the pee out of all the racist brexiteers that inhabit the fens and seemed to revel in it.
How come? That’s a shame. It was good fun last week.
Couldn't be a course less suited to me on Zwift.
@msjhes2, that's a shame, I was looking forward to a good tussle tonight, wasn't sure how I'd make 50 secs on you. Enjoy the Ice climbing, we can lock horns next week 🙂
P
will be back tonight. Completely unfit from skiing and ebiking..
not looking forward to it!
I won't be racing this evening as I'm rather sore.
Will see how the ride home feels before I decide if that means attending and whimpering my way round or feeling sorry for my self in front of the telly.
Enjoy tonight folks, just leaving Aviemore after an awesome long weekend of walking, skiing with kids and drinking, mainly drinking.
Late in the day I know @robbo1234biking but when it comes to placings I’ve managed to get my weight back to 73kg so handicap will need adjusting.
It's a no for me tonight 🙁
Can't do it again tonight, long days at work and I've only just eaten me tea, pie and mash. Have no desire to see it again!
Have a good one! 🚴♂️🔥😰
My feed;
Oof..Great breakaway early by nixie.... felt too hard for me, sav, and donnely to catch up!
Let's felt OK sitting at 3-5w/kg.... but struggled to peak above 8/kg on the climbs amd sprints!
If you wanna watch again 🤣🤣
DrP
First race in ages. Got on 2nd group then somehow had the legs on the last big climb did a big effort then broke away for last 5k. Loved it but buggered now utterly buggered
I hate Harrogate.
That was horrible… might have salvaged some sprint points, not sure how far ahead of me the finishers were…
Urgh. That was horrible. Unplanned breakaway follow by lots of hurt opening then trying to hold a gap. You nearly closed that down at the end.
Nearly.... but no cigar!
I think if we pushed a bit as a three, TT style, in the shallow bits,... maybe...
But a well deserved win!
I spanked myself... TWICE.... catching up each lap after the kom and sprint.... just couldn't put down the high watts needed to maintain the climb!
Post COVID legs 🦵 🤣🤣🥴🥴🤷♂️
My max Watts was only 680 odd...
DrP
That was horrid, lost the top 5 1/2 way up the 1st hill, then dug deep to try and make a 2nd group with D.Riley & John B, but we only ever got 3 seconds and the other 2 didn't seem fully committed to it, I looked down to write and encorragin message but we had been caught before I even managed to send it.
Watching the replay, it looks as if those that made it in the split didn't have an easier ride, P.Tunstall, Robbo C.Donnelly and B.Clark all getting dropped and swallowed up in our chasing pack.
It all stayed the same until near the end, I'm not sure where, and I just couldn't keep the pace any more. I rode with A Atkinson, and tried to launch a long sprint, but the burritto didn't deploy as the phone screen was too wet, and I didn't have the legs to stay with the counter attack, so dropped 8 ish seconds to him in the end.
Well done all, well deserved win for nixie.
thanks again Robbo, a most painful yet excellent series.
PS. Put in a big effort for the sprint, so will be well niffed if I don't get any points, as that is probably what caused me the suffering later on.
Also no FTP increase !!! WFT is going on !!
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Thanks for everyone for taking part in the series! Hope you all enjoyed it.
The results are provisional in case I have made any mistakes. Please let me know.
Race 5 - Yorkshire UCI 2019
Overall Race Winner
1. nixie
2. DrP
3. Savoyad
Overall Race Winner (with handicaps)
1. bails
2. Paul-S
3. J-R
Yorkshire Sprint Forward
1. savoyad
2. sturdylad
3. jonnysartin
4. jimdoubleyou
5. Paul-s
Yorkshire KOM Forward
1. savoyad
2. donnersrider
3. DrP
4. robbo1234biking
5. sturdylad
Green Jersey Standings
1. paino
2. savoyad
3. slowpuncheur
KOM Standings
1. savoyad
2. Donnersrider
3. DrP
Series Top 3 (including sprint/fastest lap points) Best 6 race points counts
1. Paul-S
2. msjhes2
3. slowpuncheur
Combined Sprint and KOM Points Total
1. savoyad
2. paino
3. donnersrider
I have set up a GoFundMe for people who have enjoyed the series. This time around we are raising money for Diabetes UK. Slowpuncheur has been a regular in this race series from the start. On Fathers Day last year he ended up taking his son to hospital as he wasn't feeling well. Many hours later they were delivered the news that his son is Type 1 diabetic. His son has adjusted well to the changes in life and continues to do everything he wants to. Diabetes UK helps his son and others like him through investment in Diabetes research and support for other Diabetes sufferers. I know there are also others on the forum who have diabetes or close family members with diabetes.
