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For his birthday my 7 year old was bought a football strip by a friend as a wee bit of a wind up joke as it is a team I detest not just because of the team but all the bigotry and crap that comes with it. So I have taken it of him and am returning it and now have a very upset boy, not because he supports or even knows anything about it. What woul you do. Most of my friends on both sides say the same that it would be taken of the child.
I would get a good night sleep and not worry about it because it's
A: Just football
B: A tshirt.
Erm let him keep it? Don't really understand how you can detest a team in a game?
I'm going to make a wild guess here, is it possible you're scottish 😆
We got a mate's baby a celtic strip, I think he may have burned it.
My immediate thought was it's just a football kit, but if you have genuine reason for not liking that team then fair enough. Poor form to use your kid to play a prank on you. What would I do? Buy my boy another strip if my feelings about the other team were strong enough.
[u]You[/u] took a (non dangerous) present off your 7 year old because [u]you[/u] have a problem with it?
You need to have a word with yourself.
Football fans are a weird bunch :).
..and now have a very upset boy
What woul you do
The opposite of what you did I reckon.
It's the lads birthday and you've basically nicked one of his presents, and upset him, because it doesn't match what you think.
If it's Manure I applaud you...if not you're ill
Your "friends" are out of order and you wont be able to explain it to a non football fan
Like NW I suspect there are sectarian overtones to this which i am glad to have left behind in Scotland ;the attitudes shames the game and the country.
ITS LIEK GIVIN A BLACK KID A KKK COSTUME!!tWO& LOL
It's not really.
Not really that interested in football any more but like I said I don't like the whole bigotry that alway creeps in with this team.
Buy their kid a drum kit next birthday.
Keep the kit and sew your teams badge on it.
It's like planting your flag on foreign soil.
You did the right thing. Don't encourage kids to play wendyball.
Buy him a cycling jersey instead. 🙂
Beaten too it.
This is sTW, any football strip is the wrong one.
...I don't like the whole bigotry that alway creeps in with this team.
Eugh, Chelsea I presume. Fun for all the family.
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So I have taken it of him and am returning it and now have a very upset boy
not this, its his birthday and you take away his present? Nice going. You've just exhibited the same bigotry and sectarianism
bigotry, discrimination, or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion, class, regional or factions of a political movement.
I'd have let him keep it, but explain to him why you find it so offensive, and let him make up his own mind about what he wants to wear.
Cycling tops he has a plenty.
Is it a Celtic/Rangers thing ? I reckon the whole buisness with those two teams is madness, but I understand how the wrong kit could be inappropriate.
Like others I'm thinking Rangers/Celtic? Replace it with a non-sectarian alternative if the lad's a football fan. Let your friend know what an @rse he is.
I don't think children should wear clothing that sends a message they're not old enough to understand.
If your boy is able to comprehend what the sort means to those looking at him then I'd hope he would choose not to wear it, if he can't understand then you have to make the decision for him.
I'd offer an alternative if he doesn't keep it though.
Let him keep the kit for his birthday.
Replace it with one of your choice in a few days.
Have a word with your 'mate' for using your kid in the hilarious prank.
I used to play in goal for a side that had a strong Irish connection. They insisted on playing in green and white hoops. So I retaliated
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Replace it with a non-sectarian alternative
A simple football top isn't sectarian.
Accidentally boil wash it and replace with a more caring teams shirt?
Football?
They're all a bunch of pricks. So as long you don't indoctrinate him, you did him a favour.
You've just introduced your son to bigotry by using his father as an example.
Go you.
You're right, just stick it in the bin and get him an England shirt with Rooney on the back instead
I can see where the OP is coming from, but I say: Let him keep it.
But take your seven-year old to watch your local lower-league team, buy him (or her) a scarf and a meat-pie, and make him a fan for life.
Our neighbour took Thump to watch a certain green/white hooped team, and gave him a scarf too. Thump had a great time but several Stirling Albion games later is an Albion fan through and through.
( The same neighbour also took a life-long Juventus fan to watch them at Celtic Park last year - travelled through on the team bus, sat with season-ticket holders in his Juventus kit and had the time of his life! )
Football loyalties aren't simple in much of Scotland, and not limited to Rangers/Celtic. Ever been to Larkhall?
most of my friend on both sides
Of what? Just buy him the other strip and they'll cancel each other out.
take it off him and buy him something that he wants more.
kick your mate in the bawbag.
Ever been to Larkhall?
There are no green traffic lights in Larkhall.
