[Closed] SPDs on a Road Bike?

I find on a road bike that if I use small MTB pedals I get a lot of pain focused in the middle of my feet- due, I assume, to a smaller contact area and a lack of constant body change position as on the mountain bike. So I use proper road SPDs and find them much better for the pain, as well as feeling (not neccessarily being) more efficient.

Most of my riding is commuting, transport or social -

If I was you I'd stick with mountain bike style if you haven't suffered with hot / pressure spots on your feet. I did suffer and so swapped to road pedals. I find single sided pedals a bit of a pain when in traffic, starting at temporary lights etc.

I find on a road bike that if I use small MTB pedals I get a lot of pain focused in the middle of my feet- due, I assume, to a smaller contact area

I could see that being an issue with EggBeaters or the like but with my Mallets the contact area is huge - it's like using a flat pedal with a cleat in the middle to hold you on.

I favoured a pair of Crank Bros Mallets like you first, until I got fed up with Crank Bros reliability and then went back to some Shimano M530's. This was when I was using a road bike more like you describe.

These days I only really go out on the road bike for a proper road ride every so often. I bought some Look Keo Max 2's off a friend that had gone over to Shimano's on all his bikes, and a pair of Sidi shoes, and I really like them. Wouldn't say it's night and day in terms of efficiency, but they're more comfortable on a long ride and my average speeds have gone up (very slightly mind).

That said, come winter, the MTB SPD's will be back on as I can use my Shimano Goretex boots that way! And if I was mainly still commuting, or transport otherwise, I'd probably revert back to some platform type SPD's quite quickly as MTB shoes are so much easier to walk in!

Where as i got the same pains in the centre of my feet with my road shoes ( normal spd) and when i moved the cleats on them to the correct position it went away.

Poor cleat position n spds will be magnified on a road bike to to limited movements during riding.

I could see that being an issue with EggBeaters or the like but with my Mallets the contact area is huge - it's like using a flat pedal with a cleat in the middle to hold you on.

People used to question why I used a, in their words, "Freeride pedal" on my road bike... My answer was precisely as you describe! They may not be light, but hot spots aren't an issue...

I use SPDs on my road bike and not had any hot spot issues, I only do 60 miles at most though.

I find it handy since I ride with SPDs on my MTB too (well, one of them).

If your "freeride" pedal had any effect on hotspots it was due to crapy flexy shoes.

Even mt41s dont flex that much.

My m300s are niticably stiffer

My aldi shoes i once had - they flexed

I think the efficiency/hotspot issues will depend on the sort of shoes just as much as the type of pedal.

IME, unless you are racing, there isn't a lot of difference between a stiff soled XC racing shoe on SPDs and a road shoe on LOOK.

did you say its a CX bike?

Then just get normal spds, road pedals would look daft on that.

cheap [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-pd-m520-pedals/ ]shimano M520's[/url] will be fine

Plenty of people in the club use SPD's, I far prefer roadie (shimano SPD-SL) style pedals though.

MTB shoes/cleats are far better if you hve to do any walking through.

Incidentaly I've just gone from CB to shimano on my MTB after destroying a £70 set of candy's in 5 months.

Edit: missed the CX bike bit, don't try and use road pedals off road, they clog with mud in 30s flat.

I wouldn't get road cleats/shoes if you're mostly commuting and socialising. Road cleats aren't particularly practical when it comes to walking around.

I commute with road shoes/cleats but leave some flip flops in my bike locker for the 300m walk to the office.

My shoes are/were Specialized Body Geometry MTB ones (with laces and proper grip on the sole) - they aren't flexy, but certainly not stiff by road standards. I can walk normally in them, which I like!

did you say its a CX bike?

Aye, with discs and 28mm tyres too, so I'm not too worried about meeting the roadie "rules" 😀

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(note: yes the saddle height has been increased since this photo was taken 🙂 )

Using touring pedals on my road bike:

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Shimano MTB cleats, single sided, thin, light, road style pedals. There's an A530 and A600 too, the top being 280 odd grams per pair, which isn't far off Dura Ace road pedals.

