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No.
Northern bikes for Northern folk.
Got one in Scotlandshire though, for the Yorkshire exPats.
Lmfao (from the comfort of my Yorkshire located sofa).
Do we know when are the frame onlys going to be available?
Mal-ec - Member
Do we know when are the frame onlys going to be available?
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It's the same Early May as the bikes. Earlier for the first people after an medium sized one.
deadkenny - MemberX0 Trail brakes. Entirely different from the Avid brakes people moan about (though probably haven't ridden with Avid brakes in years). They've been getting very strong reviews comparable with, if not exceeding XT.
And also some reviews saying "They're amazing when they work, which is almost often enough"
Is the size guide right then. I'd normally go for an 18" But it recons if you're over 5' 10" you're going to need a large (20") un?
I think that size guide needs attention. That's odd that.
I ride an 18in but should probably be on a 20. I'm 6'1"
Thanks for responses.
brant
I ride an 18in but should probably be on a 20. I'm 6'1"
But you want to say - you're fine with 18"?
Is there anytjing special with a head-set or any tapered internal will fit?
Are there any more pics of the blue frame kicking about yet?
The video was awesome 🙂 looks like a great value bike but probably not for me at 5'9" ish!
I always worry about standover in 29ers as my inside leg is 29" and like quite a low standover on my bikes as it is.
I do feel a lot of issues with Avid, outside of bleeding (half of that is down to the user, but X0 Trails are supposed to solve the old issues that lead you to thinking you need to bleed it anyway), is...
Pads
Avid pads seem to be a lot of the cause of Turkey Gobble and such things people complain about but from experience and other posts I've read third party pads can be better. Or at least switching from the sintered to Kevlar. I bulk buy Superstar Kevlar pads, and you can get four of them for these price of one Avid and they feel and sound so much better than the sintered. Wear out a bit quicker, but the four will last longer in total.
"They're amazing when they work, which is almost often enough"
+1
My first pair, worked for a week, then started just pulling back to the bars, bled them repeatedly according to the instructions, gave up and sent them back to fishers, they came back with a note with words to the effect "incorect bleed procedure used by customer, warrenty void, fixed by goodwill". And you guessed it, same as before.
Second set, exactly the same as the first, but after many attempts (not bothering wasting time with Fishers again) they seem to work now.
Only they pump up when left for a few months, the lever was completely solid and they need some fluid draining out.
They may be 'as good as Shimano' when they work. But WTF is the point of that, they're brakes, I don't want brakes that 'might work as well as the ones on the other bike, or might not work at all', I want to pull the lever and stop in a reasnoble distance. I can ride arround weak brakes, but occasional brakes is impossible!
I think that size guide needs attention. That's odd that.
While you're at it have a look at the fireline guide - there's a 19.5" and a 21" guide, but that doesn't apply when there's only a 20" option
5'9" perfect on a 16.
Depends on the person's body shape, owning an 18" Fireline (at 5'10") I need a layback post and a 70mm stem to make it work at all for me - couldn't get any weight over the front wheel otherwise - so should probably be on the 20" - the codeine isn't THAT much longer
Depends on the person's body shape, owning an 18" Fireline (at 5'10") I need a layback post and a 70mm stem to make it work at all for me - couldn't get any weight over the front wheel otherwise - so should probably be on the 20" - the codeine isn't THAT much longer
Sounds like a riding style thing too.
I'm very tempted by one of these .. Been looking around for few months now and this
Is at top of the list ... Trying a few bikes out at w/end too ..
The proof will be in the pudding as ever... Comparable spec from the big brands are 4k upwards 🙁
Begs the question of how much we're getting our pants pulled down ?
I think that size guide needs attention. That's odd that.I ride an 18in but should probably be on a 20. I'm 6'1"
Great, I'm 6ft so have ordered the large frame as I sit smack in the middle of your sizing guide. Am I now to believe that I should have ordered a medium?
I think that size guide needs attention. That's odd that.
I ride an 18in but should probably be on a 20. I'm 6'1"
Great, I'm 6ft so have ordered the large frame as I sit smack in the middle of your sizing guide. Am I now to believe that I should have ordered a medium?
I shall be contacting everyone that ordered one from us tomorrow with huge thanks, and an updated size recommendation.
I'd put you on a medium.
Sorry.
Looks good, what an XL size for a 6'5" bloke with extra long arms!
1" more reach, same size seat tube would be good 😉
I shall be contacting everyone that ordered one from us tomorrow with huge thanks, and an updated size recommendation.I'd put you on a medium.
Sorry.
Thanks Brant, Yes looking at the size guide in more detail and measuring as many body parts in the office without looking a total div, I think i too need the medium and not the large. It's the standover height that does it for me. Is 830mm for the medium frame correct?
