[Closed] Stooge Cycles - who's interested? (slack 29er content)

they arrived in the UK yesterday (friday) so should be with me in about a week. I'll be adding photos and details to the website as soon as they're good to go.

Please take my money and let one go soon.

CTBM is selling a MK1 cheap

what's the differences mark 1 to mark 2?

Mark 2 is full 29+ I believe, and a different colour

It's not full + in the rear

A Vee fits, and a 29 2.4 Ardent

bonesetter - Member
It's not full + in the rear

A Vee fits, and a 29 2.4 Ardent

When you say the Vee fits, do you mean the 27.5x2.8 or 29x3 Vee?

frames are here, i just need to get some photos taken and then there'll be pics on the website and facebook, but in a nutshell the Stooge blue will be continuing and there are 2 colours limited to 30 each - magenta and pale olive (which is more like grey with a tinge of green to it).

re rear tyre size - the one comment i got on the first frame was that some 2.4 tyres were a bit too close for comfort, so with that in mind i've upped the clearance and the frame will now take a Dirt Wizard29x3 and a Vee 29 x 3 on anything up to a 50mm rim. The knard is a little too close on a rabbit hole, though may well fit on a P35, i'll be trying that out over the weekend. The frame also has clearance for B+ in any size up to a 3.25. So is it 29+, yes, and no. Hope that helps.

Jonestown, can you still run a double or has it gone in order to fit the larger wheel size?

I am glad about the tyre sizes, especially the 27+ option. I would like it still to have a front mech option, but please get those pictures taken!

Looking for a new rear tyre for the Stooge. Thinking Nobby Nic 2.3. Anyone tried this?
Tried a 2.4 Chunky Monkey. Better grip in mud and wet stuff, but less than 5mm clearance to chain stays
How wide have you gone on the rear?
My current rim is 19mm so tyre will be held narrow.

Thanks

I'm running a Ground Control 2.3 on a Flow EX rim. Works well, but I couldn't go any bigger.

Specialized Slaughter

Looking for a new rear tyre for the Stooge. Thinking Nobby Nic 2.3. Anyone tried this?
Tried a 2.4 Chunky Monkey. Better grip in mud and wet stuff, but less than 5mm clearance to chain stays
How wide have you gone on the rear?

There's still plenty of room to run 2x on the front, though i have removed the front cable routing, mainly because i only know of one person who ran a front mech on the first frames. easily solvable with a Problem Solver band-on direct mount adapter and some creative use of the tiny plastic cable guides you can get.

Photos should be going up tomorrow night 🙂

BTW, my favourite rear tyre at the moment is the Slaughter 2.3 by Spec, really fast, really grippy.

Just back from clocking up my first 1000km on the Stooge, since building it at the beginning of July. Looking forward to the next few...

Had a great photo shoot of the new frames today, it'll be a few days before i'll see the results but the frames are now live on the website so can at last be purchased.

Tyre size - having played around with a few rim and tyre combos today i've come full circle and settled back on the 2.3 29er. it now has acres of mud clearance with this tyre, so the biggest 2.4 and 2.35 tyres will now work great. The Vee 29x3 fits with limited clearance on a Dually but rides fine, no doubt a 35mm rim would be the choice, but the geometry works so much better with the big front/smaller rear combo, it just rails so much better. There's plenty of clearance for B+ in all sizes and if you wanted to go semi-fat on the back this is the size i would recommend, keeps the geometry correct and spins up a whole load faster than 29x3. The Dirt Wizard will be a perfect front tyre for the winter or any time of the year but the massive side knobs are cutting the clearance too fine on the back, especially when you take mud into account.

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Magenta? Olive?

WHere's my candy apple red?

Surely there is enough of us that have them built that we should start a 'show us your Stooge' thread?

If you start it, we will probably all pile in...

frames are here, i just need to get some photos taken and then there'll be pics on the website and facebook, but in a nutshell the Stooge blue will be continuing and there are 2 colours limited to 30 each - magenta and pale olive (which is more like grey with a tinge of green to it).

Hurry up and make a large for pete's sake!

 

Any Stooge builds using 2x11 on 135mm rear with 29.5x2.8 tires?
Thinking of using the Shimano M8000 groupset.
Any chain line alignment problems that need a work around?
Front derailleur top or side pull?

I'm running 29x2.35 Nobby Nic on the rear and that has only about 3-4mm clearance to the chain stays and similar to the front derailleur. I don't think 2.8 will fit

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Any Stooge builds using 2x11 on 135mm rear with 29.5x2.8 tires?

assume you actually mean 27.5 x 2.8, in which case, yes, it will fit the gen 1 frame fine, the gen2 frame will take a full 3.25 with lots of clearance.

