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CH up there adopting the position you use when out riding with weaker riders to give them the most shelter possible behind you 😆


 
Posted : 17/07/2017 12:14 pm
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Yes alright alright 😆

Lucky escape JD!! Glad you're mostly ok!!

It's why Naths tactics are actually pretty shrewd. Get fit enough to not need the bunch 😉


 
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Right now I hate cycling!!!

I press fitted BB30 bearings into my frame, based off the sites Q&A. Only the chainset doesn't fit all the way through. Measured the BB and it's an EVO386 shell (46mm x 86.5mm).

So now I've had to buy a proper BB30 extractor chisel, a big ass hammer (because I stupidly used loctite thinking it was it for life), PF30 BB & pressfit 386EVO to shimano adapters. ALL they needed to do was quote the right bloody BB in the first place - [url= https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/miche-evo-max-bottom-bracket/ ]for £17[/url] Instead of the £90 it's actually cost me ^^^


 
Posted : 17/07/2017 1:48 pm
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The pit falls of self builds I guess.

I shall not be in a rush to do it again 😉

The link for TiRed and Southern Yeti-
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Posted : 17/07/2017 2:57 pm
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TiRed, your brakes QRs are open?!


 
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It was definitely wetter than those pictures look!


 
Posted : 17/07/2017 3:36 pm
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A LOT wetter! I'm running the 23 mm Carbon clinchers on a bike normally set up with 19 mm Mavic CX33's. So the quickest way to adjust brakes is to open them. That was singularly the wettest race I have ever ridden. Might do it again tomorrow, and then vets on Wednesday.

Race bike will be back soon, but owing to an own car, rear wheel interaction (don't ask), I may be racing the TT wheels this week!!!

JD heal fast, a week off at this time of the season will see no loss of fitness. And I've been the guy who headbutts the tarmac. It's not great.


 
Posted : 17/07/2017 5:59 pm
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Considering I don't have the best flexibility in my hips, I'm wondering if anything jumps out fit/geometry wise to help me reach a better aero position?

I kind of feel like I need a bigger frame!?!

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Nothing jumping out in terms of fit, just looks to me like you have mahoosive arms with no elbow joints. 😆

Joking aside, look at the rider beside you in the photo above, slight bend in the elbow, makes a significant difference.
Same thing in the photo further up the page, two riders behind have a nice bend in the elbow.

Doesn't come naturally at all to some people, but well worth concentrating on, as i'll bet you are costing yourself 20+W @ 25mph.

Good time to work on it is during interval sessions, then it sort of becomes natural that when you are going hard you instinctively get aero too.


 
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There is scant evidence to prove it I know, but I have gotten better at relaxing my shoulders and bending my elbows. In fact, I notice I actually put out slightly more Watts too when I use that position too- even indoors.

I guess it's just the first thing that slips when I'm tired. The rain didn't help mind you 😀


 
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How are the hoods positioned on your bars? Are they flat to the ground? That may be what is twisting your wrist 'forward' and locking out your elbows. See the guy next to you has his wrists at an angle such that his elbows bend.


 
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whats the codes for what the sessions are nathb? and where is it from?


 
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Originally, the levers were installed flush to a ruler held along the flat bottom of the drops and then angled so they were upright. The only thing I've changed is to shorten the reach which has brought the levers in slightly from the vertical.

I may have a fiddle with the Allen key...


 
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Also, I'm wondering about your weight distribution on the bike. If you ride along at an easy pace, can you take your hands off the bars without altering the position of your torso? I'm wondering if you lock-out trying to support your weight on your hands?


 
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Not easily no. I have to push myself backwards to take both hands off of the bars.


 
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JD, sounds messy, heal up!
NathB has inspired me to sign back ylup to trainerroad for an FTP test. Just trying to work out when it would fit in....!!


