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Spec me a tubeless, fast rolling, wet weather touring tyre ~7000x38mm

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Preferably with tan side walls.

I've been looking at these:

https://road.cc/content/review/teravail-rampart-all-road-tyre-289979

Has anybody tried them? I'm worried that they might be a little flimsy

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 9:29 am
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Never heard of them before to be honest, they don't look to dissimilar to Hutchinson Overide's though:

https://www.merlincycles.com/hutchinson-overide-tr-hs-folding-gravel-tyre-700c-134687.html

Out of stock in tan wall at Merlin currently but probably available elsewhere, cheaper too.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 9:44 am
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WTB Exposure 36c actually measure up at 38mm

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 9:51 am
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Im a big fan of contis as they seem to have found some magic ( black chilli compound?)that gives high grip without being slow. The trade off is they are not long lasting but ill take that. My experience of long lasting tyres is that you turn into bambi on ice

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 9:53 am
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Panaracer Gravel King Slick+.

The little '+' is important as it denotes the version with extra puncture protection, which I would imagine you will want for touring. If you want the faster tyre then buy the one without the plus (still good puncture resistance, especially with tubeless). 'TLC' is the tubless compatible tyre.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 10:11 am
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I'm very happy with my Gravel King Semi-Slicks. On the road I don't seem to be measurably slower on my Gradient with those on than I am on my Defy with GP5000s, and there doesn't seem to be a problem taking them off-road either. Quite a bit cheaper than the Contis too.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 10:13 am
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790x40. No tan sidewalls but reasonably fast rolling and near puncture proof. I had one puncture between California and Florida.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tyres/700-x-32-32622-schwalbe-marathon-supreme-hd-hs469-folding-tyre-700-622/

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-supreme-2016

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 10:21 am
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+1 for gravelkings semi slick. Top tyres!!

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 4:33 pm
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A new wheel standard for really good rolling over things, 275inch wheels 😀

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 4:37 pm
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When you say tour, do you mean on or off road?
What clearance have you got?

We're running Continental Top Contact or Continental Speed Contacts for road touring, in 36-37mm flavour.

Mrs_oab has the speeds - she's 45kg and small bags, I've the Top Contacts being 90kg and all our panniers.

Comfy, really fast compared to gravel tyres, no punctures on or off road in a few thousand miles.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 4:46 pm
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+1 for gravelkings semi slick. Top tyres!!

Deffo get the + version though - the regular Gravel Kings have all the puncture protection of a Poundshop condom.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 5:00 pm
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Those topcontacts just make my legs hurt thinking about the rolling resistance.

Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass TC Extralight 44s, or maybe Challenge Strada Bianca HTLRs.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/cx-gravel-reviews/rene-herse-snoqualmie-pass-extra-light

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/cx-gravel-reviews/challenge-strada-bianca-pro-htlr

Or shit, just some superwide 5000s trs.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 7:28 pm
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Continuity

From experience? I find similar contis fast rolling for the grip given and for a winter tyre grip is top priority for me.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 7:46 pm
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I've been pretty happy with a pair of 38mm Vittoria trail techs for a while now, but recently kitting out a second wheelset with a pair of Terreno Mix has made me acknowledge just how heavy the Trail techs are, and I find myself looking at the 'Terreno Zero' as a slick centred summer gravel option instead...

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 7:55 pm
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Those topcontacts just make my legs hurt thinking about the rolling resistance.

You mean the extra 3watts? I reckon a dirty chain is about the same. And I'll take the extra grip and comfort I'm feeling over eldest_oab's Marathons.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 9:15 pm
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I came on here as I need to replace my gravel king ss. They are just to puncture prone

Vittoria voyager hypers were great but I can’t find them any more

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 10:20 pm
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Another vote for Schwalbe Marathon Supreme here.
A great touring tyre for the road.

For more all round use the Schwalbe Almotion is used on my gravel bike. Rolls pretty well.

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 10:56 pm
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Marathons combine low grip with being heavy and slow. Last until the apocalypse tho if that matters to you

 
Posted : 26/09/2022 11:08 pm
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@tjagain

Which Marathon? There are numerous versions. The Supreme rates well for weight and rolling resistance. If you mean Marathon Plus I agree.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 1:41 am
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I worked on the London Edin London Audax last month and there was a pro mechanic working at one of the checkpoints and we were discussing tubeless for road tyres. This guy had worked as a mechanic for a semi-pro team. He said he wouldn't go near tubeless on a road bike, basically if you end up having to take the tyre off, you'll not be able to reseat the bead with a hand pump (maybe a Co2 cannister ? but he didn't say). It was enough to put me off tubeless on my road bike.

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 6:47 am
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G-One Allrounds, I used to swap and change with gravel tyres, but only ever buy these now.
Merlin have a great price on the 38 width : https://www.merlincycles.com/schwalbe-g-one-evolution-super-ground-tle-folding-gravel-tyre-700c-209919.html
Hmm, can I fit a 38? Gonna buy one and see!

oh, not tanwall, but they're just poncy. 😛

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 9:51 am
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This guy had worked as a mechanic for a semi-pro team. He said he wouldn’t go near tubeless on a road bike, basically if you end up having to take the tyre off, you’ll not be able to reseat the bead with a hand pump (maybe a Co2 cannister ? but he didn’t say).

Co2 will reset the bead.

But more importantly you'll only be taking the tyre off for a major tear where you need a tyre boot + inner tube, so re-seating isn't really an issue.

Tubeless works fine on road bikes.

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 10:12 am
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Have used and am using various tyres that have been mentioned so far: Snoqualmie 44s, and Barlow pass 38s, Gravelking semi slicks and slicks (semi slick more puncture resistance than slicks, but not perfect, also the 38s are actually 40mm), terreno zero (not that great, the terreno dry actually less rolling resistance and more usable in wider range of conditions), challenge strada bianchi; vulcanised version easier to use than HTLR version and way cheaper.

As for tubeless vs tubes, if it’s over 30mm wide I’ll give it a go tubeless, if under then it’s getting a tube. On an Audax I’ll always carry two spare tubes and patches anyway. If I’m tubeless then a little tube of spaff goes in as well as some anchovies.

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Gking ss
https://flic.kr/p/2n9RxDD

https://flic.kr/p/2mQkoSn

Snoqualmie 44s
https://flic.kr/p/2nGUWjy

Terreno zero
https://flic.kr/p/2jMHL4x

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 3:37 pm
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I'd go GK Semi-slick over Slicks (or Slick+) from experience that my wife has had with them. GK SK are not too bad rolling either, and I (93kg) run 38mm at 48-50 psi on road with no issue.
If sticking with tubes, Marathon Greenguards are a decent compromise of grip, cost and puncture resistance without being too heavy.

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 4:06 pm
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@matt_outandabout

More like 10-20w a wheel at similar pressures.

If you've got that spare to waste you're stronger than me...

@shedbrewed

RR is mostly about casing suppleness. Cheap casings are false economies.

If you want a semi knob with some picture resistance pathfinder pros. Beat gravelkings of any form in most tests.

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 8:58 pm
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@continuity - check out the RR test on them.

20watts is difference between a slick touring tyre in 35mm and something like Magic Mary 2.4...

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-top-contact-ii-2015

 
Posted : 27/09/2022 9:14 pm