[Closed] so just weighed my new hi spec build and was erm well...dissapointed

It's all that extra cable you have going on out front...

🙂

you cant see all the spec here so

frame obvioulsy st4
brakes xo trail carbon
cb cobalt wheels
answer pro taper carbon bars
x fusion hi lo
dmr vault
xo shifters and type 2 mech
henge saddle
nevegals

work in progress = on off stem and slx chainset both which i will swap out at somepoint but cant see them making a lot of difference weight wise.

as i said im not a weight weenie but i thought this would come out sub 25lb

What tyres are they. If your worried about the weight you could always run a normal seat post 🙂

Frame weight is around 7lbs... I think you are expecting a little too much!

Could probably save a fair bit of weight on those pedals if you went SPD

ahh teasel what you cant see from the picture is those bars are a metre wide and the cable is needed ( either that or im a lazy sod and havnt bothered to shorten the cables yet) 😆

It's short travel but the frames built to be ridden hard. Marin did the same thing with the new rift zone a couple of years ago but just like Orange discovered that most bikes are bought based on statistics rather than the experience of riding them.

Won't save much on the slx chainset, the hi-lo dropper is heavy is it not.

Does it come in that colour as standard as I quite like that!

cheers shindiggy im not worried about the weight just expected it to be a chunk lighter with the spec and when i picked up the frame it felt mega light.

wheels and tyres arent light, seatpost aint light as well

i actually bought the frame of here second hand but had just had new bearings and a respray at orange, have to say wasnt sure on colour but love it now. to answer the question i think its a custom colour.

Your dropper weighs over 1lb. Your Nevegals, what do they weigh?

If you want to drop some weight, ditch the dropper post, stick a carbon stem on, ditch the tyres for Bontrager XR4 tubeless - I'm willing to guess that would get you down to 25lbs.

I've just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The [s]weight[/s] wait is killing me....

yep i know the seatpost weighs a chunk, was pretty sure the wheels came in pretty light though

Hilo seatpost will add 0.5lb easily over a light alloy or carbon one.

Lock on grips will be ~100g so you could save 50g plus by switching to foam grips.

How heavy are dmr vault pedals?

As per conan257, ST4 frames aren't light compared to other 100mm frames. Eg. Scott Spark, Giant Anthem, SC Superlight etc.

Don't forget, manufacturer's quote bike weights without pedals, if you're comparing....

looking at your build you've speced high end bits on the parts that dont save much weight...

ie: high end brakes, bars, stems dont save much weight - combined will save less than a pound over cheaper parts.

The dropper post will add almost 3/4lb over a simalar priced standard post.

Weigh it with the pedals off and you'll also instantly save a pound - just like the manufactures....

lol at fizzicist

I've just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The weight wait is killing me....

what is it

ST4's aren't exactly lightweight are they I seem to remember?
Dropper seatpost will add a fair bit. Heavy pedals and cranks.
Seems a mish mash of heavy/light parts. Big flat pedals and dropper posts don't really go hand in hand with weight weenie builds.
27lb seems pretty reasonable to me.

[i]as i said im not a weight weenie but i thought this would come out sub 25lb [/i]

You should've done like most on STW, and just posted a picture and said it weighed 'about'.

You'd be hard pressed to get a FS at sub 25lb, and then only a short-travel carbon one.

You now need to sweat the detail; Ti bolts, cut the cables/hoses down, single bolt lock-ons etc

pedals and post, granted

rather than me saying my bike is heavy i should have really asked what do other people short travel bikes weigh in comparison.

im used to heaving heavier bikes around but i just expected this to come together much lighter than it has even with peddles and post

paulo6624 - Member
lol at fizzicist

I've just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The weight wait is killing me....
what is it

Cube Reaction GTC SL 29er. Should be a bit different from the 575...

nice, have to say 575 is my all time most wanted bike but for some reason ive never owned one but i always drool over them

Sub 25lbs (by a matter of grams) on this 140mm travel Mojo SL with the reverb post, well under 24lbs with a standard post, 5.5lbs carbon frame with full xtr and mavic slr wheelset though so quite pricey.