 
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Made a few changes. Let's see what tomorrow brings.
My schedule is different this week so have a tough mornings work beforehand.
If it's dry, it'll likely be faster so probably won't get the chance to do much other than hang and try and move up for the sprint.
Still, maintaining a better position is a good enough goal to be going on with.


 
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dirtyrider -
whats the codes for what the sessions are nathb? and where is it from?

Sorry ❓

CH were the same height riding the same frame - it's not the frame. Roll your bars up a little bit. You should be able to support the position with just lightly resting on your wrists. Took me a while to get this right as you saw/read ^^ lol

Commuter is finished!! 8.2kg all in, which I'm pretty happy about! Lost the small cable pin out of my 105 front mech, any idea if I can just buy one rather than the entire mech?!


 
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We're not quite the same shape though 😉

I've stuck that freebie 110mm stem on there too to see if it helps. Rotating the bars a touch definitely helped too. It's all very well having it optimised for the drops but if I'm there less then the hoods then....


 
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With JD’s Crash experience ringing in my ears, I said goodbye to the wife and that it would be so cool if I got my first point in a 3 / 4 race. To which she replied that it would be even cooler to be in a fit state for work tomorrow!

I pre-enter a few days before hand each week and I was excited about this race anyhow so I had no excuse for being ill prepared. Of course, life isn’t always as neat as I hope and the change in my work schedule for the funeral yesterday, meant having to do my heavy morning’s lifting today.

It was a hot and muggy one too and as much as I tried to speed things along so I could get a quick cheat-sleep in after dinner, I didn’t get home to do the dogs until 3:30 and had to leave at 4:00 to have time to check the Partridge chicks on the way.

So I arrived having tried my hardest to dose myself with sugar to liven me up. I didn’t even attempt the SIS Caffeine tablets this week as they stopped me sleeping until 2am last week!

I jokingly text Nath and said to bang the roof of my car when he arrived to wake me up but it was semi-serious as I drifted in and out whilst I waited to warm up.

After a last-minute tweak to the new stem, I set out with 30minutes to go to do a slow and steady warm up. The wind was pretty tough! In fact, it felt like two thirds of the course was a headwind. I pootled around day dreaming about how lively and snappy I’ve felt in races lately and what a difference tonight was!

As start time approached, I was joined by Johnny and Pete (from Cowley Condors) and we started wishfully discussing breakaways. Which in hindsight is literally laugh out loud!

I’ve felt pretty at ease and even arrogant in the last few races but I felt completely alien at this point. Awkward, detached and nervous. There were a lot of guys! As I rolled down the start straight, they were already lining up and I initially just joined the back. But whilst the Comm was doing his thing, I thought better of it and leap frogged around a few. I reckon there were close to 60 starters

We set off and the pace at the front felt instantly high. Interestingly, it was almost all down to RPE and my mindset as actually, the power was pretty tame at 230w average and 257w weighted.

And there developed the pattern for the first half of the race. I would see the group ahead slowing, ease off to avoid braking at which point several guys from behind would accelerate into the tiny gap, then have to brake. Meanwhile, I would come back past with loads more momentum and we’d soon be back in the order we started in.
My legs were doing as they asked but certainly not egging me on or coming up with any bright ideas. I felt firmly stuck where I was.
Where I was, kind of rotated around the rear third of the bunch. Pete was doing the same in the middle and Johnny was doing the same at the front. It’s like there were three races going on behind each other.

A few breaks went off the front but half a lap of full gas from the main teams would soon shut things down. I loved these moments as whilst I was even further from the front, it at least kept the numpties in check.

Anyway, apart from feeling rubbish, nothing really happened until 32minutes when panic overtook me and I realised I had driven all this way, wasted fuel and entry fee for a pretty hairy procession.

So as we came down the hill, I accelerated through the bottom corner, surfed my way past the clubhouse, switched line through an open gap and found myself in the wind on the right of the start/finish straight. Luckily, another rider had the same thought and I jumped on his wheel as we cruised to the front. The guy right on the front was wary and looked back at us and accelerated before we even reached him.