I have spd's on my road bike, basically because i've got a few pairs of mtb shoes and it makes it all transferable. I'm not racing on my road bike so the few extra grams or whatever doesn't bother me!

missed the CX bike bit, don't try and use road pedals off road, they clog with mud in 30s flat.

I don't actually do an "real" CX (yet) - but I do ride bridleways, towpaths etc

I wouldn't get road cleats/shoes if you're mostly commuting and socialising. Road cleats aren't particularly practical when it comes to walking around.

I guess the trouble is I want the best of both worlds without having to change pedals and shoes when I go for a more serious road ride.

Clearly n+1 is the correct answer 😀

The closest I got to road pedals

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IME ..Get a good stiff soled pair of shoes and pedal size is less of a problem with regards to hot spots.

I find single sided pedals a bit of a pain when in traffic, starting at temporary lights etc.

Get a good stiff soled pair of shoes and pedal size is less of a problem with regards to hot spots.

Okay - so can anyone recommend some SPD-compatible shoes with good stiff soles that look "normal" enough to happily wear on a casual ride to the pub where non-cycling humanoids may be present?

[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/clothing/shoes/product/review-bontrager-ssr-multisport-trail-shoes-12-46399 ]http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/clothing/shoes/product/review-bontrager-ssr-multisport-trail-shoes-12-46399[/url]

Wearing a pair of those at work right now, getting far less odd looks than I used to get in proper disco slippers.

There are a lot of shoes that look like nerdy hiking shoes (like those Bonts above) or space-age trainers (like the 661 Filter) but very little in between.

I really like the look of DZR shoes [url= https://www.dzrshoes.com/shoes ]https://www.dzrshoes.com/shoes[/url] but they are bloomin' expensive for what they are IMO.

Speedplay. Double sided, dead comfy, no hotspots, as easy to clip out of and almost as easy to clip into as SPDs.

I've been considering making the move to speedplay...think they might be my birthday pressie this year

With regards hot foot, I'm the other way. I've been using Look pedals for over 20 years on my road bikes and originally SPDs on the MTB's but I've been on Egg shoeeaters for the past four years.

I've never suffered with hot foot when MTBing but occasionally do with the road.

Odd

Anyhoo, as someone with four pairs of road shoes and two pairs of MTB,I'd say stick with MTB shoes and pedals.

I've always used road pedals for road and spds for anything off road, mountain biking and 'cross, but I'd be happy using spds on the road.

I think the example of Andy Wilkinson is the best advert for using what you want;

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538831/andy-wilkinson-s-dolan-time-trial-bike.html

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I use Time Atacs on my road bike, mainly as that's what I've got on my mtb. Can't say I've ever noticed hot spots, and I've done 200km+ rides with them. I do use "proper" xc shoes though.

Have just made the change from SPDs to SPD-SL on my roadbike for reasons too boring to go into. HEre are my thoughts:

- The shoe/pedal combo are lighter, which is nice.
- Feet feel a bit more 'locked in' when sprinting.
- Cleat position is more sensitive because there is less float.
- They are a wee bit harder to clip/unclip so if you do change expect a slight learning curve.
- They feel more efficient, probably as a result of some kind of bike placebo.
- Don't do a bike race on them the third time you ride with them. Getting dropped at the start of the race because you can't clip in properly does not make you feel like a hero.

I use Crank Bros Candies off and on road. Got a nice pair of Giro shoes with an Easton Carbon(ish) soul and don't get pain anywhere - even on 100 mile rides. They're strong enough for MTB, strong enough for fixie riding up steep hills at 30rpm. Comfortable enough for walking round the shops.
Not sure they fit your wants for looking passable in polite company though.

Tick from me too. I've SPDs on the hardtail and commuter and put the wife's unwanted pair on the roadie I got in earlier this year. Will probably switch in the future but its fine so far, have only done one ride over 50 miles but no issues with hot spots. I'll get a stiffer, SPD & SPD-SL compatible shoe in the near future- I'm using a pair of Shimano M075s at the mo.