As far as i know, the new 11 speed shimano uses a standard chainline with the option to spec for boost, so should work fine.

this is sods law - i have front mech cable routing on the first frame and no-one used them, so i remove them and now everyone wants front mech routing 🙂 it's still possible, a problem solvers direct mount adapter.

Hurry up and make a large for pete's sake!

This is not a spoon, how tall are you?

It's a bit misleading to think of the Stooge as a medium, it has an 18" seatmast, but everything else is sized a bit differently. To give you an idea, i'm 6' and run mine with a 50mm stem and an inline post. I started with 90, went down to 70, and have ended up like this. If your legs aren't mahoosively long then you might be surprised. Obviously if you're 6'5 it's a no go, but there's plenty of 6'2 people out there and the fit is fine. Obviously i wouldn't be so daft as to suggest one size really does fit all, but it's a lot better than most. It's economy of scale for me at the moment, i'm one man with a garage full of frames and very limited resources, if you fancied a larger ti one that would be a different story 😉 I have full 29+ and regular 29er ti frames up an running, i should probably think about advertising the fact one of these days.

Had my first ride out on my new Stooge yesterday and noticed how well the Chronicle flicks up grit when it gets a bit sticky!

What are people using for mudguards - does the [url= http://www.muckynutz.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=50&product_id=154 ]Mucky Nutz Face Fender[/url] or Mudhugger fit ok? Any suggestions for the rear..?

Hurry up and make a large for pete's sake!

This is not a spoon, how tall are you?

Could you at least put reach/stack figures on the geo chart, or identify the effective seat angle you used to calculate the effective top tube. Kind of hard to compare when its a bent seat tube. I guess looking at it you designed it so the rider is sat right over the back wheel?

I'm 6' 4" with a 35" inseam, run a lay back Ti seat post and 80mm stem with Jones Bend bars...

I would go with a test ride rather than looking at figures on a piece of paper, that would give you a far better idea 😉

I'm 6' 4" with a 35" inseam, run a lay back Ti seat post and 80mm stem with Jones Bend bars...

I would go with a test ride rather than looking at figures on a piece of paper, that would give you a far better idea

Id definitely not buy one if i test rode yours, hate jones bars! No chance to test ride much near me and dont drive so numbers is all i have.

Id definitely not buy one if i test rode yours, hate jones bars! No chance to test ride much near me and dont drive so numbers is all i have.

Where are you located?

STATO...I wasn't offering you a test ride, mealy suggesting you might not need a Large frame

I guess your user name is quite appropriate 😆

Newcastle. The point is though im not really in a position to test ride time wise (to take a bike somewhere to get a decent ride on it) and im not especially looking for a bike.

My point was the information about the bike is limited so a lot of people must be dismissing it as too small, some more geo information or explanation of how the 'fit' works might help. Suggestion to run a layback post (on an already slack seat angle) without any explanation of fit just makes it sound even smaller. I was interested when this thread first started on the principle of a slack 29er, but turned away when i saw the geo and have not bothered going out my way to test it.

I totally appreciate its designed to work/fit differently, im not dismissing it or suggesting its a bad bike (clearly enough evidence in this topic to confirm otherwise) but different either requires 'different' people to buy-in on principle (or looks), but to persuade others (especially taller folks used to bigger bikes) requires more info (IMO).

I guess your user name is quite appropriate

Ive ridden enough small frames in my time to know what i prefer, but still open to other theories (im a stato in love of stats, not a 'this wont work' opinionated type).

And my point about a test ride is that unless you have time to set it up how you like (or in the case of quirky designs, learn to understand how it should be rideen), there will probably be something that will put you off.

Newcastle.

Bykology in hexham might have one

Anyway, to defend the request for larger frames

from 3rd page of thread

Regarding the one size fits all - that's not really my ethos, but at this stage it's economy of scale coming into play. The frame really does build up big (100mm stem etc, builds up huge, in fact), BUT, if it proves succesfull and there's enough genuine demand then i will certainly build both larger and smaller frames as required.

😀

Tho to be honest and complete the quote, it did also say...

As it stands, the frame handles sooo well on tight, technical trails. It's been tested by riders from 5'6 to 6'2 and neither had a problem with fit.

[Had my first ride out on my new Stooge yesterday and noticed how well the Chronicle flicks up grit when it gets a bit sticky!

What are people using for mudguards - does the Mucky Nutz Face Fender or Mudhugger fit ok? Any suggestions for the rear..?]

I've Mudhuggers. The rear keeps me clean, the front with the extension is no match for a Chronicle, or at least the Chronicle can get stuff past it. Probably better than without. Knard didn't get so much past it. Am thinking of of fitting a homebrew longer extension

hurry up and make a 650b small

+1

Something I've been meaning to ask. Is the head tube still 11/8" straight on the mark 2 frames? Or is there an option to run a tapered steerer fork?