I had brought Johnny and another guy with me in my draft and they launched over the top of me at this point to try a move.
I wanted to go with, well- a tiny bit of me did, but despite having power and HR to spare, I just tried to follow wheels in the front of the bunch instead but this was another level. They were having none of it despite my best sneaky efforts.

By this time, the rear of the bunch had responded and I slowly drifted back once more to resume my rightful place as tailgunner in chief.

Trying to find a tiny positive- I at least knew I could move up if I really wanted to.

Another lap went by and I spotted some guy in a gimp mask making his way to the Start/finish line so I shouted “Nice Bike!” at him! Nath was here. Better jump-to and try and look like I’m not rubbish!

The next time around however, I noticed the 2 to go sign. That was quick! The pace ramped up and my spidey senses hit red alert. Literally every lap for the past five laps, there had been a ‘Woah, woah woah!!!’ moment. With everyone still together, I couldn’t see how things were going to improve. The extra intensity was just going to add problems.

With the front already jostling for their last lap position, it seemed un-assailable but what choice did I have but to try?
Moving up through the middle of the bunch, I realised (and I honestly thought this live during the race) that the Coggan w/kg chart kind of made sense. These guys at the back were (almost certainly) Cat 4’s which meant I had a similar ftp/kg. But I also knew I have much better short duration numbers than most of them.

So even though they could and were hanging in there- they were maxed out. So, I started to ramp up the Watts and pick them off. As I was about to tip into Brian’s, a Thames-Velo guy crashed on the outside and I virtually stopped to avoid him. Sprinting like mad, I was back on by the top of the climb and I wasn’t knackered either! (With hind sight of course, this was because it had been a relatively easy pace thus far even if it didn’t feel like it).

Through the pinch point and at least three guys went on the grass. This was carnage. Right, focus, sprint back on again.

Last lap then and the pace climbed to another level. I was a long way back still so had nothing to lose and decided to attack the climb. Everyone stayed upright and I dropped ten guys with 1200w and felt like I had made a split.
I was still probably at the rear of the second group though. Down the hill and huge gaps were appearing in this bunch, so I just rode through them making up places.
Sprinting even before the apex of the final corner, I felt strong and with lots to give. Pete was there, a little in front but I was gaining and psyching myself up to unleash.

At this point, I was fairly sure top ten was in reach- I am not for one minute suggesting I could have got there, but in my mind at least, the sprint wasn’t futile. The front group wasn’t pulling away as I expected either. The head wind seemed to be holding them back.

Right as I was about to explode, the front group did instead! Shouts, scraping bikes and tearing clothes filled the air as loads of people went down to the right.
I was so lucky! Firstly, to be in piss poor position but also to be surfing through on the line that I was. I had come off of Pete’s wheel and was heading to the left through a massive gap.
Still, experience told me I wasn’t out of the woods and sure enough bikes began bouncing my way. I was super impressed with my sub-conscious braking! With the rear wheel locked but barely touching the floor thanks to the controlled power I had jammed into the front, I lost 10mph in an instant and was able to come off the brakes soon after and steer around all the mess.

I half-heartedly sprinted again for 17th place or so but I was just glad to have missed that!

A sorry end to a slightly melancholy evening all round.

Pulling out some good news though, the lowest power I hit up the climb was 700w but most laps were close to 1000. 20x 900w hill repeats is good going I think!

Mentally, I’m not sure where the standard of riding there tonight leaves me really. I think I actually suddenly want my Cat3 !!!! I’d rather get dropped by a load of Pro’s in the E1,2,3 than wiped out by my Cat4 peers!!


 
Posted : 18/07/2017 9:05 pm
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Pollution mask 😆

The flag Marshall and I predicted that crash, the com wasn't pulling people out of the race - you had people who had been lapped twice or had punctured earlier right at the front of the pack with 2/3 laps to go... mental! It's all about the points it seems, at the cost of skin, bones and bikes.