Thought it was all about longer TTs and shorter stems these days?
I still dont understand why on-one's all have 74deg seat angles, cotic have just dropped from 73 to 72 in acceptance that in-line posts are what your stuck with for dropper posts.
I still dont understand why on-one's all have 74deg seat angles, cotic have just dropped from 73 to 72 in acceptance that in-line posts are what your stuck with for dropper posts.
It's quite neat that Cy is building for people who care lots about their seated position on the flat, and run dropper posts.
Dimensionally it makes a lot of sense what he's done there.
Frame design is often a lot about joining up the dots, and that makes sense.
Since the Planet X Compo, way way back, I've always liked steep seat angles and shortening reach from the back. So that bikes climb well. I like Reverbs as they put people forward in the pedals. I'm not a massive fan of long seated positions with you arse too far backwards.
The Codeine (and the Ti Fireline Evo) also has a straight seat tube, a nod to people who don't have Reverbs and want to run a conventional post and drop it down in the frame for descents.
The Codeine also is a full suspension bicycle, where a steeper seat tube angle helps give rear wheel clearance under full compression. Slackening the seat angle would limit rear wheel travel.
Is 830mm for the medium frame correct?
I don't think it can be. I'll measure one tomorrow.
any chance of trying one for size (preferably in the edinburgh store) then brant? Went to the scottish bike show (twitter had said you'd have one there) but was told the show bike had been nicked for a magazine writeup?
I still dont understand why on-one's all have 74deg seat angles, cotic have just dropped from 73 to 72 in acceptance that in-line posts are what your stuck with for dropper posts.
There's not a lot I'd change about my Soul but if I was to change the seat angle I'd make it steeper, not slacker (and I run an inline dropper post). Each to their own!
Codeine looks great - price is ridiculous.
One of the things that really appeals is the steep seat tube angle/slack front good riding up/going down geometry.
I still dont understand why on-one's all have 74deg seat angles, cotic have just dropped from 73 to 72 in acceptance that in-line posts are what your stuck with for dropper posts.
There's not a lot I'd change about my Soul but if I was to change the seat angle I'd make it steeper, not slacker (and I run an inline dropper post). Each to their own!
Note that, for the same travel fork, it's hardly changed at all with the Soul275. Only 0.25° slacker. It's the reach that's been increased. The optimised for inline geom thing also assumes 20mm longer travel fork when claiming the 1° slacker thing, as the position is all worked out with 120mm forks as the base, not 100mm.
Moving your saddle forward/backwards is always possible to adjust to your needs (or perceived needs).
As is fitting a shorter stem.
Codeine seat angle is in keeping with lots of things Brant has done before... great for climbing, and then you get out of the saddle for the downs anyway. Makes perfect sense to me.
any chance of trying one for size (preferably in the edinburgh store) then brant? Went to the scottish bike show (twitter had said you'd have one there) but was told the show bike had been nicked for a magazine writeup?
definitely
So looking at OnOne site today I have noticed 2 things:
1) Codeine frame or bike is "Sold out" - is this true or is this an unwanted side effect of the changes done? You cannot pre-order them currently...
2) Sizing guide updated (only for the bike, dissappeared from frameset page), but only partially (centimeters still not updated) I guess this should be:
5'4"-5'8" (162cm-173cm) Small
5'8"-6'0" (173cm-183cm) Medium
6'0"-6'4" (183cm-193cm) Large
Right?
1) Codeine frame or bike is "Sold out" - is this true or is this an unwanted side effect of the changes done? You cannot pre-order them currently...
By the time I have been writing this - it has been changed. Back in pre-order again...
By the time I have been writing this - it has been changed. Back in pre-order again...
Thank you for your admirable work proof reading our site. If you do order, email me and I'll give you a present.
Cheers
2) Sizing guide updated (only for the bike, dissappeared from frameset page), but only partially (centimeters still not updated) I guess this should be:
5'4"-5'8" (162cm-173cm) Small
5'8"-6'0" (173cm-183cm) Medium
6'0"-6'4" (183cm-193cm) Large
Right?
Right - someone updated in the inches and feet. Didn't update the cm
I shall be contacting everyone that ordered one from us tomorrow with huge thanks, and an updated size recommendation.
I'd put you on a medium.Sorry.
The only contact I've had all day is the same confirmation email of my order. It doesn't state the size of frame ordered, so with your new size guide on the website I now need a medium instead of large. Will I be contacted about this?
Thank you for your admirable work proof reading our site. If you do order, email me and I'll give you a present.
Would that present be a job as a proof reader? 😀
Would that present be a job as a proof reader?
we'll see.... ;D
The only contact I've had all day is the same confirmation email of my order. It doesn't state the size of frame ordered, so with your new size guide on the website I now need a medium instead of large. Will I be contacted about this?
