[Closed] Singletrack Decide Not To Cover the Danny MacAskill Playboy Video

S****s like a teenage boy

I thought I was the only one....

🙂

I'm no feminist but just a little tired of people deferring to a male for a question to be answered when the female is capable of answering it

With the bloke though you get the correct answer instead of the opinionated clap-trap the woman tries to pass off as the correct answer ?

I've just asked a gay friend what she thinks of the video. Would you care to guess her answer?

Danny who ?

Oh gosh, penny has just dropped. 😳

With the bloke though you get the correct answer instead of the opinionated clap-trap the woman tries to pass off as the correct answer ?

Hey, no need for that!

Hey, no need for that!

I was bored and fancied plummeting a ridiculous thread even further into the depths of it's own arse

For the triumph of evil all that is necessary ifs good people do nothing I assume you dont want us to do nothing about the later just the bit you dont mind.

Playboy bunnies are not evil , danny is not evil, hugh is not evil.
Pornography is not evil.

With the bloke though you get the correct answer instead of the opinionated clap-trap the woman tries to pass off as the correct answer ?

Seriously dude? Which century do you come from?

Seriously dude? Which century do you come from?

Sorry, I thought this was a forum, I didn't know we had to be serious with every post written.

I'll go back to the cum hero post... it's still making me laugh

TIC response shirley?

Playboy bunnies are not evil , danny is not evil, hugh is not evil.
Pornography is not evil.

Congratulations!

That's now the third, fourth, fifth and sixth arguments that [i]no one is making[/i] which you've managed to contest.

Four more and you get the TJ & Fred Commemorative Plate.

I was bored and fancied plummeting a ridiculous thread even further into the depths of it's own arse

Nice, so nothing useful to say. Carry on everyone .. we don't want girls ruining our fun now , do we.

As defences of Hugh Hefner go, "[i]hypothetical lesbians love his work[/i]" has chutzpah.

🙂

Sorry, I thought this was a forum, I didn't know we had to be serious with every post written.

Yeah, this equality thing, it's only a bit of a larf, innit. Relax!

All the people who agreed with stw stance , it is not because they have a problem with glamour models or the glamour industry , porn stars or porn industry or any one who views it.

But have a problem with danny riding a bike near any of the above in case it puts women off riding a bycicle.

I hope the waters continue to clear .

I've seen porn with women covered in baked beans... it hasn't put me off baked beans...

Why exactly would this vid put women off riding bicycles ?

All the people who agreed with stw stance , it is not because they have a problem with glamour models or the glamour industry , porn stars or porn industry or any one who views it.

But have a problem with danny riding a bike near any of the above in case it puts women off riding a bycicle.

Good... You're getting a bit warmer now...

Good man Chip, your getting closer. Well done.

Our sport should be encouraging to everyone and not say girls do this and boys to that. Or indeed infer that to be the case as in this video.

For me it's the tacit support of an industry that maintains a ridiculous standard of what is attractive.

There has been talk of 'empowerment' for those that choose to be in this industry, but imo it is NOT empowering for women par se as there is still a very prescriptive view of beauty in this industry. Just look at the lengths some women go to to achieve this 'standard'.

Ahhh, but maybe it will encourage playboy bunnies to ride theirs.

A good thing surely.

Why exactly would this vid put women off riding bicycles ?

Because, as one of the actual wimmin-folk I quoted earlier said, doing tacky waaaheeey-boooobies videos [i]"further embeds the notion that mtb is a male sport"[/i].

Why exactly would this vid put women off riding bicycles ?

Because it sets the expectation that women who are attractive should be covered in baked beans (I mean frolicking in the pool) rather than riding a bike. This is very frustrating to Those cool souls who want to ride/do ride.

It's not like this is a one-time thing. It's pervasive in our society. It's carp, let's change it.

Ahhh, but maybe it will encourage playboy bunnies to ride theirs.

Actually I'm pretty sure there is (or used to be) a "Playmate Xtreem Team" or something which did mountain biking, adventure racing etc.

Not going to search for that at work though!

Because it sets the expectation that women who are attractive should be covered in baked beans (I mean frolicking in the pool) rather than riding a bike. This is very frustrating to Those cool souls who want to ride/do ride.

It's not like this is a one-time thing. It's pervasive in our society. It's carp, let's change it.

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See I just don't get that... I can't imagine how this can even enter a persons mind.

Mrs Weeksy rides bikes, not often but occasionally... watching the vid won't change this for her.

Actually I'm pretty sure there is (or used to be) a "Playmate Xtreem Team" or something which did mountain biking, adventure racing etc.

You think correct sir. My adolescent self remembers seeing an article in MBUK about them a lot of years ago.

But have a problem with danny riding a bike near any of the above in case it puts women off riding a bycicle.

seriously? how would that video put woman off cycling? no one with any sort of common sense or a brain would be put off cycling (trials riding more accurate) by that video. The wife watched it and never commented on the ladies in the bikini'a and neither did my 9 year old son. I didn't even pay attention to them either as I was watching the rider. This stupid feminist attitude has no place in todays society.

and round we go again....

Don't underestimate the influence that video has.

After watching it, I started walking round town in a bunny uniform.

I have to report to the police station on Thursday 😡

This stupid feminist attitude has no place in todays society.

Yeah, I can't stand feminism - anyone who believes in it is an idiot.

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending a state of equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

😡 😡 😡

That's why I mentioned it is all pervasive.

Sure Mrs Weeksy won't stop but she's lucky she'sgot you to encourage her. There are many many other girls who are encouraged to be the girls in the pool without support to do other kick butt things considered non girly.

Even my lass feels the pressure and she's as hard as nails.

