[Closed] Sram X01 Eagle group set vs Hope & XTR 11 speed ?

It hasn't 'come down' to xo1, they were released together a. Xx1 for xc, xo1 for AM/enduro. Weight wise it's about 60g across the whole group set. Iirc the only thing that's different is the cassette, everything else is the same, which is why the price isn't that different. The real price drops come when X, GX and NX get released,

It hasn't 'come down' to xo1, they were released together a. Xx1 for xc, xo1 for AM/enduro. Weight wise it's about 60g across the whole group set. Iirc the only thing that's different is the cassette, everything else is the same, which is why the price isn't that different. The real price drops come when X, GX and NX get released,

OK, I stand corrected, but it does look like it's come down in price. In any event I'm looking for any opinions on the merits of both set ups if you have any ?

Another option would be use sram xo1 cranks/shifter/mech and put an e13 9-44 or 9-46 cassette on (then you have better range than the hope cassette) but I'd stick with sram over shimano

We have both set ups Eagle 12 speed and X01 11 speed, apart from the extra big ring on the cassette allowing a bit bigger front ring, its difficult to tell the difference. They are both smooth.

IMO the cranks are always the best bit of XTR so you're going about the whole mix-n-match the wrong way!

As for the rest of it, I'm still in the "How much!" camp, either weight (shimano) or price (SRAM). So don't ask me! If/when someone comes out with a 300g cassette that's XT money I'll jump, until then I'd rather singlespeed!

Another option would be use sram xo1 cranks/shifter/mech and put an e13 9-44 or 9-46 cassette on (then you have better range than the hope cassette) but I'd stick with sram over shimano

I did look at that but TBH I couldn't see much point in going down to a 9T ring on the cassette, I've never found myself wanting for more gears at the bottom of an 11-42 let alone a 9 !

We have both set ups Eagle 12 speed and X01 11 speed, apart from the extra big ring on the cassette allowing a bit bigger front ring, its difficult to tell the difference. They are both smooth.

Thanks Tracey. I run a 32T on my 11 speed set ups, what do you run on your 12 speed then ?

I'm a life long Shimano fan and general Sram hater, but Eagle is just next level. It is so much better than anything else out there at the moment that gets close. I've found 11 speed Sram clunky and fragile while Shimano is just not a patch, feel wise, on what it used to be. Its solid and reliable but I wasn't overly keen on my old XT M8000 setup and from the short time I've had on XTR M9000 it felt much the same. I actually preferred the older 10 speed XTR with a OneUp Rad cage and Hope expander. Eagle is seriosuly good though and just an extra click on the shifter. It is far, far smoother and lighter feeling than anything Sram I've ridden in the past.The shifting is very good and the range is great. I wouldn't look at much else now and can't wait for the tech to filter down to a lower level if they can keep the same feel just with a weight penalty.

Smaller sprockets mean you can use a smaller chain ring and maintain your top gear. The extra range is then available for the bottom end.

I did look at that but TBH I couldn't see much point in going down to a 9T ring on the cassette, I've never found myself wanting for more gears at the bottom of an 11-42 let alone a 9 !

The size of the cogs doesnt matter, its the range thats important. If you dont need the smaller cogs then change the chainring to one where you do and this will extend the gearing at the other end of the cassette.

Im tempted by the e13 one next as I want to widen the range of gears I have

Same reason I'm considering the Hope 10-48

Sram eagle is next level ive got it now, its spot on and thats from a shimano fan boii, ive had sram xx1, x01, xtr, xtr/xt mix etc

We ride similar stuff and the range on eagle is perfect for what you do, plus as said above if you run a 34 ( instead of a 32r) up front the range is even better still

I got sram x01 eagle for just shy of 500 quid, but ive already got some next sl crank so didnt bother with the sran cranks

The shifting is pretty much as good as i can ever imagine mechanical shifting being tbh, its crisp light and before the clunk on the shifter is finished its already shifted uo or down

Ps what bike you going for this time? Another bronson?

I love the look of the Hope cranks and if you are on 11 speed Sram 10-42T then direct mount is a real plus so you can go 30T or lover oval ring.

If you are looking at Eagle or the new Hope 10-48 cassette then for me it makes more sense to stick with a bolt pattern chainring from a mechanical and cost sense. Yes direct mount looks nicer but there is more cost and it's potentially more prone to damage (folding over but that is a rare occurrence).

The XTR cranks are very light so from a pure performance point of view then Race Face Next SL, XTR or high end Sram carbon make the most sense.

From a cost point of view Eagle is eye watering and makes the Hope and XTR look quite reasonable.

For the cassette how much does 50T at the low ratios give you over 48T? The effect of 1 or 2 teeth extra at that end of the cassette has a much lower effect than 1 tooth at the other end. If you can buy replacement aluminium sections of the Hope cassette quite reasonably then that is another plus and for me it would have to be the Hope 10-48T.

Rear mech wise I am not sure if the sram 11 speed will like 48T as they are designed for up to 42T so you are probably best with shimano who sell 46T cassettes. It is shame Sram didnt bring out a 10-46T steel cassette but that would kill Eagle for them. For the hope you do need to have a Hope hub though.