Yes. Tomorrow now sorry. Though I will have some good news about delivery dates.
hough I will have some good news about delivery dates.
Before Easter? 😀
Maybe...
The only contact I've had all day is the same confirmation email of my order. It doesn't state the size of frame ordered, so with your new size guide on the website I now need a medium instead of large. Will I be contacted about this?
YHM
YHM
No... YHM
no YHM etc.
Thanks Brant, much appreciated.
Brant... Would you have any idea when the option to spec xt brakes may happen ?
Brant... Would you have any idea when the option to spec xt brakes may happen ?
It's not happening. After much discussion, we aren't going to offer XT brakes on the Codeine as that will utterly mix up our XT groupsets we've bought, on programmed orders, to build XT bikes.
Then there's the issue of clamps.
But more than that... we have ridden them back to back with X0 Trail, and the X0 Trail out perform them.
Brant...
What's the wheel base on the medium and large frames? If you are riding a medium at 6'1" what length stem are you using? I'm 5'11 but not sure if I'd be best on a large with a 50mm stem rather than a medium with a 70mm???? Everyone seems to be banging on about 'forward geometry', i.e. longer top tube short stem. My previous full suss' have been large frames with 24" top tubes and 70mm stems, although my current Cotic Soul is a Medium, which is great fun for my 2 hour rides round the woods but possibly a touch short on long days out in the saddle..
If you are riding a medium at 6'1" what length stem are you using?
I ride medium with a 35mm El Guapo stem.
Large WB 1185mm
Medium WB 1160mm
Fingers crossed my not so spotless credit history doesn't scupper the order I've just placed for one of these frames! Tense 24 hours till I find out.
Everyone seems to be banging on about 'forward geometry',
Forward Geometry 29ers?
It's balance.
Off to bed.
Still a bit confused by the geometry and sizing. How does the seat angle affect the TT length at pedaling height?
I'm 6ft with a 35" inside leg and ride an old old heckler with a 595mm TT and 70mm stem and an 18" original style 456 with 140mm Pike 454s also with 70mm stem. Both bikes run 745mm bars. They both feel a bit short in the TT but are great going down and the heckler certainly feels like my weight is a bit far back when pedaling.
According to the size chart and what has been said above I should get a medium Codeine but that would have a TT+stem length of 635mm, a good 30mm shorter than my already slightly short feeling bikes. Am I missing something?
Cheers,
S
The steep seat angle means the bike is designed for climbing and descending. Your expected to be standing if not going uphill, there will be someone along soon to say that's how you should ride/why would you ride anywhere flat blah blah. Basically like you I think it's too short for just riding, I'm sure it's great if every moment of your riding is joining like in the video.
According to the size chart and what has been said above I should get a medium Codeine but that would have a TT+stem length of 635mm, a good 30mm shorter than my already slightly short feeling bikes. Am I missing something?
You don't have to run a 35mm stem. I do. A 50 would still be "short".
The seat angle thing means that for every one degree you end up with a top tube that's half an inch shorter from the back.
Reach is the dimension of the top of the head tube from the Bb centre. But actually that is a fallible dimension as it's affected by head tube lengths or rather position of stem on steerer tube
You are sounding like you want an all day steady away riding around bike.
That's not what a Codeine is.
I am confident and really happy with the sizing on it. 6'6" lads riding and loving the large. Shorter bearded test rider put a lot of time into the small. I was always happy with my medium.
Just sorted the finance :-)so hopefully they'll be letting you know my blue build pre-order is a go. I assume the deal you got from sram means Hope brakes are not an option otherwise love the build and I have to say I have no experience with Avids, I just like those Hope tech3 E4 beauties. I've tried 2-29ers, the Tallboy and gyro, both were more agile than I expected but pedal bashing on the Tallboy was a pain does the Codeine ride a touch higher?
Seems like the 29er El Goppo will be a better match for riders less into the winch/drop thing?
It is funny there, but the size guide came back to the odd one. I hope this is just a mistake 🙂
macias - Member
It is funny there, but the size guide came back to the odd one. I hope this is just a mistake
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If I get arrested tomorrow, will it be manslaughter or murder?
Finance accepted on a white medium frameset. Can't wait! Will I have it in time for the grizedale enduro in may I wonder?
brant - Member
Hello.Reach Dimensions - horizontal from BB centre to top of head tube.