What brakes said. On one hand taking a pressie from a child seems daft.... but if your mate genuinely bought it to annoy you, and used your child he's a **** for putting you in that position.
THM - I wouldnt go showing rugby up as the "good" "clean" sport given that it has by far the most people serving doping bans....
Could you swap it for something more practical and educational, like a musical instrument?
A flute maybe?
(weird double post deleted)
FFS When are adult football fans going to start behaving like grownups, start setting decent examples to kids & realise at the end of the day it's only a chuffin' game?
A flute maybe?
Or even an imaginary one?
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This thread makes me sad. Poor kid, having a birthday prezzie taken away by his own dad 🙁
simondbarnes - MemberThis thread makes me sad. Poor kid, having a birthday prezzie taken away by his own dad
That is the bottom line but the kid is a pawn in a game that is being played by his dad's mate. All done in jest but of course the kid does not understand it.
People attach themselves to teams. Sometimes it is due to nationality, sometimes it is local geography, sometimes it is handed down through the generations.
People are quick to brandish football as a demon for this type of thing but how would a Welsh/Scottish rugby fan feel is their child was given an England rugby kit as a prank? Or, the child of a macho father to be given a Barbie doll?
I am really glad I have two, quite girly girls.
Football still seems to make some people into utter knobs, others seem able to just enjoy it as a game...
OP's kid, his choice how to raise him, so long as he's happy he's not instilling any future issues then crack on...
Have you ever noticed how people who don't play the flute have no idea how one is held?
Anyway, re. the shirt. Lose it in the wash. It won't be missed for long.
I've had this, with mates of the bluer mancanian hue trying to draw daughter number one (who bloody loves her football) over to the dark side, when she was younger. It didn't work. She's more sense than that! And now wears the green and white of the team she plays for, and a proper red one off-pitch 😀
If they'd bought her a top, i'd have burnt it! i'm not having that shit in the house!
Nice to see the egg chasers tediously holding up their sport as a bastion of fairness and gentlemenly conduct though. I can't quite square that with the messages of venomous hatred I've been reading today from Ireland fans towards England.
And then there's the fact that rugby is just shit. But somehow I seem to manage not to feel the need to go on the rugby thread to point this out. If only the rugby fans could do the same Eh? I live in hope.... 😉
binners - MemberAnd then there's the fact that rugby is just shit.
Only if you're scottish.
Anyway, I presume that this thread is all because he didn't get a nice maroon top, perhaps with Zeefiuk on the back.
I don't like the whole bigotry that alway creeps in with this team...
An excellent example of irony!
You've just introduced your son to bigotry by using his father as an example.Go you.
^^This
It's attitudes like yours which are keeping sectarianism alive.
Take the ball off him too because of all the bigotry and crap that comes with it.
I decided not to move into a new house because I didn't like the garden and the bigger tree that came with it.
I don't think the OP mentioned whether he supports the rival team, is it bigoted or sectarian if you detest both equally. FWIW assuming it is Rangers/Celtic, if either strip arrived for my 7yo it'd be in the bin.
This is exactly why I don't like football
It causes grown men to act like 2 year olds
It's a game
It's a colour
And now you're upsetting your child because of some ridiculous bigotry
If indeed it was rangers/celtic then either would be on the bbq as far as i am concerned.
OP - Swap it for jersey/tickets to an international.
It is a bit of a leap to conclude that the OP is a bigot for objecting to bigotry, based on the limited information provided.
It's not easy being a dad 🙂
It's not easy being a dad
Well, I hope we all realise how stupid we are. It doesn't matter in the slightest what happens with the strip!
jools182 - Member
This is exactly why I don't like ________It causes grown men to act like 2 year olds
Fill in the blank
Religion
Beer
Christmas shopping
It's not football thats making it happen.
People are quick to brandish football as a demon for this type of thing but how would a Welsh/Scottish rugby fan feel is their child was given an England rugby kit as a prank?
The opposite way round happened to my brother, he wasn't bothered.
His daughter was bought a Wales kit and she loved it because her uncle bought her it (not me) and she wore it all the time, for a while. Nobody cared.
His son also has a football kit from the nemesis of the team his dad supports (season ticket holder for years)
They wind each other up for a bit of fun, but again, nobody really cares.
A mate of mine bought me a n england rugby top as a piss take birthday presant (im welsh). I didnt have a strop about it and wore it with pride... It was the ideal attire for things like car or bike maintenance
but how would a Welsh/Scottish rugby fan feel is their child was given an England rugby kit as a prank?
