[Closed] So when did road cycling get so dirty?

Bradley Wiggins?

About 1903

Something like the TdF is a massive feat of endurance, i believe there is a quote from an old rider that goes something like this: they think we ride up the mountains on water?

Two things went wrong with pro cycling, firstly the distances covered....madness, people were always going to look for an edge in such a gruelling sport....and secondly money but that applies to all sports, when there is a good living at stake people will cheat for the spoils.

Cadel Evans, Bradley Wiggins, Carlos Sastre, Greg Lemond (oh, he had his business destroyed by lala as well)

It's not just cycling, the whole of sport has a massive problem. It's just that most sporting bodies still have the same attitude that the UCI had 20 years ago.

I thought this was going to be about all the muck, grime, grit and flooded roads that afflicts my drivetrain and clothes at this time of year, perhaps with an interesting argument about the pros and cons of going fixed until the rain stops.

Instead it's yet another terminally dull thread about doping, rehashing the same tired old arguments.

MSP - Member
It's not just cycling, the whole of [s]sport[/s] society has a massive problem

So all those who castigate a sportperson for winning under the influence would come down just as hard on an artist who uses a bit of chemical creativity, a business person who needs a little help or joe bloggs who needs a swift one before that big moment ?

The majority of you are all dopers, just that some are dopers [i]and[/i] losers......

The majority of you are all dopers

Explain? Don't understand...maybe it's the antibiotics I'm taking...

So all those who castigate a sportperson for winning under the influence would come down just as hard on an artist who uses a bit of chemical creativity, a business person who needs a little help or joe bloggs who needs a swift one before that big moment ?

Wow, what have you bean injecting the straw man with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
http://thesportdigest.com/2012/06/doping-part-of-professional-cyclings-culture/
http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002366
So around 1886 (recorded) for cycling and probably before 776BC for sports in general

Say if you could earn 100k a year and gain public adulation by taking something secretly on the side.

Would you do it?

I thought this was going to be about all the muck, grime, grit and flooded roads that afflicts my drivetrain and clothes at this time of year, perhaps with an interesting argument about the pros and cons of going fixed until the rain stops.

Instead it's yet another terminally dull thread about doping, rehashing the same tired old arguments.

+1

Bored now.

So all those who castigate a sportperson for winning under the influence would come down just as hard on an artist who uses a bit of chemical creativity, a business person who needs a little help or joe bloggs who needs a swift one before that big moment ?

The majority of you are all dopers, just that some are dopers and losers......

Are you saying you think it's ok to dope then?

I'm with kryton57 & oldnpastit.

Bored. Of. This. Tosh.

 

mrlebowski - Member
Are you saying you think it's ok to dope then?

Dope away, it's only sport - the punters'n'sponsors come to see a show, not a "mr nice" contest.......

MSP - Member
Wow, what have you bean injecting the straw man with?

pure undiluted bullshine, the fuel of internet champions worldwide....

oldnpastit - Member

I thought this was going to be about all the muck, grime, grit and flooded roads that afflicts my drivetrain and clothes at this time of year, perhaps with an interesting argument about the pros and cons of going fixed until the rain stops.

+2, it's horrible out there at the moment. This week a simple road bike takes twice as long to clean as a dripping in mud multi-llinkaged mountain bike. 🙁

The TdF was completely clean until at least the 50's. Everyone was doping, but it was allowed, so no crime there. Then there is a long hazy period of mostly ignoring it bleeding into criminalising it but with a sort of <nudge wink> "no, really, we're serious, heheheh" attitude that gradually hardened. Not sure at what point doping being "banned" became actually really really banned though.

I think the watershed moment was when an American turned out to be the best at it. 😉

Dope away, it's only sport - the punters'n'sponsors come to see a show, not a "mr nice" contest.......

Nice moral compass you have there - do you use it to guide your children with?

mrlebowski - Member
Nice moral compass you have there - do you use it to guide your children with?

take a guess.............