Ta.

Straight 1 1/8" steerer on the steels, 44mm on the Ti. I run an Enve fork in mine (tapered steerer) with a Hope mix and match headset - integral upper, 1.5" external lower.

due to popular demand i'll be adding these figures to the geometry chart in the next few days 😉 reach = 427mm stack = 584mm

I'm an old fashioned ETT man myself. I think the reach figure of the Stooge is the same as a size L Bronson, for what that's worth.

re the headtube size, i decided to stick with the regular 1 1/8th for a couple of reasons, firstly a 44mm would ruin the lines, and secondly there aren't any carbon forks (other than the Enve) that have the correct geometry. The frame and forks really are designed to work together.

due to popular demand i'll be adding these figures to the geometry chart in the next few days reach = 427mm stack = 584mm

thanks, longer than expected. Same reach as my old Large Spearfish, bit lower too.

Quick question for owners how do they climb?

Is it more winch slowly / SS grunting / mild chore to the top or a bit more lively/xc in nature (appreciating it won't climb like an xc race bike obviously).

Quick question for owners how do they climb?

Best I've tried, especially on somewhat technical climbs. Compared to: On-one 456, On-one scandal, Grand Canyon AL.

So plugging these numbers (reach = 427mm, ETT = 597mm, stack = 584mm) into my old trusty calculator I get like 73.7deg for effective seat angle (website says 72 deg). Should I check my math or is something wrong here?

Quick question for owners how do they climb?

So plugging these numbers (reach = 427mm, ETT = 597mm, stack = 584mm) into my old trusty calculator I get like 73.7deg for effective seat angle (website says 72 deg). Should I check my math or is something wrong here?

The seat tube is bent, so 72 at its uppermost, but (as you show with your maths) the effective angle at the point of intersection at the level of the headtube. Of course this means the seat at riding heights will be further back than a 73.8 would have you expect, due to the actual being 72.

Quick question for owners how do they climb?

I'm going to go B9er - slacken her up even more!

Just a quick thanks to the bods who responded to my climbing post. 😀

In light of the recent weather I decided to give a Mudhugger (FR) a try to keep the grit out of my eyes:

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Fits pretty well (with just the modification to add the top straps) and seems to stay in place, but only time will tell. If I can lay my hands on a heat gun (hairdryer didn't really cut it) I will try and mould the 'shoulders' a bit so it sits a little higher - will also keep it in place better too.

Looks quite discrete

However, it does seem a tad low for clearance

I used a crud catcher last winter which worked well

[quote=bonesetter]However, it does seem a tad low for clearance

Clearance is about 8-10mm and should improve once I've modified the shape a bit.

dalhalvaig will be along in a minute...I think he's had mixed success with his. Keeps the face splatter free but that's about it.

In light of the recent weather I decided to give a Mudhugger (FR) a try to keep the grit out of my eyes:

dalhalvaig will be along in a minute...I think he's had mixed success with his. Keeps the face splatter free but that's about it.

Doctor on call...

Yes mixed result with my Mudhuggers. The rear definitely keeps my saddle and back clean and dry, the front is keeping a lot of muck off my face, but not everything. I get spray up the from of my jacket/shirt, so am thinking of making a longer extension. I have the Mudhugger extension. The Chronicle gets more past it than the Knard, but the Chronicle clears mud quicker...onto me as it turns out.

You can see below where the mud is getting to...this was with the Knard.
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Also the Chronicle has a wider shoulder than the Knard and can scuff the Mudhugger, so am planning another set of tie-wrap holes just below the curve at the top of the fork

That grass needs a wee trim & the shed could also do with a paint...have you been sitting on your backside all day?! 😀

That grass needs a wee trim & the shed could also do with a paint...have you been sitting on your backside all day?!

😆

Hi, Are there any Stooge in Devon or the SW that can be tried out / demoed?

I was lucky enough to have an evening riding a Jones with a Fat Front and a Jones Plus around my local woods this week, courtesy of Peanut off here and I am hooked. I think the standard Jones and Fat front suited my riding style best of the two. But it was very close. I need to try a Stooge now to add to the complication of which is best for my needs.

I'll be Stooged up in the Padstow area from the 18th if that helps?

Spectabilis - thanks for the heads up. Just looked at the Calendar and I may be free that weekend. Not too far for me to travel either. Cardinham trails about 30mins drive from Padstow....I'll chase you up if it works out.

julioflo:
Charlie the bike monger has one in the shop running 27.5+, spoke to them today about these bad boys.