Easy answer. They would have a bit of a laugh, sit down and have a beer with the bloke that bought it, and the kid would be delighted. I know because I've seen it happen.
The OP thing about detesting another team is another example of why so many folk can't be bothered with football. And don't get me started on the of/off thing in the OP either!! (-:
Years ago, my dad gave my daughter a Sheffield Wednesday top. I support Sheffield United. The top stayed in a drawer and eventually disappeared. As it happened, my daughter would never have worn it, but at the time it made my old man happy to play his little prank and maybe feel that he had influenced his grandaughters taste in football. No-one died, no-one got upset and I have no idea what happened to the top 8)
This is so typical of what football does to people. It's just colours and a club name. Let your son wear what he wants to wear and support who he wants to support. I feel sorry for your son if you take his gift away from him just because you don't like that particular team.
mjsmke - Member
I feel sorry for your son if you take his gift away from him just because you don't like that particular team.
Isn't the relvant bit in the OP
...but all the bigotry and crap that comes with it...."
so rather than it being footballing dislike the OP assocaites the strip with bigotry, if that's how he feels I think his actions are fine.
I have to assume the strip is blue and bears the crest of a struggling giant from the West of Scotland? If that is the case; with all due respect to the rugby fans and English folk commenting 'bad dad' etc, you're wrong and don't understand the heavy symbolism at play.
This is not a simple football strip. If you're even vaguely leftie or right-on in any way this would be like letting your kid wear the confederate flag on a trip to the southern US.
If the boy chose to wear it himself then you'd begrudgingly accept that - but it's not something to be foisted by anyone else.
If you wonder why many right-thinking Scots don't like the union flag understand this: it has nothing to do with England or anti-englishness. It's because it has been entirely co-opted up here by bigots. It's become a symbol of a sort of watered-down fascism. The shirt even more so.
The irony is not lost on me that all this makes me a massive bigot myself. I don't care. I like football. I want any Scottish team to do well on the European stage. I like Glasgow. Some of my friends are Gers fans (though most of those have grown out of it). There are lots of nice bears fans in the same way I'm sure there are lots of UKIPers who aren't bats**t crazy - but that doesn't mean I'd ever consider voting for them.
I have a young son who I love and I want him to do things that make him happy... But I wouldn't want him to wear the blue of Rangers.
with all due respect to the rugby fans and English folk commenting 'bad dad' etc, you're wrong and don't understand the heavy symbolism at play.
Or, something you don't seem to have taken into account, they do understand but [b]still [/b]disagree with you.
Correct decision, well done.
Do you understand though, NealGlover? 'Cos it doesn't sound like you do.
If the man has a decent reason to feel that way, that's good enough for me. I was merely giving a relatable example from my part of the country.
If you wonder why many right-thinking Scots don't like the union flag
Is 'right-thinking Scots' code for 'people who agree with me'?
Just wondering, are there any bigots who support other football teams, like Celtic for instance? There does seem to be a special breed of scumbag that supports Rangers though!
Do you understand though, NealGlover? 'Cos it doesn't sound like you do.
What have a I said that makes you think I don't understand.
Findo_gask +1
why not sell the shirt and let the poor kid buy what they really want ..shame to waste a decent present 🙂
Whilst Rangers have a particularly scumming attitude to sectarianism, Celtic haven't exactly been victims have they ...
Singing rebel songs and peppering the Fields of Athenry with IRA chants for example ...
It is a shame any friend would use kids to have a pop at a friend TBH. But is does sound like you are both part of the problem.
It's interesting that people have jumped to conclusions as to what team's shirt it is. There are more clubs out there who have bigotted fans than Rangers and Celtic.
is not a simple football strip. If you're even vaguely leftie or right-on in any way this would be like letting your kid wear the confederate flag on a trip to the southern US.
This says far more about your own prejudices than anybody else's
It's interesting that people have jumped to conclusions as to what team's shirt it is.
I would say it's more interesting that the OP decided not to say which team shirt it was that is so "wrong"
I would say it's more interesting that the OP decided not to say which team shirt it was that is so "wrong"
It's because it's a blatant troll.
💡 Perhaps the Op is researching for his psychology 101 coursework.
I'd be telling my m8 to get back and apologies to your son, for "using him", that or dropping the prick if he won't. Your "m8" is in the wrong, and has caused this, he either fixes it or ****s off
Football is great, go get on and play some... football supporter are different story.
Why not just take it back and swap it for a *Scotland kit?
* delete and add appropriate national team as applicable.