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I know there's been a lot of talk about the Solar Storm X2's on here, but very little in the way of longevity reports... so here goes! 😉
X2 light - Still excellent. Very bright, very waterproof and mine doesn't get too hot even at a standstill on high mode.
Battery - I'm already seeing drop offs in the performance of the supplied batteries. However, I suspect that's due to the main problem I've had.
UK Charger - As said above, I've noticed a drop off in battery performance. With this in mind, I dropped over to Torchy The Battery Boy's place and picked up a nice Fluxient battery pack, AND 4 18650 batteries to go in the battery boxes I've ordered. So... On getting home tonight, I checked the charge in the batteries and the battery pack. The pack was needing charged, so I plugged the charger in. After 5 minutes the charger was so hot it was almost too hot to hold. So... Looks like the UK charger supplied by Dongx2011 is junk. I'll be getting back to him on the battery and charger. I have the same issue with the charger with the stock batteries.
Over all? Considering the cost of the light, I'm still very happy. But I'd advise anyone with the UK charger/stock battery to consider getting decent replacements from Torchy, or another reputable supplier. My charger issue *might* be a one off. Likewise with the batteries, but regardless, the batteries aren't at all well sealed, and for the sake of £30 you can have some faith your house won't catch fire. 🙂
The ebay seller and item I bought:
Torchy's site:
http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/
Torchy's ebay account:
Even considering the cost of a replacement battery pack, the X2 is still a bargain - you can get the light without battery for about £13! All in, for less than the price of a Moon xp300 you can have a stonking light.
Oh - and as an addendum... the Moon lights are fantastic. I've saw a couple of the xp500's, so comparing to the x2 is meant as a compliment, not a Mac vs PC style dis. 🙂
Also, there's been an issue with the contact details/phone number on Torchy's ebay account, so if trying to get a hold of him you may get an irate guy with a wrong number.
Hope the above info helps anyone swithering about the lights...
Finally, just to make sure no one thinks this is a sly ad for Torchy or the ebay seller - I only came to hear of Torchy thru STW recommendations/threads, and have had no prior dealings with him or the ebay seller of my light. 🙂
Im thinking about buying one of these lights.. but would probably buy charger and battery's from torchy.. just out of curiosity where did you see just the light for about £ 13?
Torchy is a top guy to deal with. I pm'd him last week through ebay asking his advice, he got back to me in the hour With help! I've bought several items from him and always quick arriving and quality gear. The Senybor batts. I got 3 winters ago are still great performers and will get some more soon to make up a new pack for my Solarstorm which is a fantastic light for the money.
Im thinking about buying one of these lights.. but would probably buy charger and battery's from torchy.. just out of curiosity where did you see just the light for about £ 13?
I've seen this too from one of the Ebay sellers
Lightmalls had the head unit on sale for about $25
Just to note tho - there are three different LED types available with the Solar Storm
There is the U2, the XM L and the XM L2. The last one is the newest one and is advertised as 2200 lumens
Buying the head unit on it's own and getting the battery and charger from a reliable source is definitely the way to go with these lights.
These lights are so cheap now the head units are disposable - you can afford to replace it whenever the next 'improved' 10,000 lumen model comes along.
If you invest in some decent battery packs and a quality charger they'll see you through a few winters and a few different head units.
My kit now uses an X2 on the bars with a homemade 5AH battery using Samsung cells, and an XM-L T6 on the helmet connected to a little 2x18650 battery using 3Ah Panasonics.
Torchy is a good chap.
Having said that it's only an extra £6 for battery and charger over buying the head unit alone, at that price I bought one anyway just to have a spare. Suspect I'll never use the charger though
Northwind think I'll do the same, buy the light as is and then get a custom battery made by Torchy.
How are you guys building your own batteries with the individual cells?
I have bought 3 lights from dongx on eBay.
The first one was a red one. came with a 4 cell battery and a 2 pin charger.
2nd lot were black and came with 6 cell batteries and UK charger.