@paul-s you got a sprint point!
Urgh definitely left my legs at work today. Really bad day today felt weak just warming up. Not the course to be on when not at the races.
Last lap was hanging on for dear life just to finish the race
Well done everyone
Entered the pen to see everyone pulling away... oops. Mad sprint off the line to catch up and by then the front group(s) had already gone. Quite pleased to see @Robbo1234biking drop back as well as our group hoover up the smaller groups including @Paul-S.
Hanging on was about all I could manage. Nothing left at the end as others just pulled away up the last 2 hills.
Christmas, Covid and a new baby might require an FTP reset! Good racing, I think I enjoyed it. That feeling you get in your stomach that just wants to come out - that's what fun feels like right?
Tough one tonight, was hanging on right from the off. Lost the lead group on the first climb despite a couple of efforts to try and get back on, it didn't take long to realise I wasn't in that race race tonight.
A good second group established itself and we stuck together until the end.
I was properly on the limit tonight.
Thanks for organising again Robbo
Argh that hurt, are the sprint & KOM points handicapped? I thought I was in with a chance of some points today!
Please can I update my weight & FTP - 69kg and intervals.icu says 255w - I've still not recovered from the flu in December!
That course was properly tough, even the downs required a decent power to keep the speed up with everyone else!
Spent all of the race on my own at the back again (even when the leader board said I had two riders nearby, never saw them!), it really does slow you down being away from a group. I need to really work on my power though so as to keep with everyone on the starts as my W/Kg figures don't seem to be much worse than the groups that I can tell. I just don't have any top-end to use off the line or for sprints.
Ha! That was epic!!
Good group with freeride Nick, Mark Bailey, OGG, J Sartin, Zilog and DFee I think.
We reeled in J Donelly who went away at the start of the second lap, but we reeled him in again. About halfway round the second lap I realised fr Nick had buggered off up the road. No way to haul him back.
Next thing I know I realised there was only Mark Bailey & OGG with me. We pushed hard to the line and I was determined that I was gonna not get beaten in a sprint.
That was a great group riding round and working quite well together.
@reluctantjumper - that used to be my problem. If you can't hang on for a few mins at the start it really stuffs you up and you then have to do all the hard work on your own.
Keep working at it and it'll come 👍🏻
Yeah, really enjoyed that right up until the 2nd time up the KOM when I blew up! It’s actually a really great course in the sense that you never get bored, it’s so tough though if the group you are in is attacking every climb (which they pretty much were!!)
Great ride from FR nick, did have a little chuckle when he rode off, [i]knew[/i] all the “woe is me, I’m so unfit 😭” BS at the start was all mind-games 😂
@nixie dismantled us there. He got away, put time into us when we were chasing the hardest, and then held the gap so he was never in danger of being caught. Sure, the gap in the sidebar got smaller towards the finish, but (and this is the crucial metric haha) I don't think we believed in the catch for the last half lap or so.
@robbo1234biking pulled the whole race up the first drag and did some real damage. Then @nixie announced his intentions by surging around the bend in Beckwithshaw, and I think that shook things up again - @slowpuncheur was one side of the gap...and then the other.
I thought the KOM on lap 1 would be fast enough for the points, so I was relieved the way the race was broken up when we got there lap 2. And I love that finish, and thought my feather might get me away from @drp but I'm not even sure I ever even got my nose in front. That broke me...so badly that he was checking I was OK in the chat after! Thanks @drp and @donnersrider for working together like that. It was a tough chase today.
Congrats @bails. That course is full on all the way round (like @reluctantjumper says even the descents seem hard work!) so the handicap win on there is a serious victory.
Is there a way to see all the KOM sprint and finish times?
https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=2561557
Go to the primes tab. You have to sort by fastest time and then check the lap times between the two laps.
Can I claim the sprint first place please (pretty please). My lap 1 time steals it I think (unless you only recording those in the points running).