Nice to see you, TiRed and Jonny though 🙂

Loving my new commuter too, it's so much quicker at accelerating and the steering feels like my racing bike.


 
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Nice write up and a touch of survivor's guilt after the carnage? E123 lined up for a fast one tonight, but was cancelled. Rode home with my first cat friend for the Tour hilights. Vets tomorrow.


 
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No, not guilt. More anger that people are so oblivious and helpless at having to ride next to them.
Of course accidents happen- but this was blatantly on the cards tonight.

I even came up with a new one-liner for in the bunch "Come on guys- the course hasn't changed!!!" 😆

Obviously didn't shout it loudly enough 😉


 
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Crosshair...thanks for making any write up I do look shite!
My first sunny ride at thruxton didn't happen- started raining after I had handed over my crisp £20 note!
Felt a bit drowsy in the front passenger seat, felt better soon after getting out the car and sorting bike etc.
Nice easy 15 mins warm up, with a few 10s baby sprints at the end (I think!).
First 2 laps were surprisingly slow, I mostly surfed the back third here getting a feel for corners etc etc.
By the 3rd lap I had decided "it" was on, spending a lot of time in the front 10ish.
Around this time, on a gentle right, a space opened up in the middle and the chap crosshair has mentioned previously was next to me before I fired into the space, he said where the F do you think you're going, or something like that, which fired me up for a bit! Where do you think I'm going???
I drifted back and forwards a bit and shot up the outside to the front group when I wanted. Bridged a couple of small breakaways with other front boys, quite liked that! We went from 3 laps to go to bell lap due to hail and strong wind. I was surprised it didn't come earlier.
On what was now the final lap I pushed forward on the outside on the left. In hindsight I think everyone was being cagey rather than tired as I sat on the tip of the spear for a minute or so before the kick up the hill, then boom, dropped 15+ places in a couple of seconds!
Made a couple back up through the chicane and a few more on the finish straight. I even managed a bike push to pip one more...! Hopefully a top 20 would be ace, expecting low to mid 20s though.
I think a breakaway of 2 made it away today too....


 
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That's certainly not my intention- I enjoy everyone else's write ups loads 🙂
I sometimes wish my brain didn't think so much 😆

They lull you into a false sense of progress don't they 😉 It's all about the chicane and the sprint....

Avoiding the rain was the only good thing about choosing Hillingdon I think.

Back to Thruxton next week for the earlier start time....


 
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Sorry guys, despite some concerted efforts, there's no photo evidence of much aero improvement 😆


 
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Just heard from a mate of mine, he was one of the ones involved in the crash at Hillingdon.
Not sure of the details but he's pretty pissed off to be spending a night in hospital after someone else wiped him out!
No doubt I'll catch up,with him this week and find out what happened.


 
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I think there were at least four seriously injured and another few who went down.

Nath said the Marshal had predicted a crash! Which kind of begs the question WTF are the Comms there for!?!

The tight schedule doesn't help. They don't really have time to neutralise the race and bollock everyone because the E1,2,3's would be up in arms (instead of just warming up during our last lap like they usually do 😆 ).


 
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Crosshair
Sorry guys, despite some concerted efforts, there's no photo evidence of much aero improvement

Don't lock your arms out straight, horizontal forearms would drop your head about 6 inches. Look at pictures of pre-tri bar time trialists. Might take some getting used to using your core a bit more, but not long.


 
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Crosshair. The good news is I think you've got tonnes of potential to be more aero. Get strengthening your core over winter and I reckon you could lose a couple of spacers off that steerer. There's no better place to experiment than Zwift.


 
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I don't *think* it's core strength- more flexibility.

I broke my hip and pelvis when I was 18 and have never really regained the flexibility I had before that.

I effectively do 9-12hrs of weight training a week for my job but it's not quite as dynamic as a kettle bell session perhaps!

Interesting segment on Francis Cade's Vlog this week from the guy who does the bike fits at Sigma Sport about how pursuing a super slammed front is not beneficial for you unless you can already ride in that position.