The light heads of the black ones are of much higher quality, better screws, and better mount. The switch also operates differently. The red scrolls from high to low including strobe. The blacks scroll from low to high and you have to hold it down for strobe. So looks like there are a few different versions floating around. both seem about the same for brightness, and both use XML U2 LEDS
Yip, seems like the best combination.. think thats the route i'll go down. 🙂
How are you guys building your own batteries with the individual cells?
I bought individual 18650 cells from Torchy and a 2cell charger. Then a 2cell batt.holder from ebay, finished with a suitable plug from maplin. You can just change the cells when flat or use 2 batt. Holders and 4 cells I.E. 2 holders wired together doubling the power supply but still with 7.4V.
I've bought a second battery pack (6x18650's) from Torchy which came complete with the Magicshine/Solarstorm type connector. If the charger is now the weak link (mine also gets hot) can anyone suggest a compatible uk one?
Thanks P8ddy!
Fortunately my charger doesn't overheat but I'm not massively impressed with the run time on the battery that came with my x2.
Can anyone confirm if this would be a suitable replacement?
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=290996988596
How are you guys building your own batteries with the individual cells?
The easiest way is to buy some battery holders off ebay, along with some 2.1/5.5mm power leads and solder a lead onto the wire from the pack. Pop in some protected 18650 cells and wrap it in heatshrink sleeving.
For bigger packs with more than 2 cells it's better to use unprotected cells and a separate protection circuit for the whole battery, which involves a bit more work.
I'm using an Imax RC battery charger for mine, but you can just use the charger that came with the light.
acidchunks - that should be a good battery, and it's a good price for that capacity.
Cheers 😀
I have ordered just the light head from lighmalls and I have a fluxient battery pack already so I'm happy 🙂
Turbo1397...
Ebay linky for £13 lamp only:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solarstorm-CREE-XM-L-XML-2-U2-LED-X2-2000Lm-Bicycle-Light-Bike-Light-Only-/261291459846?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd62f4506
From speaking to Torchy again today (picked up a new charger from him given my SolarStorm one gets burny hot) He reckons the x2 is good light with a crap stock battery. I think the quote was "It looks like they put all the money in the light itself". So there you have it. I know he now has an x2 and an x3, so I guess his blog may be updated, and the much discussed actual lumens output debate will be laid to rest! 🙂
p8ddy Patrick how did you get in touch with Torchy have left messages via ebay and no reply I too have bought the light but want to purchase a charger and better battery
fudge9202...
I used the following number: 01413165383
He said he's been snowed under with eBay stuff so is working thru the backlog, but that number will let you get a hold of him. That and the mess up with numbers on ebay meaning that someone else is getting phone calls meant for him.
You'll basically be replicating the setup I have - x2 headlight and torchy battery pack/battery charger.
Give him a call and he'll sort you out. 🙂
Sorry if its been asked but will my magic shine 872 battery work and plug straight in on the solar storm ?
Sorry if its been asked but will my magic shine 872 battery work and plug straight in on the solar storm ?
Mine does, you just can't screw it on.
How much longer would the fluxient ebay battery last for?
Danbo....
My stock x2 light battery was advertised as 6400mah, and I got +4 hours on mid setting. The positives from a better quality battery are more in the not setting your house on fire and having a battery that doesn't die after two weeks departments.
The fluxient battery will be safe and reliable.
Fluxient battery - are we talking about this one?
The voltage is 7.4v rather than 8.4v but I'm too thick to know what that means.
Grum...
The battery pack I'm now using with the solarstorm is a 7.4v 4400mah fluxing battery and works without issue. But I'm also too thick to know what the difference entails. 😀
That said, the solar storm battery box that takes 4x18650 batteries is also running 7.4v.
I have no idea how it all resolves though.
I already have a mtbbatteries lumenator, does anyone know if the battery pack would work with the. Solar storm if I were to buy just the unit on its own?
Got my x2 from lightmalls yesterday.. arrived in a small, plain cardboard box. Looks ok but quality not as good as my basic light bought a couple of years ago from mtbbatteries.. Head unit looks ok but a bit low-rent. It does kick out a hell of a lot of light going by my back garden nighttime test. Don't have a meter to check the battery charger's performance but for the money its not bad at all. Suppose I can use my old battery and charger if needed or get new ones from mtbbatteries!