16in - 395mm
18in - 408mm
20in - 430mmWhich to compare with a typical 73deg seat angle gives effective top tube lengths of:-
16in - 600mm (23.6in)
18in - 610mm (24in)
20in - 630mm (24.8in)The actual "angle of the seat tube" is 70.5deg, and it's offset forward about 35mm. This gives a 73.5deg seat angle at average saddle height. Interestingly, even with 6in of difference in saddle height, the seat position only varies by 3mm fore or aft of a "virtual seat angle". So whilst yes, a taller saddle will have a slacker seat angle, the actual seat angle you'll feel only varies by 0.5deg. So shorties will get a 74deg seat angle, and lanky sods end up at 73deg. Which is why the larger size gets a greater top tube length difference to allow people that want to move forward a bit to move forward without getting things too short.
Oh yes - I guess you can see that the seat tube is straight - it's a key point - as I wanted people to be able to drop a full length 400mm post right down, so those of us that can't afford (or don't want) a dropper post aren't hampered by the saddle in the way. I see quite a few bikes out there that don't have this, and it's just a bit rubbish I think. Post diameter is 31.6mm. Our Neil runs a 30.9mm post with a shim - they are out there. The seat tube is externally butted at the top to guard against the odd cracking you can get on frames where you don't have some seatstays supporting the seat tube.
Chainstay length came in at 440mm, 17.3in. Which gives 6mm clearance between the corner of a Smorgasbord the edge of the chain stay, at the narrowest point. Proper tyres. Proper clearance.
The suspension is optimised for a 32t chainring. 34t will work. 30t would as well I think (we'll check), but 32t offers absolutely perfect performance in terms of anti-squat. The bike climbs incredibly well with a fully open shock, without any requirement for lockout or propedal.
Might seem like a daft question, but why is it being specced with a 30T if it's optimised for a 32T?
Might seem like a daft question, but why is it being specced with a 30T if it's optimised for a 32T?
We had ridden extensively with 32/36, and 30/42 was great too.
Sat on one of the full builds yesterday and I was impressed, decent clearance at the rear with a big tyre, looking generally tidy and well put together. Good looking bike.
I'd be very tempted to get one but deal breaker for me without a proper test ride to change my mind (never ridden a 29er before) would be the stack height: big wheels + proper fork + external headset puts the bars really high. Stack height on the on-one headset is big . Brant: are their any other lower stack heaset options? Can't help thinking a different headtube to take an internal headset would make a lot of sense on these.
Do bear in mind that I like to run my bars lower than most, but I'd imagine almost everyone running these will end up slamming the stem and running flat bars.
Brant: are their any other lower stack heaset options? Can't help thinking a different headtube to take an internal headset would make a lot of sense on these.Do bear in mind that I like to run my bars lower than most, but I'd imagine almost everyone running these will end up slamming the stem and running flat bars.
You could run an FSA headset that does tapered/internal with the tapered steerer, but it would only give you about 8mm drop.
Flat bars and slammed stem are the best way for shorter riders on big 29ers.
Any update Brant on when these will be in stock? I Ordered a white medium frame. Can't wait!
Showing 5th May on my system.
DeeW - Member
Sat on one of the full builds yesterday and I was impressed, decent clearance at the rear with a big tyre, looking generally tidy and well put together. Good looking bike.
Where?
Sat on one of the full builds yesterday and I was impressed, decent clearance at the rear with a big tyre, looking generally tidy and well put together. Good looking bike.
Where?
Sheffield Planet-X store. Think it was the personal bike of one of the guys that works there. I asked nicely and they fetched it from 'out the back'.
5th of May sounds good! Thanks Brant.
Hi Brant, earlier in this thread (page 2) you agreed that shimano brakes will be an option on the build. Any chance of a Hope option I don't mind digging into the pocket to make up the difference if any.
Thanks.
Hi Brant, earlier in this thread (page 2) you agreed that shimano brakes will be an option on the build. Any chance of a Hope option I don't mind digging into the pocket to make up the difference if any.
Thanks.
Our position on that has changed I'm afraid, so it's X0 Trail's on the bike.
you agreed that shimano brakes will be an option on the build
Brant later stated would actually unfortunately be possible.
If you guys want Shimano breaks take the Alixirs off, Ebay them, Buy Shimano whatsoever with the breaks.
Shorter bearded test rider put a lot of time into the small.
He gets everywhere that bloke 😉
Commiserations.......you have my sympathy
........ for having an On One
Brant, any plans to do a frame and fork only deal? Would be interested if so.
Brant, any plans to do a frame and fork only deal? Would be interested if so.
This will be coming at some point.
Excellent!
Brant YHM......again 😀
Oh...and have we any pictures yet of the full bike build in blue, not just the frame?
Oh...and have we any pictures yet of the full bike build in blue, not just the frame?
Not yet.
Brant
Will there be a tune thingy to set up the ccdb shock ? Or is it a fiddle and play job 😀