Cheers,
Jamie

I run candys on my road bike and my mtb, i use speshi bg shoes for the road bike and the storm trooper shimano on the mtb. Using the same cleats on all shoes means i can swap and change and tbh ive got good use out of my candys. If it works then why change.

I'm running some Shimano A530's with Spesh Body Geometry MTB shoes on my road bike which I am using for commuting.

I wanted some proper road shoes but I have to walk up a rough, steep gravel driveway at work which according to the shop would destroy the shoes. Shame as I have some unused new Time iClic 2 Carbons here which are sat doing nothing.

They seem OK so far, however I am suffering from cleat burn and eventually numbness in my left foot on longer rides (although I think that is coming from clenching my toes when I ride, no idea why I do it)

I really like the look of DZR shoes https://www.dzrshoes.com/shoes but they are bloomin' expensive for what they are IMO.

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WTF are hotspots?

They're sometimes on offer - sport pursuit had them recently

Oh, just remembered an advantage of SPD=SL over SPDs: Having a plastic cleat instead of a metal one means you get less of a 'heat sink' effect so it's easier to keep your toes warm. Which is nice.

missnotax - Member

I have spd's on my road bike, basically because i've got a few pairs of mtb shoes and it makes it all transferable. I'm not racing on my road bike so the few extra grams or whatever doesn't bother me!

same here plus I like to be able to walk into a public convenience and not slide the length of the facility
even have those ones that look pedals on one side on my cx at moment as ride to school with little un and means I don't have to go looking for shoes to ride for 15mins - function over style

SPDs on my road bikes always (15 years, including tours, winter training, road races).

I've never felt any pressure from the cleat at all (I am using carbon soled shoes though).

For commuting I wouldn't consider anything else, though I do use cage-side/spd-sid pedals (PDM324 IIRC) pedals so I can use normal shoes too.

I use candies on my road bike with Spec Shoes, work fine but the shoe is stiff anyway. I have mallets on the mountain bike but I am venturing back to candies and stiffer shoes.

Current mallets/candies can be rebuilt really easily so I'm happy with them.

Persona

Hot spots are painful pressure points, typically on the ball of the foot.

Can be caused by a variety of things, flexing soles, tight toe box etc.

Last month I spent 9 hours in the saddle riding the Evans King of the Downs sportive without any issues. A couple of weeks later I got foot cramps two hours in on a flatish ride. Weird.

I switched to SPD SL and apart from it being much easier to clip in/out I haven't really noticed much difference. SPD SL cleats don't seem as adjustable and I still can't get my right one as far back as I'd like but think I've got used to it now.

WTF are hotspots?

Basically it's a pressure point where your cleats are attached to the shoe and the pedal pushes on them. Ends up with it feeling hot/painful if you ride long enough. I only got them with MTB shoes and eggbeaters (I've tried no other MTB shoe+pedal combo though) and never had them since I switched to road shoes.

I used to use candies, they seemed to work fine at the time but the move onto proper road shoes/pedals was enlightening 🙂

shimano sandals and spd type pedals seem fine to me--weeks of touring or long day rides.....

Thanks M1kea and Atlas

Never experienced any of the symptoms you describe despite using SPDs for 20+ years. On the road bike with carbon, plastic and mtb soles. haven't used SPDs on an mtb for probably 15yrs but never experienced it when I did..

Can't really see how it's caused by duration of the ride? badly fitting shoes, poor cleat set-up or poor pedalling technique sound more likely culprits, no?

get normal spds, road pedals would look daft

Normal SPDs on all my bikes (well, 1 CX and 2 HT), but I do notice a slight lack of support on the outside of the foot. Was going to try those newer type XT Trail SPDs which have a tiny bit of cage round them.
Did consider a swap to CB eggbeaters (with cage) but that means a swap on all bikes in one go, since I use the same shoes for everything.

Up to 6 months ago I would have said SPD's are fine for all bikes. However I bought some SPDsl's and am now convinced of there improved function when on the bike at least. Tougher to clip in, out and less pleasant to walk on but much more connected when your peddling.

