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let's say you were riding into work, minding your own business.
next minute a car cut's across the front of you, just missing you to make a left turn.
you brake hard, but stay on the bike.
you then give the driver the ****er signal.
the car goes into reverse, and out jumps a bloke.
a almighty row ensues, all be it from distance off say 8 ft.
it calms a bit, and you say ' you need to be carefull next time, mate'
meaning not to do it to anyone again.
in a instant the guy is in your face, like 5mm away, screaming how he will kill you.
so the inevitable happens, you smash you forehead into his screaming face, his nose smashes, and he drops to his knees crying like a kid, blood pis5ing from his face.
3 people watching cheer you and say he deserved it.
you get on your bike and quietly pedal off.
would it be the correct way to act or not....... ❓
Violence is never the answer but it sounds like he deserved it!
What car was he driving?
I'd take a different route into work now for a couple of weeks!
If someone threatens to kill you then violence is perfectly acceptable!
Not at all correct, in anyway. Violence begets violence.
However with the adrenaline hit that a near miss like that causes and the fear factor of having someone screaming in your face like that I find I can only thump em or laugh. Dunno why laughing helps calm me down but it does.
Having been in that situation before I cant bring myself to condem you for thumping him. Im sure people will be along in a minute though 😉
Well hope you get other people phone numbers as you will need witnesses indeed. That is the kind of little scrotum that will pull up a fight only to get spank severely and then go and cry to the police.
Violence was not necessary. But sometimes it feels goooooood.
a guy came up to you and started screaming in your face? did he have some step ladders with him?
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Headbutting someone always strikes me as a very cowardly act. Now if you had challenged him to 'put up his dukes or piss off' i would have been impressed.
Sounds like he deserved a slap, but headbutting him......
Yes
what helmet for headbutting someone?
good move tho' - headbutt to the face, unexpected and effective.
punching someone will just break your hand.
(you've got 3 primary targets in a fight: eyes / throat / gentlemans' area)
how do you nut someone ( accurately ) if you're wearing a cycle helmet ?
True story? Nice one! Hope your swede isn't bruised too much.
He must have had a death wish, squaring up to you mate.
nice one. and not in a sarcastic way either.
bloke sounds like a jumped up prick.
so the inevitable happens, you smash you forehead into his screaming facewould it be the correct way to act or not.......
Depends whether you now need to buy yourself a new helmet or not.
Damn right, some people deserve a kicking like that, he no doubt thought 'skinny cyclist I'll have him' -twunt.
Best addition to mtb commuting armoury are spd shoes with metal toe studs in them, make a right mess of lights/panels and flesh especially if you do like old school rugby and footy players and file them sharp.
Had a similar thing years ago with a cab driver, put a 4ft scrape down his car when he fored me off into some roadworks barriers trying to squeeze past, he got out to chance his arm and when he shoved me it was all the excuse I needed to drop him - smashed his nose and gave him a decent shiner to go with it, don't think he'll ever do it again. Lesson there, I'm an ex rugby player and a chef so am a bit handy when pushed!
Did you get him with the peak of the helmet on the bridge of the nose as thats going to hurt...... oh i do hope you did 😈
well done.
shame i have to second the thoughts above about witnesses, you might get lucky and he may crawl under a rock for a while.
do not change your commute, unless you think you are in the wrong.
if you shout at me from three foot away im gonna kick or punch you, any closer im gonna headbutt you, if you can remain 8' away im happy to let you scream and shout all you like, i'll probably just laugh at you and suggest you will give yourself a heart attack.
he no doubt thought 'skinny cyclist I'll have him' -twunt
never met ton have you.
I don't encourage a violent reaction but you clearly felt under threat if he was standing 5mm from you then you were wide-open to a nasty attack and he had just threatened to kill you. Not sure what the problem with a quick headbutt is except that it can go wrong and hurt a lot. I suppose grappling would be better but you have to be confident you know what you're doing.
Remember, he drives a deadly weapon. Avoid your usual route for a while.
[i]I'm an ex rugby player and a chef so am a bit handy when pushed!