Thinking about training rides I've done where I've been really pleased with my position- it's always been on the CX bike which is loads higher with a 110mm stem.

I may try and recreate that on my race bike until I get better at holding it and then I can think of tweaking it downwards again.


 
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CH, not tempted to use that bike fit app I was using 😆


 
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Find Dan BIgham on Strava for a picture of how aero you can get on a road bike.


 
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Hadn't thought about it no, what was it called??


 
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With JD’s Crash experience ringing in my ears, I said goodbye to the wife and that it would be so cool if I got my first point in a 3 / 4 race. To which she replied that it would be even cooler to be in a fit state for work tomorrow!

Sorry, didnt mean to get in your head ;-).

While I was walking back to the start last week with one of the comms, he was saying how he didn't like short circuits like Sundorne, and he specifically mentioned Hillingdon. I think the problem is that they aren't technical/hard/long enough to split the field and you end up with a big group going into the final laps. City centre crits have their own dangers, but their technical nature usually means only a small group contest the points

As for your position, the only thing I would say is that you look a little cramped, and that if you bend your arms more you will have quite a big elbow/knee overlap.

I hesitate to use myself as a example but here's a pic of me on the hoods with bent elbows to compare

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Also, if you struggle to take your hands off the bars without changing position it suggests that your weight is too far forward. is there scope for moving your saddle backwards?


 
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Hey don't be silly JD, I only mentioned it because it was true but I doubt I was thinking about not-crashing any less than usual 😉

Ah, the FB pic won't work, can you use Postimage or something?

I agree about feeling cramped, it's partly why I wondered if my frame is too small for my upper body. There is scope to move the saddle back too though.

I may invest some time going through it from scratch one evening.


 
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Here you go

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The apps called "Bike Fast Fit", it's this one:

I'm 6ft riding the exact same frame as CH, it's exactly the same geometry/sizing as the Cervelo R series. There is some knee/elbow overlap on the drops but it's never bothered me.

Coincidentally the only thing I've done on the new one is match the saddle height to my racing bike, haven't even looked at reach and I've got a stupid amount of spacers (30mm) under the stem - it's rather comfy! But this is probably at the expense of aeroness.


 
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Cheers Nath.
There's more to it than raw height though. Everyone has different proportions of legs/torso and I'm also a lot broader and fatter. I did try and just copy my position across from my other two bikes, albeit with the longer stem but may get better results starting from scratch.


 
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Thanks JD. Definitely agree- I always think when I look through the photos grow much room some people seem to have in comparison.


 
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No worries CH. I actually think I could move my saddle back a bit, and I've booked another bike fit next week to tweak my position


 
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Yeah my position is probably not perfect, but it's done me well for that 100 miler.

I'm still due to see my friend up north for a proper fit, when I eventually get up there!

[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/do-i-need-a-singlespeed-1 ]P.s. in other news I'm growing a beard and my new best mate is called Francis[/url]


 
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Plenty of fun tonight. Attacked early from first lap and often (five or six times). Huge headwind down the straight. The V50 was a bit slower tonight, but I worked hard, blocked and bridged, dragged the bunch back, and generally had a good time. Was very definitely marked all race.

Our breakaway specialist went with three to go, I bridged to his wheel and we stayed away for a lap, caught on the bell and I attacked again to chase another rider off the front. Caught at Brian's Bends, I hopped onto a known sprinter's wheel and finished in sixth. Nice to take some points for all the work I did.


 
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Very nice!!

Are they the first points of the season? How many to go until 2nd cat?


 
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Well done mate! That sounds like so much fun! Glad you got a result for your efforts 🙂


 
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Half way to second cat. I was marked out of the previous race completely, despite spending the first half basically trying to rip it apart. This time I didn't work quite as hard, but was never far from the front. Having rested since Sunday probably helped too.

