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Please tell me about the 11 setup...
The 11 speed cassette will go on a 10 speed hub? The lower 42t gear sits in the dishing of the spokes, which means the overall height of the 11 speed cassette is greater than the 10 speed cassette. Now if the height of the 11 speed cassette is greater, by how much? Do the individual gears have the same spacing and thickness as the 10 speed cassette?
Yes.
(It's a 40t btw).
A bit.
No (I think tbc) and yes (rollers same width,side plates thinner).
I was just wondering whether the 11 speed cassette spacing is the same as the 10 speed cassette.
Yes it will fit on a 10 spd cassette.
From what I've read- the spacing and thickness is different to the 10 spd.
Why do you ask- compatibility with other components ?
Compatibility? Yes.
I supposing that if the cassette spacing was the same;
The 10 speed mech would be suitable to use, as each shift would be the same distance as the 10 speed.
Same goes for the chain.
A modified range expander could be used where the 40t XTR gear would be.
Just a thought, thats all..
Even if the spacing was the same, the range of a 10-speed rear mech might not be enough. It's the pull ratio of the shifter that matters anyway, not the spacing of the cassette - hence the reason a 9-speed mech can be used on 7/8-speed setups despite different cassette spacing.
I supposing that if the cassette spacing was the same;
The 10 speed mech would be suitable to use, as each shift would be the same distance as the 10 speed.
Same goes for the chain.
A modified range expander could be used where the 40t XTR gear would be.Just a thought, thats all..
Not really. As said, you'd need the pull ratio of the 11 speed shifter to match the 10 speed rear mech (fairly sure it's not). The limit screws will cover the range, that's a red herring.
I believe that the newer shadow mechs are generally speed specific, something to do with the length of the lever. But I agree there might not be enough movement in the mech to shift from top to bottom.
Eh? I said the exact opposite. There [i]will [/i]be plenty of room for it to shift smallest to largest (if you did it in the stand with your hand) an 8 speed mech would be fine (but may not clear the 40t, but we digress).
It's about pull ratios, not sure what you mean by lever, you need the amount of cable movement at an 11 speed shifter to match that of a 10 speed one. I'm virtually certain that it doesn't.
Shadow is irrelevant. 9 speed mechs work fine on 6/7/8/9 speed systems, plus 10 speed road. 10 speed MTB are not cross compatible, and 11 speed is the same.
I'm looking at a more cost effect way into 11 speed and was mussing about the differences between the cassettes (apart from the obvious one).
My drive chain will need changing sometime in the new year and contemplating going 1x11.
If what you say is right njee20, then it's all in the shifter pull. Therefore a 10 speed mech will work on an 11 speed mech.
If what you say is right njee20, then it's all in the shifter pull. Therefore a 10 speed mech will work on an 11 speed mech.
Not if the actuation ratio has changed.
The 2015 Shimano manual says there is no compatibility between 10 and 11 speed MTB stuff.
In the real world I haven't tried it but I wouldn't be at all surprised if you have to run 11 speed mechs with 11 speed shifters. I know that road 11 speed is all specific to 11.
If what you say is right njee20, then it's all in the shifter pull. Therefore a 10 speed mech will work on an 11 speed mech.
Again, eh?
You need cable pull of shifter and mech to match, so that one 'shift' at the lever equates to one shift at the mech. Otherwise you have to shift twice for the mech to move once, or it'll move two gears for one shift etc.
7/8/9 speed shifters and mechs all match.
10 speed shifters and mechs match. But are different to everything else.
11 speed shifters and mechs are again different. You need them to be the same.
Unless you can somehow modify the internals of a 10 speed shifter with an additional 'notch' to give it 11 positions. It could be done with 9 speed Grip Shift. Then it'll work, with a 10 speed mech. Bodgetastic.
Ah, I've not been clear. What I mean to say, If I bought the new XTR shifter and maybe made a modified cassette or bought a 11 speed cassette how likely is it that a 10 speed mech will work? If as you say it's all in the shifter it should work, no?
I did say they where stupid questions
It sounds like an 11 speed MTB block has the same horizontal spacing between gears as a 10 speed MTB block*, but the 11 speed block is phisically wider overall as it has an extra gear on the end.
So yes, 10 speed mech and shifter will work, but you'd not get all 11 gears, just the top 10 or bottom 10 (provided * above is true)depending on how you set it up.
If you want 11 speed you'll need 11 speed shifter and deraileur. A 10 speed Will not work. If you're trying to get a 1x set up on the cheap then go 1x10. If you want 11 speed you'll have to pay up and get the full set up.
If as you say it's all in the shifter it should work, no?
NO, AAAAAAAAGH! **head explodes**
Your shifter [u][b]AND MECH[/b][/u] have to match. It's not "all" in the shifter or the mech.
So yes, 10 speed mech and shifter will work, but you'd not get all 11 gears, just the top 10 or bottom 10 (provided * above is true)depending on how you set it up.
That's something different altogether. You could, perhaps, fit an 11 speed cassette, use a 10 speed mech and shifter and only use 10 sprockets. Why though? It would be narrower range than just using a 10 speed cassette...