Another option is the One Up cassette mod for XT cassettes. But XT cassettes are already heavy and rubbish IMO and the replacement ring expensive so the Hope is a better prospect for me.

I've ended up with xtr shifter, xt mech, next sl sl g4 crank, hope 10-44 for about £700.

So a bit less expensive, works perfectly

Running a 30t on the Eagle and a 28t on the X01. the Eagle came with a 30t on the bike and we could probably get away with a bigger ring for UK riding but have left the 30t on for Abigales EWS events as some of the climbs are long and steep.
Should have probably taken the 28t off after the Alps trip last year but am too idle.
In an ideal world I would like an off the market 11 speed cassette with a 46t big ring that fits a SRAM freehub and is as smooth as the SRAM on shifting

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I've ended up with xtr shifter, xt mech, next sl sl g4 crank, hope 10-44 for about £700.
So a bit less expensive, works perfectly

i was running that bar the hope cassette until 2 weeks ago, and I can say hands down the eagle is much much much better all round for shifting, again coming from a shimano fan.

For those on shimano that fancy a superwide range Hope cassette, the Wolf Cage looks like a useful bit of kit to include on the shopping list.

In an ideal world I would like an off the market 11 speed cassette with a 46t big ring that fits a SRAM freehub and is as smooth as the SRAM on shifting

I've argued the same for 2 years now... But Eagle 12spd was obviously already in the pipeline and they didn't want to take sales away from their own new product!

Running Eagle and it's ace, but would have been just as happy or indeed happier with a 10-46 SRAM cassette. FWIW the multi alloy ring cassettes all seem to wear VERY quickly. I've got a 9-44 E13 where the top half is shot to pieces but the bottom cogs are as good as new! From less than 500 miles use...

Cheers for all the tips and advice. Definitely a swing in favour of Eagle and sounds like it's worth a go.

Running a 30t on the Eagle and a 28t on the X01.

Should have probably taken the 28t off after the Alps trip last year but am too idle.

Tracey, I've been told that the crank set comes with a 32T ring which is what I run on 11 speed so I'll give that a go for now. If the direct mount ring on the X0 is just as bitchy to swap out as is on the 11 speed crank I don't blame you for leaving a ring on for as long as you can do. Whoever thought to put those bolts that close to the cranks wants shooting.

FWIW the multi alloy ring cassettes all seem to wear VERY quickly. I've got a 9-44 E13 where the top half is shot to pieces but the bottom cogs are as good as new! From less than 500 miles use...

Mboy, used to find this on the Sram 11 speed cassettes when they first came out but either they changed or I did because they've not been as bad recently.

Ps what bike you going for this time? Another bronson?

Oscillate Wildly, sounds like you're well chuffed with the Eagle set up, and after all that pain you went through with the 11 speed when it first came out ! No, not another Bronson, in fact going away from SC, time for a total change (but keeping the Solo). Do want to buy a Bronson as your second bike, I'll do mates rates ?

Ps what bike you going for this time? Another bronson?

Oscillate Wildly, sounds like you're well chuffed with the Eagle set up, and after all that pain you went through with the 11 speed when it first came out ! No, not another Bronson, in fact going away from SC, time for a total change (but keeping the Solo). Do want to buy a Bronson as your second bike, I'll do mates rates ?

yep my original xx1/x01 had some definite issues, the rear mech mainly! vowed never to go back, which in fairness I haven't till I had a quick go on the eagle a few weeks back, and it just felt amazing, given you've ran sram all these years it seems a no brainer to stray away now, when the best of the lot has just come out

ohhhh interesting you are going away from SC (TRAAAAITTTTORRR!! 😆 ) be interested where you go next! EVIL? spesh?

haha I would love a second bike but I barely afford to run one so two is out the question! I think my next bike will actually be a Solo, want something for a bit of everything really

ohhhh interesting you are going away from SC (TRAAAAITTTTORRR!! ) be interested where you go next! EVIL? spesh?

It's not Evil or Spesh...it's a surprise ! 😆

Mboy, used to find this on the Sram 11 speed cassettes when they first came out but either they changed or I did because they've not been as bad recently.

SRAM XD drive cassettes seem to last ages in my experience, going some way to justifying their enormous cost. I've changed chains religiously at 0.75% stretch, got one cassette that's on its 4th chain and still going strong and I reckon it'll take a 5th (typically getting 400-500 miles per chain).

Done 1,000+ miles on the X01 cassette and still going strong. The X1 version did less than 500. So very pleased with the X01. I do change the chain on a regular basis and this definitely makes a big difference I find. Will probably keep 1x11 this year but Eagle is very tempting.
Upgraded the wife's bike to XT 1x11 with the 11-46 cassette and she really rates it over previous 10 speed setup.

I'm glad mboy has mentioned the E13 cassette I was debating about giving it a go, my X01 11spd cassette is about at its end it's done just shy of 2500 miles which is crazy, I've got zero problem buying a new one when they last that long.