It's nice to be told that there was a groan from the bunch when I attacked on the first lap (again) 😉


 
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Ah you're bringing back memories of my first race haha

I'm going to try and be as cocky as that race in the next races I do. 2nd cat is next years target now.


 
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Just sign up for next Tuesday's E123 and be done. Enjoy the thrill and hang on at the back. That's my strategy. It's a roller-coaster, I tell you. Finishing in the bunch is a win! I don't think I've ever finished higher than 15th. But to be honest, it beats a Zwift race hands down.


 
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There's no way I could get there in time.

Earliest I seem to get away is 6pm. This gives me just over 1 hour to get from Piccadilly to Hillingdon, with a bike swap in Ealing along the way (I won't commute on the racing bike).


 
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Well, 17th it was out of 42 survivors and 3rd 4th Cat rider but that shouldn't legitimately have been any better than about 25th I think.

I didn't mention it in my write up as it would have sounded like an excuse but I've got quite bad knee pain from twisting it at work. It doesn't actually hurt whilst riding but I'm not sure what to do. I had planned some sweet spot work tomorrow evening but I wonder if easy spins might be better until it recovers.

Tried my new position out this evening and it felt better- although my arms took some persuading that it was a good idea!

Two weeks of trying to increase volume as part of my new plan has left me realising that it isn't the right time. I feel flat, tired, achy and starving hungry despite not losing any weight.
I think I'll stick to what I'd been doing for the previous 6 weeks- a race; one other day of intensity and just enough recovery/endurance rides to hit my 100mile Strava goal.
Then as and when work settles down, I can add volume back in again.


 
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If you want to restart the weight loss I think you need to do something radical with your diet, I'm not sure what though...

For instance my missus (who isn't into fad diets) has been reading a load of nutritional information and over the last two weeks has moved to a 50% fat diet (natural). She's lost 3kg in that time and has said she's never felt so energetic as she does now. Unfortunately that diet wouldn't work for us but it's just an example. 😆

And regarding the knee a couple of reasons it may not hurt on the bike; it's not weight bearing exercise, but the most likely is you're subconsciously compensating for it. Rest it 😉


 
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I'm not too worried about the weight, my arms have doubled in size the past six weeks 😆
I don't want to run too tight a calorie deficit right now as having enough energy to get everything done is more important.
I just need to let myself off the hook and realise that work pays the bills so restarting the plan can wait.

I'm quite tempted by the four week FTP booster plan on Zwift. I could swap out the Saturday workouts for the August races. The blurb says 10-15% increase which if true, would see me at 4.0w/kg with no weight loss required!


 
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Ladies & gents, I am please to announce:

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I've rounded my weight up to 68kg as I'm probably a little dehydrated from last nights shandies in town, and probably a little hungover/suffering from lack of sleep...and want to throw up...


 
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Nice work!
Now go do it in a race!


 
Posted : 22/07/2017 11:32 am
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Well done Nath! Watched the last two minutes and your Avatar was doing 33mph solo 😆

It's all coming together! Can't wait to see the results unfold live in August!


 
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Well done Nath!
Disappointed I had to do my own maths though....!


 
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Thruxton Tuesday Leigh?


 
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I've booked a couple hours between night shifts (yuck!) But yes please...it MUST be sunny this time...!


 
Posted : 22/07/2017 11:56 am
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That's jinxed it 😆

I'm going to play the game this week and go for points. I'm sitting in until half way up the hill on the last lap 😀


 
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I keep thinking 'maybe' for Tues, Mrs Weeksy is away with our boy from Monday evening.

One minor issues are
1. I'm at bike park Wales with my lad Monday afternoon.
2. I think it may be a waste of money I don't have as I get dropped on lap1.


 
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Thanks guys!

Weeksy go for it 🙂


 
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Weeksy- as long as you don't wipe yourself out, Monday won't harm Tuesday.