This might clarify this issue about the different quoted voltages for the 4x18650 battery packs:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/confusion_with_voltages
I spoke to Torchy today and this is the battery that he recommended
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluxient-6600mAh-7-4v-battery-with-pouch-compatible-with-Magicshine-Xeccon-etc-/290996988596?pt=UK_SportGoods_CyclAcces_RL&hash=item43c0c5aab4
I would say Smudge of MTB Batteries will have something compatible also.
Perhaps he will post a link to a compatible one.
[i]Looks like the UK charger supplied by Dongx2011 is junk[/i]
I bought from the same seller and I've not had any issues with the UK charger, so far.
The 'free' rear light is great.
As althepal[u. Mine arrived yesterday from Lightmalls.
What would be a suitable charger for the battery recommended above?
Don't forget the X2 uses a slightly different connector (screw thread outer, and a little o ring for weatherproofing) Should work with a different battery pack but no longer waterproof.
Out of interest... have you had to pay import duty on the lights direct from china, or does £13 get it to your door? ps how does something like this compare to a Glowworm x2 version 3, interms of light output and spread etc? if anyone has one to compare (withstanding the obvious price difference)
cheers.
7.4v is correct for the battery packs - 2 x 3.7 cells in series, then usually paralleled with other pairs for capacity.
The charger will be listed as 8.4v as (I'm remembering badly here ..) it needs a little push over the rated PD on the cells to charge them properly.
Another warning re: chargers. Mine actually caught fire (mildly, lots of smoke rather than flames). I'd always been careful of the cells, but this is a danger you should be aware of if buying direct.
Don't forget the X2 uses a slightly different connector (screw thread outer, and a little o ring for weatherproofing) Should work with a different battery pack but no longer waterproof.
Works just fine with 'old' XML battery packs, MagicShine etc. - but needs an extra hard push. Found this out when I didn't, and my road bike ride was punctuated by complete darkness as the lead fell out! Once properly inserted it was fine, and as weatherproof as it ever was (not very without the screw thread).
interesting stuff - looking at these as apossible replacement for my magic shine when it goes pop
Fudge9202...
The torchy recommended battery you've posted will be a monster. Doing a runtime test on the battery I picked up from him Saturday. I'm at 4 1/2 hours on medium so far. One light on he battery indicator, but still going. And torchy's charger stays reassuringly cool to the touch. 🙂 My battery is a 4400mah one.
I'll post an update on battery life from the torchy 18650 batteries in the solar storm battery box in due course.
Jakehog450....
On ordering stuff from china I've never been stung for import duty. You should be fine. 🙂
Dan2406...
Give Torchy a call and he'll sort you out with a suitable charger.
Given there's now 2 of us on this thread with dangerous chargers I wouldn't take the risk of using the stock one. One fire and one too hot to touch (I'm convinced mine would have caught fire given it was burning to the touch after < 5 minutes)
The light is great the battery and charger less so.
It's a pity actually that Torchy or one of the other reputable battery folk don't sell a "safe" x2 setup.
Oh!! While I remember!
When picking stuff up from Torchy he showed me an x2/x3 style light with FIVE lenses/LEDs. On full power it's brighter than the sun, seriously, it's silly bright, but I imagine it'll need a suitcase sized battery for anything more than 5 minutes at full blast. 😀
Just bought one of them torchy recommended batteries fudge posted for the x2 light I have, forgot that I'll need a different charger 😕
Does torchy do chargers for them batteries or will my x2 charger charge it? Cheers
Think your X2 charger should work (if it doesn't blow up 🙂 ). You might have to shove the connector in a bit more than usual.
Finally had an email from Lightmalls saying my X2 has been sent back to them after never managing to get through customs for some reason. Ordered 9th September!
shaggmiester...
As Grum has said, your stock charger will work with the battery.
If your charger goes to boot hill, Torchy should be able to sort you out with a charger.
Early morning thought...
In the interests of saiting the STW hive mind, I'm considering NOT returning my faulty charger/battery, but instead opening it up so STWers can look and see if the construction looks shady.
What say you guys?
Grum - what did they advise you to do? Are they going to send it out again? I recently ordered a light from Lightmalls - I wonder if I'll get it? The problem seems to be the battery packs!