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Yours is a very decent weight for an orange though?, as long as it rides well then you'll never really notice an extra lb or two, nice colour as well.

Cassette?

wow soma that is thing of beauty, not often i see a bike that i think i would own that and change nothing about it.

does it ride as nice as it looks?

i bet it does

My 575 is a smudge over 28lbs but I'm quite happy considering its the alloy one and I haven't got anything mega-light or really expensive on it. The Roval wheels seem a lot lighter than my mates' hope hoops though!
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Lost the rear mud guard now..
Edit- 28.2 Ibs btw..

cassette = xo so possibly a few grams going xx

nice al, the rovals are excellent you have just reminded me i have a brand new set in the shed i need to move on 142+ rear though grr

If you wanted a light bike you shouldn't have bought an Orange.
Ride it, enjoy it. Don't put it on scales, you will always be disappointed 🙂

Most bike weights are either a) inaccurate or b) lies. You could take a couple of lbs out of that without massive effort, by fitting xc-light tyres and wheels and binning the dropper, etc but then it won't do the job as well. Basically that frame's never going to be the right start for a very light build, so once you accept that, it makes sense to make sure everything else is durable to complement its capabilities, rather than light to try and make it light, and undermine the whole thing.

Nevegals aren't super-light but they're light for the job they do, pretty good choice IMO. Considered 1x10?

paulo6624 - Member
im not worried about the weight......

Yeah yeah..... 😉

paulo6224, like others have said once a bike is rolling on the trail the weight (within a lb or two anyway) is rather immaterial to perception of how it rides - your orange just looks "right" the way it is.

And the Mojo ain't mine - on bike shop/mechanic wages i couldn't afford this, we just finished it today for a customer - i only took it for a ride up n' down the street to check the gear indexing, it does wheelie like nothing else though as do all mojo's for some reason, the DW/lopes linkage is so smooth in action that you can practically trackstand on the rear wheel.

We've built quite a few custom mojo's recently, see [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/serious-bike-envy ]this thread[/url] for a few more

It's pretty much my dream, do it all bike now- after years of careful part shopping, selling other bikes and bits, saving up etc..
Now, a full carbon one would be nice.. as would xtr, or how about an sb66 now we're on the subject of carbon?
Anyways, its a great bike, has handled everything I've given it, and whenever anyone lifts it up they comment on how light it is, so I'm happy with it.
Honest..

As always, the devil is in the detail if you want a light bike.

My SB66C is bang on 27lbs on the nose, with a Reverb & Fox 36, but it's an 'all in' build. I can't really save any more weight without running silly tyres.

I reckon you could get that close to 25lbs, but it will cost you probably the same again to save that little bit of weight, so probably not worth it.

[i]My SB66C is bang on 27lbs on the nose, with a Reverb & Fox 36, but it's an 'all in' build. I can't really save any more weight without running silly tyres.[/i]

We'd need to see a picture on scales to believe that.

If you're starting with a 7lb frame then you've done pretty well to get down to a 27lb build.
My S-Works Enduro carbon frame weighs 5.5lb and the full bike comes in at about 27.5lb, although its running 2.3" tyres and reliable rather than lightweight components.
Anything around 27-28lbs is a pretty good weight for a full suss, unless you're willing to throw silly money at it.

We'd need to see a picture on scales to believe that.

Damn Marsh Guard has added some timber...

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That's not bad! FWIW, the frame weighs the same as my Marin Quad 140, which only ever got down to 29.9lb in it's absolute lightest guise.

I've a Spesh Camber, with Revelations, XT cranks/mechs/shifters and Hope Pro 11 on 719s running tubeless, which tips the scales at about 28lbs - that's without a dropper post and running Spesh S-Works tyres. You've done pretty well there.

I do love the colour too.

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You'll save about 50g switching from SLX to XT cranks...really not worth the hassle. I'd stick with it or swap out the dropper post for bragging rights.