As for the second point, it baffles me 😀
There's three ways you are going to finish a race with the bunch:
a) Get fit enough to ride most of the race at 25mph solo- position won't matter then 😆
b) Spend a couple of hours a week sat on someone's wheel. If you can do this at 18-20mph on the road with drains, potholes, cars and everything else's to think about then holding the Thruxton draft will be easy!
c) Just pin on your number and try!!!

The only minor problem will be the hill but you can use gravity both ways. Make sure you move up on the downhill (without red lining of course) and give yourself slipping room. Your ftp is 301 now so 3 minutes at 350w each lap should be a doddle.


 
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Pretty much what @CH said, if you've got a 300W ftp you can sit on a bunch round a fairly flat course all day long. Once you get a nice solid block of 10 riders in front of you, you just get sucked along for hardly any effort.


 
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Nathb - good ftp score, i have no idea how you do that without spitting out your lungs. My ftp test yesterday (310) was a fairly grim experience of slow torture, so much harder than a race.
I wish i lived near you guys as that racing sounds really fun and all your write ups are great to read, keep up the good work.


 
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Top secret tip: crap music really loud.

Distracts from the leg pain and you know if you work harder it'll be over sooner (that's what I have trained myself to believe haha).

What weight are you blader?


 
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I'm pretty sure music is proven to lower RPE. I've even got an attack-track for Zwift 😆


 
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I never listen to music when on the turbo, i normally have head down listening to the rythym of my pedalling so i can sense when my cadence changes. I think i will start listening to some nirvana to see if that helps.
Nathb, still not weighed myself in 6 years but i would guess i am 80kg or so.


 
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Top job Nath. Very impressive.


 
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Today's very un crosshair like report, round 9 orrl around great Milton. Felt rubbish until just before the race, then felt most confident in a RR so far (recent crits maybe?) In the pack until shortly before the start of the 3rd lap of 4, in the group most of the way up the smallish hill, then a small group of us off the back slightly and a moment later the leaders had disappeared from view. After a couple of minutes of no progress I sacked it off as we went past hq. Couldn't be doing with lonely laps today!
Need a thruxton to cheer me up now!
Mate is looking for some cat4 only RRs too...might be slightly less brutal.


 
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Cheers matts!

Sounds tough Leigh!


 
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Good effort Leigh! It still sounds really tough, like you need to concentrate so hard to attack the best position all the time- and all dependant on the road layout to have room to do so! Still not selling it to me 🙂

I'm looking forward to Tuesday. I *think* I know what I need to do. I need to be in the top five by the Base of the hill but not even try and move up until 3 to go. Then try and surf wheels until past the chicane and then sprint!!!
The only break I would chase would be one of ten 😆

I've got a busy day on my feet tomorrow but am going to aim to make Tuesday morning as easy as possible.


 
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So you going to use my tactics on Tuesday then, is that what you're saying? 😆


 
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Looks that way 🙂 Not saying it's going to work mind you but I think I have the ingredients I need to pull it off now 😉


 
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May have just put myself back a few weeks 😥

Sprinting from the lights this happened:

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Result is I cracked my kneecap on the stem, struggling to move it right now and need to A) buy a new chain to get home B) cycle home...


 
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Hopefully the knee is just a bruise and will heal in a few days. Sprinting from the lights, were you late for work or trying to impress someone?


 
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It's London, you have to do it 😆


 
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Too much power Nath. 😆 It's the bike's way of saying you need a few days off Zwift.

Interesting you feel that way. After I started racing I no longer felt like I had something to prove, so silly commuter racing was consigned to the dustbin.


 
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I wasn't proving anything, there was only a bloke on a Brompton.

It's vehicles I was trying to get ahead of.


 
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Really nervous now! Looks like 40+ by the time a couple enter on the night.

Enough messing around- I'm going Lazy ++ for a point tonight. I'm literally already psyching myself up for that last battle up the hill. Out of a field of forty, there's bound to be a few who go too early so I reckon anywhere 05th-15th wheel at the chicane and moving forward will be ok.


 
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