Mine didn't have a battery pack with it, it was just the head unit. I've asked them to cancel - in the meantime I ordered another one from ebay and it arrived within a couple of weeks.
I may just have been unlucky as I think some people who ordered after me have got theirs. I googled after ordering and found some bad stuff about Lightmalls though - some of the stuff they sell seems to be fake versions of the already cheapo chinese lights!
The LCC purposed some resigns to lorry to make them more city (not just cyclist pedatrian scooter and other cars users) friendly.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21875593 ]click here[/url]
Seems like a good new just start introducing charges to lorries that dont match that spec.
Just ordered the Solarstorm head unit £13
Battery from Torchy 34.99
Charger for £9 (UK plug and CE Certified with 12 month warranty)
All in £57.00 I think that's a Bargain!
I suppose the proof will be in a few months if its still running. 😀
£13 is under the import tax threshold anyway (currently £15), so no duty or vat payable on just the light unit.
What's the beam pattern like on the x2?
Ive got a decent light for the bars, I'm looking for a cheapish helmet light with more throw
bought an X2 from ebay seller ellisblgbkoutlets
a couple of issues that someone may be able to advise me on and a question....
issues
1. The battery pack (reading above it has a lower mAh rating than stated) had the incorrect connector on it for the light, the female connector was too small for the male end, the screw cap to provide the waterproofing was too large for the female outer thread. Contacted the seller and he has sent me a very polite reply saying that this must have been a warehouse issue and he will send me another battery. Now i'm expecting a replacement pack i have carefully drilled out (no inuendo) the female connector so it fits the male however the screw cap is still a loose fit over the top.
2. When turning the light on after connecting it to the battery pack the 3 LEDs light up.
First click - low mode
Second click - mid mode
Third click - High mode and then 3 times out of 4 the light switches off
Strobe mode works if you hold down the button on either low or high settings but fails on high always.
Once the light has turned itself off the cable has to be disconnected and reconnected to reactivate the unit, until this is done nothing will turn the light back on.
Is this the same for everyone who has bought this light?
Question - if the battery does indeed have a much lower mAh rating - will putting (2 x 3.7 batteries in serial) x3 in parallel or x4 in parallel increase the life of the battery or are you just somethinging crap batteries?
I have some 2 battery holders coming that will allow me to create a long thin battery to put along a bar nice and snug.
new to the forum
Tim
Now i'm expecting a replacement pack i have carefully drilled out (no inuendo) the female connector so it fits the male however the screw cap is still a loose fit over the top.
IME this isn't the area to worry about water anyway, it's the battery pack itself. My old standard push to fit MagicShine got many soakings, but battery in a sandwich bag inside the little velcro bag saw it right.
Main thing to be careful of - it won't fall out mid descent. I had to give the old batteries a good old shove to conenct properly, but been fine ever since.
Your battery sounds faulty from the light behaviour. I get over an hour on high, though you should keep it moving to cool it - if its instant off its faulty I reckon.
Paralleling will increase run times yes. If a cell is actually faulty though you just have a larger capacity doorstop 🙂
Who is quickest for head units? A quick look at eBay comes up with nearly a month delivery.
the seller i used was £29 posted and arrived 2 days after clicking the button - came with the crap battery that i am going to doctor.
Tim who was that?
ellisblgbkoutlets
link - [url] http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Dexcel-Electronics?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 [/url]
it seems that he is now away/out of stock for a short while 🙁
It might not be a bad thing for you as it means i can sus out how decent the item he's supplied is.
Will update here soon.
T
So my light has arrived and with this package all rigged up I tested the duration on high.
Just ordered the Solarstorm head unit £13
Battery from Torchy 34.99
Charger for £9 (UK plug and CE Certified with 12 month warranty)
All in £57.00 I think that's a Bargain!
Extremely happy at a runtime on high of over 4hrs on full charge, awesome, also spread and brightness of light is great.
No complaints here!
Has nobody else noticed that they don't actually fit 31.8mm bars properly? It will go on, but the radius of the mount looks like it's for 25.4 instead. A rubber shim underneath appears to help the grip a bit, will probably file it into the correct shape though.