Thanks for all the replies - glad to see I'm not alone in my perversion. 😀
Think I'm pretty sold on sticking with a MTB-style SPD system with recessed cleats that can be walked on.

A lot of people mentioning Candies, but my experience of them is that (unlike the Mallets) they only contact the shoe at the cleat/eggbeater and the cage around them doesn't offer any support.

Has that improved in later designs? Or is it just a case of finding shoes that will touch the Candy cage when engaged?

the move onto proper road shoes/pedals was enlightening

Is it a night and day difference then? More comfortable or just faster?

Think I'm pretty sold on sticking with a MTB-style SPD system with recessed cleats that can be walked on.

A decent pair of mtb shoes will have stiff enough soles to avoid hotspots, and still have walk ability.

My road bike has XTR trail SPD's and my Northwave Celsius boots.

candies... they only contact the shoe at the cleat/eggbeater and the cage around them doesn't offer any support.

that was true of the old design, but the new design is notably different and there is definite contact with the cage. I still have both old and new types and much prefer the newer ones.
it will also depend on the tread of your shoe.

Graham S YGM.

Is it a night and day difference then? More comfortable or just faster?

it depends on how serious a racer you are.

On a scale of 1 to 10? Around 1.

No real intention of racing any time soon. Might do the odd sportive in the future, but that's about it.

As I mentioned earlier, CX bike with 28mm tyres and discs (even mudguards and a bell!), it's not exactly a race machine.

I find single sided pedals a bit of a pain when in traffic, starting at temporary lights etc.

Roadie ones always hang the same way, the right way up pointing about 45deg up at the front. Cliping in's just a case of sliding your foot forewards to engage the nose of the cleat in the 'loop' of the pedal at TDC, then the action of pedaling (pushing down) clicks the back in.

Has that improved in later designs? Or is it just a case of finding shoes that will touch the Candy cage when engaged?

Well my shoes wore away at the body so there must be some suppourt at least on the sides.

The bearings (the mid range cartrige model, so not even the cheep one!) only lasted 5 months (100 hours, 800 miles?) though so wouldn't recomend them at all based on that.

Oooh that's pretty sucky!

I rebuilt the Mallets a couple of months ago after the [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/is-it-about-time-i-serviced-my-pedals ]bearings exploded and left me like this[/url]:

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But they were ages old and had just suffered through a winter of commuting through snow (and no maintenance).

Look KEO for all road duties including commuting and riding fixed wheel. I carry cleat covers for walking in a back pocket and have shoes at work. Clipping in becomes second nature - even fixed - where there is much less room for error.

I did start road riding many years ago on 747 spds, and ride spds on the tandem when I need to hold the bike up with a stoker - the extra shoe grip helps. Never had hot spots either.

I changed to SPD-SLs over the winter for my road bike, I'm thinking of changing back, I've been suffering with numb feet and I think it's vibration causing it (the pedal connection is much more rigid) plus the fact that cleats cost a fortune and wear out in 10 minutes, I've not found any obvious benefit.

Other than I can wear shiny silver shoes now.

persona - Member

Thanks M1kea and Atlas

Never experienced any of the symptoms you describe despite using SPDs for 20+ years. On the road bike with carbon, plastic and mtb soles. haven't used SPDs on an mtb for probably 15yrs but never experienced it when I did..

Can't really see how it's caused by duration of the ride? badly fitting shoes, poor cleat set-up or poor pedalling technique sound more likely culprits, no?

I have monkey feet (v broad and high insteps) so take shoe fit seriously. All my shoes have conformable moulded insoles and I currently have, Carnac, Northwave, Sidi and Spesh shoes.

Two factors I am confident with: 1) MTBing involves a lot of stop start so you get to flex the feet more. 2) I only tend to get this problem when it's hot.

Back OT, road cleats do wear quite quickly if you do any walking on them. - Another factor to consider?

I find single sided pedals a bit of a pain when in traffic, starting at temporary lights etc.

Roadie ones always hang the same way, the right way up pointing about 45deg up at the front.