[Closed] Stooge Speedball

That is one very short bike.

That's a lot of top tubes!

Bike looks unbalanced, not enough stay tubes. 😆

If Aldi did a Jones+ rip off (sorry Taz 😐 )

It does look short, so almost certainly not for me atm, but I love the look of it.

Not a problem at all Rorschach, i still have my Jones and this stooge rides sod all like it, otherwise I wouldn't have been involved with this thing.

Actually more influenced by the original breezer from the 70's hence the ladder frame and there's only so much you can do engineering wise with a ti fork with a long offset before it turns to a noodle so a truss of some descritption is the best way, unless you use 36mm or 40mm tubes which would be stiffer than a stiff thing.

Just my two cents as I'm just a test pilot, and will also he spending lots of time on my Jones.... 🙂

Oh 23.5 ish ett as well so not that short either

So, come on how does it ride?

I like it. nice to see something away from the norm.

Bonesetter- its like my rooster had a night of dirty filthy passion with my black sheep whilst an old skool bmx was pleasuring itself in the corner. Its big monster truck yobbo

Tazzy will the fork be available separately?

If Aldi did a Jones+ rip off (sorry Taz )

Damn, and i so wanted to like you with a name like that.

@Vondally, if you mean can you have one for your regular Stooge, drop me an e-mail, it wouldn't be a problem.

I hate the fork tbh but I love the frame, the lines of the ladder dropping back into the seat stays are just, mmmmmm.

yes but then it wouldn't be a homage to this, and this makes me moist

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What tyre sizes can the fork fit?

Looks and sounds amazing. Can't wait to hear more about it....

akira its a 100mm hub spacing, 29er 3.25 like a crux or bulldozer will fit with loads of space. I reckon a 27.5 with a 3.8 bonty may just squeeze in with enough space to be usable, dependent upon rim width.

Proprietary bolt through or existing standard? Considering whether this in a stooge might help satisfy my Jones itch.

what you need for a jones itch...is a Jones. Believe me they are very different bikes. My Jones will never leave the bike collection!!

what you need for monster truck bmx retro yob behaviour.. may be a speedball 😀

its a 15mm rockshox compatible maxle

I agree tazzy, my wallet does not unfortunately.

We need the geo figures

Are 1&2 the same size (ETT 23.5")?

Like it ..think it looks better than the Jones TBH ..no idea what it rides like or the price?

Ti is £2K
Steel ~£900

Which IMO is decent pricing

2k for ti frame and forks?
if so a few bob cheaper than a ti jones frame/fork

yep frame and fork Ton, with the option of a nice retro Ti bull moose to go as well. Pics when it finally clears customs! 🙂

Looks cool. but 27.2 seatpost? blech

What's the difference in geometry to the normal stooge?

So would the new fork alter the original Stooge by much? I love Klunkers Breezers and Torkers and the Stooge but I'm not feeling this one I'm afraid, might be a grower.

I would'nt worry about it Jonestown.You hav'nt liked me much on the numerous times we've met 😀

yep frame and fork Ton, with the option of a nice retro Ti bull moose to go as well. Pics when it finally clears customs!

Ooh the Bullmoose bars sound interesting! I really fancy some for my MK1 Stooge.

The forks are intriguing too, costly id imagine though!?!

The look of the Speedball is growing on me, I didnt instantly fall in love with it like I did the original.

ton - Member

2k for ti frame and forks?
if so a few bob cheaper than a ti jones frame/fork

2.5k cheaper

Very interested in a truss for my Stooge.

Never thought I'd write that sentence.

@rorschach, damn you, now i think i really DO like you after all

23.5" ETT is pretty short. What's the reach?

Looks like it's trying to replicate Jones geometry (not the Jones Plus) with a different aesthetic, but appealing to a similar audience.

It would look betterer with a layback Ti post 🙂

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Any pics yet of the new regular stooge frame yet?

What's the fork compliance like? The bracing looks a bit too beefy compared to the Jones!

Truss forks are not meant to be compliant - they are meant to be stiff and have no brake flutter.