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I will bare that in mind if i ever get into an argument with Anthony Worrell Thompson 🙂
he no doubt thought 'skinny cyclist I'll have him'
If he did he's mad.
He should have thought "**** me this guy is built like a bear, best not doing somenthing stupid like treated to kill him."
Ton ,you did the right thing. He ensured violence when he entered into your personal space. There's only ever one outcome if you do that.
Nope it wouldn't.
Not saying he didn't deserve it, but you'd be now sharing the roads with an very angry aggresive bloke who's driving a car and looking for revenge.
Bravo Ton!
Now if only you were wearing a helmet cam 😈
Ah, the old overtake a cyclist, sharp left 2 seconds later move. A personal favourite
Can't fault you at all based on the evidence.
Many motorists think they are invincible and treat vulnerable cyclists like ****. Karate chop to the throat i say
5mm away, screaming how he will kill you
If someone screamed that at me, that close, they would have got the same off me too.
Vocally shouting off is one thing, but taking it to your face and saying they are going to kill you is another.
Ton - go on tell us what was he driving, BMW X6 by any chance 😉
nobtwidler - MemberIf someone threatens to kill you then violence is perfectly acceptable!
Violence is only justified in self defence.
Understandable in this case and mitigating circumstances but still morally and legally wrong.
Still - the driver probably won't have a go at a cyclist again
ton - I can't help feeling that this is a made up tail to keep us all busy on a Wednesday morning 🙂
If Ton is as big as I think he is I find it hard to believe that anyone would get "in his face" like that
I hope you follwed it up and keyed his car and lobbed a bomb in the windscreen?
Don't agree with headbutting either, but yeah, sounds like a good approach.
I had a close one with a bloke who turned left in exactly the same way, very very close to knocking me off - I shouted "PR1CK!" which he heard and stopped just up ahead by the entrance to a some houses. As he got out of his crappy car he probably expected me to shit myself and sprint off, so I rode up to him, got off the bike and said "You nearly killed me there" -he was weird, couldn't look me in the eye, just as his slow brain was working out what to say, a car drove out of the entrance road. A cop car! Cop got out and said to me "Everything ok?" "Yes apart from this bloke trying to kill me". We all went on our merry way.
Chuckled all the way to work!
As cheesyfeet says. [b]DONT[/b] ride the sameway for a couple of weeks.
You lot are all scared of Ton. If I'd have nutted someone you'd be calling for the death penalty....
I blame the coffee.
The guy probably thought he was still in his car therefore immune to a cyclist attack
Well Done if it did happen.
Great, another commuting troll thread.
Just a thought, I have always wondered if u have a big sign on your jersey saying one of a couple of things would help:
dont fekking kill me with youre car, I might be your father, brother, cousin or best friend and that wouldnt be nice
OR
dont fekking hit me with youre car cos I'll rip your head off and crap down your fat double chinned head THEN key your pride and joy
OR
Government Health Warning: Agressive Cyclist, Give me space.
Maybe a little agressive but they'd have been warned!
Should have sat on him
let's say...
Sounded pretty hypothetical to me.
I can't help feeling that this is a made up tail to keep us all busy on a Wednesday morning
Well he does phrase it as a hypothetical!
Nice one, I'd change my route though, he might turn up with 3 mates in the car.
I would like to see cycling jerseys with this sign on:
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I'm an ex rugby player and a chef so am a bit handy when pushed!
Are chefs hard then? Do they regularly go out the back and have meat cleaver fights in a Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon stylee?
Nice work ton 😀
Don't believe a word of it, and as Goan says, if he'd have said you definitely wouldn't have been sucking his plumbs 🙄
Who was it on here that had a Hi-Vis top with "Polite Cyclist" on?
BTW a much better solution would have been the grabbing and squeezing of the guys nuts.
I don't believe this ever happened
We were a bit partial to the odd brawl 😉 got sacked from one job for having a punchup during service on a Sat night, shame was the head chef said I was in the right but being the junior member of staff it was me that had to go!
Never met Ton, is he really that big?!
genesis - he's around 6'5"^3
he drops to his knees crying like a kid, blood pis5ing from his face.