Yeh I haven’t included you in the points nixie but technically you did go fastest!
What’s interesting looking at figures, and from my own awareness, is that @nixie ‘s race craft is sublime!
My w/kg for the race was 4.1, his a bit less… I seem to be spunking watts left right and centre… and he holds back, uses the pack, and then delivers where it’s needed!
I think I used to be better a year or so back in these races…then missing a season really does lose your skill in sitting in the draft, figuring out the zwift dynamics etc….
I guess practice and repeat racing is needed on my behalf!
Bravo all for racing though..that was a ruddy tough course!
DrP
Phew. Grippy. Very grippy. I kind of love and hate that course. As @savoyad said: I was hanging with the fast lads then....bang. @nixie started to cause merry hell and as the red bars extended on the screen, I/my legs decided to sit up and wait for the second group as the gap grew. A solid group effort from then and I was surprised to see @robbo1234biking falling back. It shows the calibre of that lead group. Impressive number chaps. Robbo, @tomnavman and I managed to forge ahead near the top of the KOM second time around and pressed on to the end with about a 10s gap on the rest. Faced with a climber in Tom and a big old diesel engine (Robbo)I struggled to sit on as we got onto the final straight climb and they had a few digs, Burritos and feathers were flying. I managed to hang in and unleash a mediocre sprint to take 5th overall. Disappointed to miss next week with it being half term. Enjoy the slog up the big hill;)...I'll miss it.
@Ogg and @stumpy01 thanks for that. It was bloody hard, I nearly gave up after 10 minutes as my legs felt really heavy but told myself to stop being daft and to get on with it. I was going to say how hard I'd had to work to hang on with you two, so it's good to hear you say the same! Sorry for the burritos, I did at least use one on a steep hill to minimise the damage it caused as I was never going to be able to drop you so couldn't use it for a freeride Nick style breakaway.
@savoyad thanks. It always feels like a bit of a cheat finishing 'not first' and then seeing that I won with handicaps applied, but at least in getting some reward for wringing myself out!
@bails that was a well deserved win…
What i love about these races (basically robbo’s efforts) is the handicap system…
EVERYONE is racing at their max effort (mostly) and thus a bit of guile and skill can make big differences in the handicap result!
Bravo chap!
DrP
Thanks DrP, I've been trying to work on using the courses to make up for my shortcomings (though what you do is better for fitness). The 20 minute numbers aren't a true reflection on this course due to aero tucks at a few points. 20 min would have been a fair bit higher without those. Boosting into hills is a very useful skill to learn if you want to make your life easier.
I do like the Yorkshire courses. They bloody hurt but at least there are options for attacks. The lap 1 hit around Beckwithshaw was one such point. It looked big and caused chais but in reality it is only a short effort just there and my higher weight pays back on the way down.
I never intended to solo over a lap off the front. A gap kind of opened and then kept opening up a bit of the course I didn't expect it would. By the time we hit the KOM my legs were pretty spent and it started to come down. A 3 way TTT and.it would have been over. The actual plan was to repeat the lap 1 attack, string out the group and then pull away going down as I'm heavier. I figured that would open enough to just be able to stay away on the KOM.
Well I managed to stick with a faster group for a while, but I was right on the limit and I knew it wouldn’t last. I think @stumpy01 gave me a push at some point with his little confidence booster quote. I lost the wheel of the group on a short incline, I blame myself for watching footy at the same time, can I have that as an excuse??
@neilarn2 and @mossimus then caught me up and I thought I would be able to stick with these guys, but no such hope. Dropped again, I started to slip further back with @jimdubleyou catching at a hell of a rate. Got to the bottom of the last incline thinking I had the position in the bag, but Jim came from nowhere to latch on to my wheel. Nice sprint to finish off, but I had no chance of beating Jim.
Great race in all and a little FTP increase. 199w to 200w!
That cleared the tubes out a bit after my cold. It was the toughest race I've had this series with HR over 160 to 170 most of the time, but still about 5% down on my usual FTP.
But the racing was fun: I needed to get a gap vs @Paul-S but when @Dave Riley and @sturdylad accelerated near the end of the Otley Road drag Paul went with them but I was already running on max with nothing left so had to settle down in the third group. Can't remember who was with me, but it was a good group and slowly we caught up with many of those in front, such as @Robbo1234biking and Paul.