I'm a known weightweenie, titanium bolts and suchlike but the real skill isn't in light weight, it's in light but fit for purpose... My Hemlock's gradually getting heavier again, once I was pleased to have it sub-30lbs despite coil Lyriks, now it's up over 32lbs somewhere, with sturdier wheels, a bit more tyre, a longer drop seatpost and such. Just makes it that much more dependable. But it's still weightweenied, because I've taken it as light as I can without making changes I don't want to make.

Northwind is right. My Marin Quad 140 has been lighter - as per my last post - and it felt pretty good on the flat singletrack, but it certainly didn't feel as stiff as it does now with 160mm forks, Mallet pedals and a chain device. Its now about 33lbs and feels absolutely rock solid in comparison, I can lean on it harder and bits don't break.

back in 1990 my rigid, xt with thumbshifters and 21 gears, clockwork was a colossal 32lbs..

Are you running tubes? If so, go tubeless!

When you start with a 7 lb frame, hitting 25 lbs can be real pricey. And the dropper adds weight, but is worth it IME.

Is the slx chainset 10 speed?

If so I may be interested if you decide to sell it!

my Anthem weighs 25.5 pounds, it doesn't have a dropper and runs tubeless with silly light tyres. I reckon Sub 25 for that orange is very ambitious.

Also what scales are you using? i've got the same scales as that yeti is getting weighed on in the pic above, and they are quite frankly hopeless. I've had it showing as low as 24.5lb before. You need to weigh it lots and take an average, unless you have scales you didn't buy from Maplin for a tenner.

so just weighed my new hi spec build and was erm well...dissapointed

That's about the same as my (quite old now) Intense Spider with carbon post and bars. Mine comes out at 27.5LB.
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And you've got a dropper post on it which must weigh a little more than a normal post.
Pretty good i'd say.

Of course you could spend silly money on spangly bits to lose a pound or two....

My Flux frame was 6lbs and I got a 25lb build with Hope Pro3XC6 wheels but not with a dropper post, and with Maxxis Ignitor LUSTs, so I think you are doing OK.

As has been said the ST4 isnt what youd call a light frame given its a short travel FS XC. I think a SC Superlight is at least 1lb lighter & cheaper..

are you sure you've taken the files out of it? 😉

(someone was going to say that, might as well be me!)

27lbs for a full suss sounds pretty decent to me.

That's a pretty good weight for a frame that heavy, you should be pleased.

OP you did well getting it down to that weight.
Mine was 29lb I think.

Well the bathroom scales suggest 26lbs for my C456 and 30.8 for my spicy 516

So 27 is pretty damn good!

Bin the scales, increase happiness. 🙂

27.2lbs is only 'heavy' if we're talking about cats, and sandwiches.

for a mountain bike that's as ace as yours, it's respectable.

Unless you are actually racing it, then who cares if it's 25lb or 27lb? And if you are racing it, it's still probably better spending more money on training the engine than loosing a couple of lb of the bike !

so you can just,

[b]GET OUT[/b] (and ride it)!............. 😉

Tbh if my singlespeed steel hardtail project comes in around that weight imma be happy! (Though secretly I want it to be sub 25lbs)

My LT full sus, with bling kit (full XTR, Chris King, carbon finishing kit and reverb) comes in at 33lbs from a 9.5lb frame and it's a hoot to ride on xc type trails despite being heavier than most xc bikes!

Weight is just a number. It's just nice to have a low one.

TBF that's a pretty good weight considering the bells and whistles its got fitted. A nice balance of function, cost and mass IMO.

Thinking about it a bike with front/rear bounce, dropper post, full range of gears, built for harder use and weighing under 30lbs would have sounded like a work of fiction only a few years ago, so I'd not be disappointed if I were you. Bringing it under 25lbs would either mean a big spend or some functional/durability type compromises.

Nice bike OP, enjoy it...

You're disappointed? I just weighed my Yelli Screamy and its 29.5lbs. It's a good spec and still awaiting a dropper. I reckon they filled the frame with lead.