I'm seriously looking at getting a magenta frame and building it up over winter. with the gen 2 frames, is anyone going 29x3" front and rear, or 27.5+.
I've got a full fatbike which can run 29x3, but really fancied one of these.
after speaking to one of the really helpful guys in Charlie's, he was saying it'd be better running 27.5+. Can any of you current owners give some input. it's probably going to be 1 x10 gearing, (as I'm not man enough yet for single speed). wanted to go half fat with the tyres as well. what rim widths are you folks running, and how big a tyre have you safely shoehorned on there.

I have a Ti stooge running 27.5+ and will prob not go back to normal 29 on it now after a fair few rides ...it's the best of all worlds

...but he's ^ never tried 29+ on front .... But then I've never tried 27.5+!

I have tried 29x2.5 and I have a fatty .....too much rolling wieght for my liking I'm afraid Clink

I have tried 29x2.5 and I have a fatty .....too much rolling wieght for my liking I'm afraid Clink

Just lay off the ciders for a bit 😆

No way ..that's just stupid talk....oh and weight obviously. .must read text before posting

New tyre time ...Just checking out these Goma TNT's from Vittoria
This is a 29x2.4 on a Dually in a MK1 frame, comes up LARGE slighlty bigger than the Chunky Monkey that was on previous going to have to swap for the 2.25 I reckon.

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Evil sovereign-
The new frame will take a 29x3 on a thinner rim but if you were going to run 29, especially in the winter, it will still work best with a 2.4, there's plenty more clearance on the new frames, so the tyre in Spectabilis' picture will fit without problems (sorry Spectabilis 🙁

As for 650+, if you enjoy hooning down technical singletrack and hopping off and over things then its great, it does really good things to the bike's handling and flickability, just feels a bit more hooligan - but if your riding is more long day in the saddle then the 29er probably wins. The Stooge geometry is designed to have a slightly larger front tyre so if you were running B+ i'd recommend either a 3.25 front/3 rear or a 3/2.8 combo,though i guess it wouldn't be that important.

From experience, a 2.8 on a 30mm rim spins up lovely, feels really light, a 3.25 feels a lot more draggy. If you're going to run a 40mm plus rim on the back, make the 3.00 your largest back tyre.

Hope that helps. Have a word with Charlie too 🙂

Has anyone tried 650+ and 2 x 10? Just wondering what the clearance is like and wether I need to have a rethink before taking the plunge.

back to the geometry discussion for anyone who is interested.. I wanted to understand those numbers.. so I checked again the drawing on stooge website - here is what I get: stack 625mm, reach = 405mm, effective seat angle = 73 deg

julioflo - Member
Spectabilis - thanks for the heads up. Just looked at the Calendar and I may be free that weekend. Not too far for me to travel either. Cardinham trails about 30mins drive from Padstow....I'll chase you up if it works out.

Unfortunately a change of plans means I can't take it with us now, sorry for any inconvenience.
Hope you get the chance to try one soon.

So has anyone tried anything bigger than a 29+ on the front of their Stooge? I'm thinking the on one carbon fatty forks which maintain the 55deg offset but running 26x4.8?

Anyone got pics of their 27.5+ set-ups?

I'm struggling to find a rear 27.5+ wheel!
They all seem to come in pair or have boost axles.
Is there anyone selling 27.5+ rear wheel builds with 135xQR?!

bonesetter....
Take a look at @StoogeCycles's Tweet: https://twitter.com/StoogeCycles/status/645365888972124160?s=09

Cokie, you're best bet would be to get one built by someone like Charlie. The rim will be the most expensive part, but something like a Stan's Flow will work fine with a WTB 2.8.

Thanks Singlecrack

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I've just ordered a pair of [url= https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=wtb%20scraper%20rim ]WTB Scraper rims[/url]

And a WTB Trailblazer 2.8 along a Vee 3.25 for up front

Here's a plus video for anyone interested

Bonesetter- what rim are using?
I've found a PACENTI DL31 wheelset (25mm internal) for £270, or Dually for £300 rear.. Would the Pacenti give me enough benefits or is it worth going wider?

The ones linked in my post above 😉

I have zero experience of this wheel size, and in the Stooge frame too, so can't really comment, however from reading and asking around, it would seem 30mm internal would seem a good minimum with 50 being max

MK1 or MK2 frame dependent

Ah, I read that wrong- thought the pic was yours and the rims were an upgrade, so was working out what was in the pic.

Anyway, http://www.justridingalong.com/ have got the following suitable rims;
- Velocity Dually; 39mm internal
- Velocity Blunt 35; 30mm internal
- WTB Asym; 29mm internal
- Ryde Trace Enduro; 29mm internal
- Pacenti DL31; 25mm internal

The cheapest 30mm internal I've built up was £270 (Blunt 35, ProII rear & DT comps).

The wheels going on a Mk1 Stooge.