And you didn't kick him whilst he was on his knees?
I suppose you shouldn't have done it, but in no way do I feel sorry for the other guy. From the description, you could reasonably assume that he intended to assault you, so you could use an argument of self-defence should the rozzers come calling.
I think we need ton to tell us if this was real or imagined...
Nice one Tony!
Just change your route for a while. He obviously suffers from roadrage hence he'll easily swerve into you and drive off to get his revenge.
It never goes down well in court when you headbut someone.
The psychologist comes along and says its a pointer towards deep violent tendancies and anger iss uesto use your HEAD as a weapon.
A normal/balanced person in this situation would use fists and attempt to protect the head.
Your pleas of self defence and unprovoked attack are a litle quiet and less well received!
Trust me.
Just a warning 😉
But i would have sparked him out. Cyclist, white van man and an odd shape!
I get more than my fair share of "altercations"
DezB - Member
I think we need ton to tell us if this was real or imagined...
very true, i'm afraid.
i do not feel good about it , but this guy was off on one...
it will be on cctv, it was a main junction opposite tetleys.
i will be going the same way home and continue going the same way.
i will be going the same way home and continue going the same way.
I'm looking foreward to the next chapter of this thread....
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Surely your helmet will be destroyed?
It never goes down well in court when you headbut someone.
The psychologist comes along and says its a pointer towards deep violent tendancies and anger iss uesto use your HEAD as a weapon.
A normal/balanced person in this situation would use fists and attempt to protect the head.
Anyone with self defence training will know that you cannot effectively use your fists when an aggressor is this close, a head butt is a perfectly sensible use of force to diffuse a situation, as long as you strike once and effectively then the self defence plea stands up, 2 or more strikes and self defence goes out the window.
It never goes down well in court when you headbut someone.
The psychologist comes along and says its a pointer towards deep violent tendancies and anger iss uesto use your HEAD as a weapon.
A normal/balanced person in this situation would use fists and attempt to protect the head.
Interesting. In a similar situation I think my instinctive reaction would be headbutt as well. To use fists would involve having to retreat to have enough room to punch. Knee to the nads would be the only other option that would come to mind in such a case if the guy was so close.
Physically I'm exactly the opposite of Ton though - 5'10" and skinny, so my usual response in such situations is to run like hell. However there does come a point when the red mist descends...
Knee to the groin votchy? Stamp on his toes? Rake his shins? Run away?
You might get away with the Gerrard defense - "I was so scared he was going to hit me I hit him first" But I really wouldn't count on it for a headbutt
It never goes down well in court when you headbut someone.
[i]That[/i] is the funniest thing I've ever read on STW. Effing brilliant.
Last time I headbutted someone (along longtime ago) I had a headache for two days afterwards 😕
Nutters on the other hand dont even feel pain 🙁
Physically I'm exactly the opposite of Ton though - 5'10" and skinny, so my usual response in such situations is to run like hell
Well I am about half the volume ton is sadly I am very stubborn and would have done the same.
I fought twice outside of the play ground. Once due to an "aggression" (I think now i should have just walk away) by a cyclist and another time by a road rage (somewhere in the forum). In both cases I felt very bad about it. Be careful though ton, it will be very easy for him to hit you with his car. So carefull down here ton.
As it is a true story I would go down to the police station NOW to report it.
Better safe than sorry as brits say.
It seems a shame that you resorted to violence, but he doesn't seeem to have given you much option. I'd like to be able to say I'd react differently, but you don't know until you're in that situation. Hopefully nothing more will come of it, but I'd be extra cautious if I were you for a bit, it's not like you aren't easy to spot! Do you have any details, car reg and type etc?
The guy must have been pretty tall and looking ton in the eye, because at 6'4" Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to nut someone much shorter than me.
Stoner - Member
The guy must have been pretty tall and looking ton in the eye, because at 6'4" Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to nut someone much shorter than me.
You have to pick them up by the neck first.
Id say that would stand up as self defence surely?
Anyone 5mm from your face shouting "I'm going to kill you", your going to take them at their word, not think, hmm maybe he's over reacting, or maybe he's bluffing.