Just had a weight weenie moment myself comparing wheel weights: front - slx hub, dt 480 rims, rubber queen is to within 30g the same as pro2 hub, dt 5.1 rims, hans dampf. The rear however - slx hub, dt 480 rims, rubber queen nearly 500g heavier than pro2 hub, dt 5.1 rims, hans dampf.

More than a pound, go figure (cassette is half responsible)!

TBF that's a pretty good weight considering the bells and whistles its got fitted. A nice balance of function, cost and mass IMO.

Agreed.

A modern carbon FS with XT, reverb and 32mm forks would come to about the same.

I have an anthem x with carbon crown 120mm futureshocks, crests on pro3's, xt groupset and carbon bars/seat post. Is a shade under 25lbs with light tyres run tubeless.

Built up from secondhand and reduced bits so didn't cost crazy money.

It can take a fair bit of abuse but I'm sub 10 stone, I think a heavier person could break it, those wheels in particular...

OP, my steel rigid single-speed weighs about 27lbs. ish. Not weighed it, just a guess.

Feel any better now? : )

I think if your bike is specced up with kit that's chosen for the right reason, the total weight isn't worth worrying about unless you're a national class XC whippet.

paulo6624 - Member

27.2 lb isnt this a little heavy for a short travel full susser?

Yes I've mine down at a tad under 24 pounds or 10.8 Kilos. Mind 120 mm travel frame and forks is only 8 pounds.

I think I've been a little naive having never owned a short travel bike since my first rockhopper.
All the bikes I have owned since were 140 150 travel bikes which I had convinced myself (never weighed) were about 30lb in reality were probably a chunk more.
I have just taken it out skiing around cannock and I have to say im mightily impressed and it does feel both sprightly and capable.
I do appologise if it sounded at anypoint like i was whinging about its weight, I wasnt. I just imagined it would be lighter, that being said it does sound like a good weight from what you guys are saying.

In my mind it's a lot easier to lose a couple of pounds of body weight than stress over the weight of your bike.

How does it ride?

And we all thought 27.2 was a common seatpost size!

Seriously....an Orange...under 30lbs....that's good, ain't it?

Ti HT running XTR (inc cassette), Hope Pro2 Evo SP, tubeless, carbon post/bars, I-Beam seat and lots of Ti bolts etc but pedals/crudcatcher/muddynutz and 140mm fork = 25lbs, 20" frame though.

Which is why I reckon any FS getting below 28lbs is a good/expensive effort - but needs a picture. 🙂

Scales seem ok, weighing riding buddies steel HT's at 30lbs.

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I second maxtorque, ride the damn thing.
Have you weighed yourself? Have you weighed your riding kit? How much liquid do you take on a ride? Do you take extra tubes etc?
I weigh 16.5 stone on a good day, my pack is heavy and my bike either weighs 30ish or 40ish pounds depending which I'm on. When I commuted to work my bike weighed 25 and my bags weighed 28lbs.
Does it all matter unless you're competing at the highest level?

My "race HT" is now 9.9kg, and i was very pleased to get it down to that (it ain't a carbon frame). Then one day i weighed the SPD shoes which i wear to ride it, drat! They are the best part of a kg on their own, but i don't even think of their weight, i just stick 'em on my feet and pedal. So definately don't get too hung up on mass!

I'd like any one of my MTBs to be under 30lb. FS is around 33lb.

All XL frames, with Gravity Dropper and built a bit more on the strong side as I'd sooner carry a bit of weight than keep replacing broken stuff.

I too think that you have done well getting it down to that weight.

I'd love to have a ride on a proper lightweight bike just to compare.

Ive now decided to put her up for sale and hedge my bets going to get a silly light ss rigid and a meta 5 I think to cover all my riding bases.

Thanks everyone for all the input on this thread

Or a Speccy Camber? 😉

Quite possibly, basically it will be a two bike show from now on always fancied a camber with a 140 fork on.

What about those Eclipse tubes for £40..... Mind you, they're controversial!