So, will there be a steel truss fork available aftermarket to fit a mk1 Stooge?

In Plum Crazy purple.

Pretty please.

Smoother than a gravy sandwich.

+1 on the fork for my mk2 🙂

Aldi Jones, yeah, about right

To the "adli Jones" folk, I take it you also have the same opinion of: black sheep, moonmen, oddity, groovey cycle works, inglis/retrotec, skyde, ( hell, even the one one fatty looked a bit like a Jeff frame) and loads of other nahbs frame builders as they also have bikes with multiple top tubes and shock horror some form of truss fork. Jesus some folk really don't know their niche 😉

To a degree yes. Do all the fancy bits "do anything" or are they just decorative?

Truss forks are a very good way to make a light and super stiff fork. If you've ridden a titanium unicrown fork even a bloody expensive one the fore and aft deflection is "interesting" to the point of bloody scary. Unless you massively over build it like the 36mm stanchion torus/burls forks, which are lovely, but very industrial. A lot of the frame builders/designers that use multi top tubes, all seem to be from the same retro style of loving early mountain bikes and klunkers, but you can do some nice engineering things with ladder frames with regard to thinner tubes and building a bit of vertical compliance without it being a noodle sideways. I guess you either visually like that kind of thing and the fact that there are many paths to arrive at a similar destination, or its not for you and you like hydro formed alloys, carbon, and clever suspension stuff. Its all bikes and that's bloody ace.

Comparing the speedball to a Jones, (and I've owned diamonds, diamonds with truss and still have a space frame (steel) the ti is too flexy for me I can twist the back) is just bloody lazy.

Mind you the original mk1 stooge also came under fire from a couple of old beardie Jones nerds as well (me included originally) then I had a ride on a mk1 and realised they were a very different bike and trying to do a different thing in making a rigid bike be as much of a yob as possible (bit like wolfhound bikes)

The curved truss love looks like the Blacksheep truss (and yes, there was some raised eyebrows when that came out too) so that's both bases covered then 😉

Oh yeah, but James and lots of the Americans desingers/niche mongers like and get the speedball, surprised you've missed the opportunity to be grumpy about all the others though?! So much angst and rage to be had 😉

Honestly you give us beardy Jones riders a bad name (well worse than being a bunch of bendy tubed bike owning attention whores)

I like it, always like something that someone has clearly put some time and love into to create something that rides well and still can be looked at a piece of art/engineering at the same time.

Think it would look good with a carbon fork also, the difference between the raw, twisted engineered metal frame and plain black straight line of a carbon fork would be good to

Any chance of a video showing the vertical compliance?

What like the Jones space frame one? 🙂

Yes, exactly like the Jones Spaceframe video 😉 😉

Aldi Jones, yeah, about right

I could have done you one of my black sheep, that had exciting compliance in all 3 axis at once with an added soundtrack of me screaming in terror 🙂

It's funny how people feel they need to take ownership of something and take the higher ground. It's all bollocks really. Take truss forks, a lot of companies use them, they've been around since the year dot. Back in the late 70's me and the gang all built ourselves Track bikes, basically old racers with knobbly tyres and mahoosive cowhorn bars. Back then you could buy bolt on fork trusses from any local bike shop, but we all went one step further, one of our dad's worked as a welder in Air Products so we all made our own trusses from steel and got him to weld them up to our bikes, you could never take the bars off again without a hacksaw, so does that make us pioneers, no, but it illustrates that the design was around long before it was co-opted by a few left-field mountain bike companies, myself included. So as i said, it's all bollocks really.

I've been experimenting with bike geometry for over 30 years, so my ideas are all mine and based on riding bikes rather than looking at other people's geo charts. On the same note, i'm not going to stop having fun with designs because somebody has already been there, ie, truss forks. Surly created the whole 29+ thing, they could've taken ownership of that but chose not to, but their hard work and innovation led to where we are today, no glory needed on their part.

vertical compliance? There is none. Zero. Nada. It's designed to kick your balls of, scoop em up and throw em back in your face and still leave you wanting more.