If I had the psycology to hit someone (I dont, i just cant bring myself to connect with any force) I'd have done just the same.
Thank you ton this is actualy my area of expertise.
From your account you were acting in self defence using reasonable force to protect yourself from a perceived imediate threat of violence .
Personally i would be reluctant to follow Juan's advise and report the matter to the police unless you can identify the bloke, as every crime report needs a resolution and they may decide you will do for the offender, cctv of incident plus you saying that big bloke using violence is me = charge of Affray, and it's up to you to raise self defence. A local Crime Solicitor will have a feel for how this would play out with your local police and weather or not it would be wise to get your account in early.
Should he get the Police involved do not talk to them without legal representation it is free at the police station and your lawyer will ensure you frame your account truthfully and with an eye to the legal issues . Do it yourself and you may find your account twisted to your disadvantage.
While i admire and understand your stance my advise is do not run the risk of further meetings vary your route that sort of muppett may well do something stupid and dangerous if he sees you again.
I wouldnt fancy a "Glesgae kiss" fae you Tony mate.
Funnily enough on Monday I was cycling along a busy road and I think i averaged a shout at a driver every two miles when they just missed by right elbow or drove 12 inches off my rear wheel, but I dont cycle on busy roads that often.
having time to gesture means that it was not a near miss imo. having commuted for the best part of 30yrs the only thing I would consider a "near miss" was the 2 times I had a full brakes on sideways drift to avoid cars pulling out and stopping in front of me. 1 of those being at 25mph on my road bike. Got satisfaction of seeing lady drivers eyes, the shear terror of me coming sideways towards her passenger door 😯
Well it was very naughty. BUT it compensates for the four foot nothing motorist that managed to knock me clean off my feet.
Bloomin old style LOOK road cleats one little nudge and I was over like a total spaz.
The shame.
Though I do come from the non PC school of dealing with motorists, to the extent that one of the guys I ride road with has to give me a little lecture about it pre ride. Trouble like that is very rare though, once a decade if that. Though how people stay cool on here is amazing. I'm a strong believer of being politely agressive in the first place.
Headbutt! never would have thought of that, nasty.
Lesson there, I'm an ex rugby player [b]and a chef[/b] so am a bit handy when pushed
"I also cook!"
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oldgit, I think people stay cool on here as unlike a weekends roadride (can be random) MTB'ers tend to ride/commute down a set route daily so its not worth the worry.
I had a right old ding dong with a driver and its wife.. when they had pulled in again further on to let his wife out I stopped and I apologised to them (even though they were in the wrong). She screamed the street down that she wanted me killed and that I had a terrible accident coming my way etc. I didnt want anyone hurt (other commuters through mistaken identity) or myself so i called the truce. Didnt ****in work mind.
Violence on the road solves nothing. Just see motorists like horses, you startle one and it may kick off at the next cyclist. Same could be said for cyclists I guess as well...
All this about not having room to punch! It only takes a split second to take half a step back.
Anyway, good for you ton, I'm not glad it was a real scenario, but there are many motorists who deserve it that you don't get a chance to "warn" in such a way.
"..MTB'ers tend to ride/commute down a set route daily..."
You what?
beware of the chef 😀
I think you were wrong to do it TBH.
I'm 6ft, 16 stone and am well able to look after myself having had training to do so. I don't hit people because that would make me feel a bit of a ****er.
If he had hit you or if you had warned him to back off and he came back swinging that's one thing but sounds like you took the opportunity to hit someone because you could, makes you a bully as far as I'm concerned.
He was just barking and you were spiteful, sorry if that goes against the grain but there it is.
I don't really believe this, but that's irrelevant. Of course violence is a perfectly sensible answer if you're the size of a house and you're acting in self-defence.
For most normally sized people, the best result would be not to make the international sign of the masturbator at someone, resulting in them not threatening to kill you and everyone having a better day. 🙂
Yep violence is wrong. But IMO Ton tid the right thing. Back down and he'll just keep coming, maybe day after day. I was always taught to stand up to stuff like this, that violence was a last resort, but if it looked unavoidable, get in there first.....