I thought this was a mountain biking forum? Why,oh why, is there yet another thread about road racing drug cheats?

I cant be arsed to guess.

Youre either a pathetic troll or an idiot.

Regardless of which it is, Im no longer interested in this conservation.

Ciao!

mrlebowski - Member
Regardless of which it is, Im no longer interested in this conservation

gutted mate, truly gutted 😆

It's always been part of our sport since it's the first in 1903. Just maybe 2012 saw the first clean winner ever. Now that's something to celebrate 😀

I thought this was going to be about all the muck, grime, grit and flooded roads that afflicts my drivetrain and clothes at this time of year, perhaps with an interesting argument about the pros and cons of going fixed until the rain stops.

Instead it's yet another terminally dull thread about doping, rehashing the same tired old arguments.

+3 I'm having to clean the road bike very evening after my commute!

I'm having to clean the road bike very evening after my commute!

It's a pain isn't it, I commute off road and have to clean it once a year when I need to change the oil in the hub.

i thought this was going to be about all the muck, grime, grit and flooded roads that afflicts my drivetrain and clothes at this time of year, perhaps with an interesting argument about the pros and cons of going fixed until the rain stops.

Instead it's yet another terminally dull thread about doping, rehashing the same tired old arguments.

+4 i don't even care if someone on our local rides dopes, as long as they get a round in after.

i bought my road bike recently (have wanted a road bike for a loong time) thinking that i wouldn't have to clean it very much.

WRONG!

have cleaned it 5-6 times in it's first 7 rides 😮

Cadel Evans, Bradley Wiggins,

Funny

Instead it's yet another terminally dull thread about doping, rehashing the same tired old arguments.

Really?

I find it all quite compelling, fascinating sometimes.

would come down just as hard on an artist who uses a bit of chemical creativity

Its a poor comparison - the point of sport is a level playing field - all the players on the pitch, all the horses on the track, all the fishers around the pond are playing with the same handicap. Fairness is the point of sport - the rules are what make it a sport rather than just gooning about.

Theres nothing fair about making art, music, film or whatever - there aren't any art-association rules that dictate what size of brush is valid for a given painting, or how long you are allowed to think about something before you write a poem about it, or whether I'm good at acting being sad or secretly arranging the abduction and torture of my own children so I can cry real tears in my oscar winning performance . So theres no unfair advantage. You can't cheat, other than in instances of forgery, impersonation and deception. (That would be the equivalent of wiggo winning the TDF then me locking him in a cupboard, sticking some fake sideburns on and accepting the trophy. - actually if I shed a few pounds I could pull that off)

For s bit of insight (well nearly 3 hours worth) into the world of (mainly athletics) doping the [url=

Rogan Experience podcast #277 has Victor Conte[/url] ie Mr [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Laboratory_Co-operative ]Balco on it[/url], audio is available on itunes. Interesting but I now believe almost everybody in competitive sports is prolly hopped up on something.

there aren't any art-association rules that dictate what size of brush is valid for a given painting, or how long you are allowed to think about something before you write a poem about it,

^ I like that ^

I'm not sure if it still runs but there used to be a landscape painting competition in Fife - you'd turn up at a set time with your brushes - be given a theme then run off in the the countryside and paint and have to be back before a deadline to have the results judged. Which sort of makes a bollocks of my point above 🙂

So when did road cycling get so dirty?

I'm guessing somewhere around the dawn of time?

loving some of the responses on here - I only asked the question as now if lance has come clean (haven't checked the latest news) & his era was done with doping, I was genuinely wandering who else of the greats doped, or when it became acceptable - I don't have a huge knowledge of road cycling but am curious where it began.

If you don't like a thread don't click on it - it's the same a the peeps who post on a football thread with the usual 'oh is this about wendyball bunch of pansies they are'

There was an article on the Eurosport website covering the Lance years and they ere having to go down to 13th place to find riders that hadn't been banned or implicated in doping! Think it worked out that Daniel Nardello would have been a three time Tour winner.