Maybe Paul paid for that early effort because by the second lap he was half a minute back. @tomnavman, @slowpuncheur and Robbo made a small gap on the second climb up the Yorkshire KOM and again I couldn't go with them and could only just cling onto the group I was in with @v7fmp, @yanboss, plus Dave Riley and Sturdylad who put in good efforts to win out on the nasty uphill sprint.
Well done everyone - painful but enjoyable.
Another what if race for me. If only I could sprint!!!
I set a hard pace straight out of the gate on the first hill with the aim of getting a smaller group out front. That bit of the plan worked and there were about 7 of us who crested together. After that the pace settled a bit in the group until Nixie wound things up before we even got to the KOM. I just couldn't hold the pace on the KOM climb and dropped about 30 seconds back on my own. I wasn't going to be able ot maintain a 20ish second gap to the group behind so I sat up and waited for them to re-join. The second time round was a much more comfortable pace and I pushed a couple of times with the aim of tiring everyone out.
When we hit the KOM the second time slowpuncher, tom and myself got free by a few seconds and eventually squeezed out a 10 second gap. I tried shaking them about 1km from the end but this didnt work. I went early on the sprint again hoping to hold onto a gap but they both got the better of me and I sat up and dawdled over the line for 7th. I was aiming for a top 5 placing.
I got power PBs for everything between 2min 30 and 7 minutes and lots of PBs on Yorkshire so some good positives.
Time to work on the sprint during the off season I think!
im happy with 11th after handicaps. That race just feels like one constant uphill!
Took me a few minutes to get into the groove and find the enthusiasm, but once i did, it was fun trying to push on.
I managed to stay with the second blob on the road until the 2nd time over the KOM. I was producing around 300w, but it just wasn't enough to stick with the boys. I tried to bridge on the way down the other side, but didn't have the power. So it was a solo last 4.5km trying my best to keep the gap between myself, @Paul-S and @drew, which i managed to do, but it wasn't easy!
@robbo1234biking It might be good to reflect on a couple of things and not be too disheartened: 1. the first four are Cat A riders - it went to form. You only finished 7th because Tom and I hadn't ripped everyone's legs off several times and we held something back for the sprint. 2. When I started these races we were both Cat C and I could comfortably beat you on most courses. How things change 😉 To improve as you have whilst also organising the whole shooting match deserves enormous credit.
In fact, lots of people have really come on in leaps and bounds and I dare say that wouldn't have happened without the competitive drive this series generates in us. Next weeks route really isn't one I'm suited to but I'll be gutted to me is. That says it all 🙂
@slowpuncheur - 100%. I have become stronger and fitter due to these race days. I wouldn't flog myself for so long on a weekly basis otherwise!
So hooray for robbo and hooray for us lot for getting involved!
In fact, lots of people have really come on in leaps and bounds and I dare say that wouldn’t have happened without the competitive drive this series generates in us.
Definitely. I'm still at a similar level to what I was in the first series (God knows how bad I'd be without doing all the racing!) and the people I us d to battle with are now miles up the road and putting out much bigger numbers. It's like being reminded weekly of "this is what you could have won.." 🤣
What @slowpuncheur said - about @robbo1234biking (who really did tear everyone's legs off in the first 4km yesterday, As or not) and the series (its creation is an amazing achievement I'm so appreciative of).
And @drp is right - the handicap system is brilliant and adds another dimension to every race.
I knew I would be dropped off any bunch when we hit the first hill so my plan was to not go too hard from the off, just try to hang on to anyone who came past.
This turned out to be @neilarn2 and @jimdubleyou, who both also gradually buggered off into the distance. I was convinced I had a 40 sec handicap on jimdubleyou, which made me hang on even after he was way head. Turns out I had a bigger one, so ended up ahead on adjusted time.
If it wasn't for the handicap system, I would deffo have slowed right down in the last 6kms on my own.
I don't like those big hills, whats next week ?
haloric
I don’t like those big hills, whats next week ?
Not many gradient changes next week. Just a shame that the gradient is just up most of the way 🙂
https://zwiftinsider.com/route/la-reine/
We're not doing the whole route though. Just 16km of it, I think.