There we are then 🙂

the vertical compliance was claimed by Tazzy, earlier in the thread. I,m curious to know what the third top tube does, as it doesn't seem to be connected to the ladder?

Here you go Tazzy - Jeff demonstrating how the Spaceframe works.

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There is none. Zero. Nada. It's designed to kick your balls of, scoop em up and throw em back in your face and still leave you wanting more.

😀

i was actually joking.

The third tube allows a fair amount of controlled flex in the seat-tube, think of it as a big leaf spring.

well stuff me, Futon, I've owned jones bikes for years and never knew how a jones worked....you utter, utter bellend!

jeesus If stooge made a kids bike you'd be having a go about it bearing a toy 'r us jones for bearded midgets

I like it, I have a Jones I like that too. I like the old stooge and lots of other bikes too.

Truss forks have been on motorbikes for donkeys as have multiple funny tubing and different sized wheels
It's all good

tazzymtb - Member
I could have done you one of my black sheep, that had exciting compliance in all 3 axis at once with an added soundtrack of me screaming in terror

I'd love some Truss steez on my Mk 1 !

@ Tazzy - whatever dude

Mmmm....I'm not instantly taken...maybe it'll grow on me. It look a bit too 'angular' to me...IMO.

As for Ti Truss forks on a Stooge...my custom one (made by XACD) shipped last week. It's going on to my Mk2...will post photos when it comes!

Anyway - ad hominems apart - I'd still be interested in seeing a video showing the vertical compliance 😉

OMG! 1977!

Please don't tell me somebody before Jeff Jones invented the truss fork?!

I thought it was all his

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Like it. Looks nicely proportioned to me. Don't really get all the 'too short' comments but then I don't really get the Jones Plus unless you're over 6ft.

As for Ti Truss forks on a Stooge...my custom one (made by XACD) shipped last week. It's going on to my Mk2...will post photos when it comes!

More details please! Pics, geo, cost? Did you keep the same fork length and 55mm offset?

[url= https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Titanium-truss-forks-titanium-road-fork_60458199045.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.5iLGJn ]Titanium truss fork[/url] from Xi'an Titanium / XACD - not the easiest, cheapest or best finished of the ChiTi companies to deal with.

It's designed to kick your balls of, scoop em up and throw em back in your face and still leave you wanting more.

I'm in, love a bit of ball busting me

So much bedwetting on this forum.....seriously.
Does it look nice? Yes
Is it made by someone who has bothered to get off their hoop and do something about the thing that they have a passion about? Yes
Does it resemble a Jones bike? Not in the slightest!

Fair play for bringing it to the market.....success or not, you have made your vision a reality, probably learning loads along the way, which will be incorporated into future frames.

Bollox to the moaners, if you want someone to test it, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and ride the nadgers off the women's willies who are doing the moaning

Well I have 2 Jones and to me the Speedball looks great and I would love to have a go on one ( pretty good pricing as well, if I had not just spent all my money on a Jones space frame plus I would be after a test ride!) - good effort by Jonestown as far as I am concerned - can't understand why people get bent out of shape about who makes what TBH - its all bikes so its all good and as they say theres nothing new under the sun !

Eye, more choice can only be good for us consumers! and stooge is British 🙂

imo, Andy stooge is a nice bloke with a really good product 8)

and Also imo, the best handlebars on the market!

but wait, back to my earlier question.

Is this different geometry to the normal stooge?

^ Important question

Although I suspect the answer to be 'the same'

for the best part the numbers are the same, 2 differences - BB is 10mm lower, chainstays are 5mm longer. ETT is 23.5", HA is 69 degrees. Most of my steel Stooges are now set up with B+ and this rides quite differently, despite the numbers. it feels completely neutral whereas the steels want to turn on a dime and be flung here there and everywhere. It's early days re testing and i'm going to get some miles in on this, though to me it feels pretty perfect from the off.

Thanks for coming in

Do please tell us there will be the larger size available, at least in steel?

That looks really good.
Fine work Andy

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Not only looks good rides extremely well.