Once the light has turned itself off the cable has to be disconnected and reconnected to reactivate the unit, until this is done nothing will turn the light back on.Is this the same for everyone who has bought this light?
Yours is broken.
Fudge were did you get a charger for £9?
YoKaiser this one was recommended by Torchy and also rang the sellers and verified everything with them re fitting etc
THIS ONE
http://www.bikelightsuk.com/accessories/uk_mains_magicshine_charger_P580.html
So after 4hrs 50 mins the battery from Torchy finally gave up and needed to be charged, quite impressive and the light stayed bright during this time with little dipping in power.
Thats a good result. My solarstorm lasts about 50 mins now if its been charged all day!
Think I'll get myself a new battery then!
so if the magicshine charger will work does that mean that a battery from a magicshine 872 would power the solarstorm and also fit the same connecter??
Jim purely from a performance point of view I'd get the one from Torchy.
Jim yes, due to the SSX2 power connector having an extra o-ring it can nned a hard squeeze to make it fit together. You can apparently remove the o-ring to make it easier, I left it on to improve weather proofing.
Jim I've used my 872 battery on my solar storm but have found the 872 light unit better.
Well I've just connected my solarstorm battery up to me magicshine charger to see what that does.
I like the magicshine 872, but find the solarstorm a better size and weight for my helmet really. I keep bashing the 872 on branches as it seems to sit so high above the helmet.
I'll try the 872 battery next week on the solarstorm, but will prob get another battery to get them both usuable.
Jim have you compared beams out of interest?
As I've seen a 872 in the past (got nicked, so can't repeat) and there no way I'd agree with zippykona that the 872 is better than the SSX2. Yes it's good light with a nice floody beam but no penetration unlike the XML LED's in the SSX2.
I've got a hope vision 4, 872 and just bought a SSX2 for my head.
The hope was brilliant, the batteries are amazing, still going strong 2 years later, the light itself is just lacking on overall light compared to the newer lights available now.
Magicshine is great too, battery not as good as the hope but not far off in terms of endurance. Good powerful light, much brighter than the hope.
Solarstorm, light wise is amazing, easily the most powerful/brightest of the 3, but the battery is terrible. But then it was the cheapest out of all 3.
I've been using the hope on my bars and the SS on my helmet and its been a great combination
The hope gives a good spread of light aimed close (3-4 bike lengths) and the SS I have on my head pointed out further on full power, works really well as has good power
See I think zippyk's got a duff SSX2 (head) unit or a very poor one, going from his comments. Yeah my SSX2 battery was duff too, but a replacement was cheap (battery box and using old 18650's I already own), so I've lost no sleep over it
ha ha.. ohms law innit? 🙄
Quick update on this light.
The light is very floody and it's like bringing the sun for a ride, which has already been said. I bought the light without a battery due to all the issues so I decides to use the battery I had for my Fluxient u2 and this gave me over 3 hours of medium and high riding and I still had 1 bar left.
If anyone can get these fluxing batteries then I'd recommend them as they definitely give you enough range.
Just got one of these from lightmalls and my m8 got one from eBay. His has glow in the dark rings in the front lens and mine doesn't. Is one of them not genuine?
Mine doesn't have glow in the dark rings either.
been using this regularly over the last 10 days and with the battery from torchy I am consistently getting 3.5-4hrs on high. it seems that the light is good quality made much better with the use of a quality battery and to overcome the charger problem of explosion a new UK one can be purchased for under a tenner
What are these like in comparison to Solarstorm and Fluxient battery upgrade. Torchy-Oriole-2x-XM-L-T6
So are the ones without GITD rings copies of an already cheap light? Or ones that have been assigned to the "not passed" bin then sold on? Curious. I have one in the post so interested to see which one I get!
So are the ones without GITD rings copies of an already cheap light?
No, I've followed the MTBR thread about these (well before any STW post) and got a SSX2 about two months or so ago... no glow in the dark ring or mentioned in the 1st 10 pages on MTBR. The GITD ring is a new feature of the lights, I have it on my old XML unit from Smudge, it doesn't make the light any more likely to be better or worse...