Let's not encourage it.

Additionally it tells the boys watching this that, that is what they should look for in a girl. That ain't helping either.

the wanderer - Member
Additionally it tells the boys watching this that, that is what they should look for in a girl. That ain't helping either.

This as well.

I much prefer Danny Mac's Jimmy Savile video.

Google search it.

Now that will blow the minds of the stw terminally offended.

Britain's favourite fiddling, Corpse Bride watching, Yorkshire Ripper befriender, as well as Jimmy Savile, all in one video!

botanybay - Member
Now that will blow the minds of the stw terminally offended.

Yawn

seriously? how would that video put woman off cycling?

How many women are going to watch that video and think [i]"Hey hot glamour models in bikinis giggling and gasping at my every move? That looks like the sport for me!"[/i]

Or will it add weight to the overall impression that mountain biking (and trials) is a sport for blokes?

I didn't even pay attention to them either as I was watching the rider.

How did you manage that then? Did you just close your eyes during the close-ups of bums and slow-motion shots of women frolicking in bikinis?

What rider are you watching here?

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botanybay - Member
Now that will blow the minds of the stw terminally offended.

Haha... I'm offended about people's understanding of what we're offended by. Ha!

I didn't even pay attention to them either as I was watching the rider.

Prude! 😉

How many women are going to watch that video and think "Hey hot glamour models in bikinis giggling and gasping at my every move? That looks like the sport for me!"

Hypothetically then, what video should women who are not interested in bikes watch to pique their interest and get women into bikes ?

Another 8 pages of posts has to be good for STWs click count too though.

Just sayin'

Hypothetically then, what video should women who are not interested in bikes watch to pique their interest and get women into bikes ?

Hypothetically, any video that shows it for what it really is: a fun, challenging and rewarding sport that all genders can enjoy?

Hey, be offended and outraged all you want guys, but look at your own lives before judging others.

I bet some of you can't even bunnyhop, let alone seen a lady in her undies.

What rider are you watching here?

Dunno, is it not a screen shot from a Herbal Essences advert?

Hypothetically, any video that shows it for what it really is: a fun, challenging and rewarding sport that all genders can enjoy?

Show me one... show me a vid that doesn't move the bias towards MTB's being a blokes sport (other than a womans dhill WC event)

Hey, be offended and outraged all you want guys, but look at your own lives before judging others.

Hey, thanks for the invite, but I, along with everyone else here, am not outraged or offended.

Hey, be offended and outraged all you want guys, but look at your own lives before judging others.

Sexist. 😐

Weeksy theres been a few recent pinkbike articles and videos about womens riding and wasn't there that film with only women riding in it a while back? Can't remember what it was called.

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Show me one... show me a vid that doesn't move the bias towards MTB's being a blokes sport (other than a womans dhill WC event)

Any video that shows women as active participants rather than giggling spectators in bikinis would be a start, but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

[i]here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search[/i]

took me far less time than that 🙂

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich then.

Or this one from the latest [url= http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/midweek-mini-movies-210/ ]Mid Week Mini Movies[/url] on this very site:

(Oddly lacking in giggly men cavorting in their budgie-smugglers).

Any video that shows women as active participants rather than giggling spectators in bikinis would be a start, but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

I'd say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

Wow! Nice one weeksy 😆

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Your negative chi has put me right off my quinoa.

Here's one to get the birds into riding bikes eh?

I'd say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

See there you go, using your view of how women are and saying they're like this or like that. Exactly the same argument was used by men about women going into the workforce.

I'm sexist, I'm racist, it's a natural thing to try and pigeonhole people in order to categorize the world. But I try not to be. We as a sport can do better than this. And part of that is looking at the Danny Mac video and calling it out for the sexist that is amateurish and unhelpful.

I'd say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

Personally I think you greatly under-estimate "99% of non-biking females", but if you want something that actually talks about more pedestrian every day utility cycling then:

(Incidentally a video that was originally shown to me by our local cycle campaign, which was founded and headed by women)

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it? Does there have to be an even gender distribution in every sport?

My wife doesn’t like it, she cycles wherever possible on her town bike and she’ll happily come out with me on the road bike or go for a run but has very little interest in mountain biking in much the same way that I have very little interest in piloxing or horse riding. I think a large proportion of our female friends are ‘sporty’, most compete in one sport or another and only one of them that I know of regularly rides a MTB.

FWIW the main reasons they don’t ride offroad is the safety concerns of being isolated in the middle of nowhere and a worry of crashing, nothing to do with girls in bikinis or wearing lycra or being compared to calendar pictures of Niki Gudex.

http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/bike/events/1331652981544/red-bull-foxhunt-rachel-atherton-bike-2014

Red Bull at it again, referring to a female mtber as a fox. First the bunnies and now this, how sexist can one energy drink/marketing house be?

FWIW the main reasons they don’t ride offroad is the safety concerns of being isolated in the middle of nowhere and a worry of crashing

Sorry but this makes me so mad. If you really really want to do something you'll do it!

Jeez, I broke my collar bone when cycling on my own and I just had to deal with it. I've had mechanicals too.

Actually I'll shut up now. 😀

I can't even have a packet of crisps without oppressing women 🙁

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Hmm. Maybe I would be better off having a chocolate bar instead....

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Noooooooooooooooo!

At least you can have a Yorkie bar

Sorry but this makes me so mad. If you really really want to do something you'll do it!

That’s the general gist of my ‘argument’ though, they don’t really want to do it. There are other sports that they enjoy which don’t expose them to those perceived risks.

First, I agree with the stance taken by singletrack and their decision to be vocal (albeit in a [i]very[/i] limited way) about it, so credit to them for that.

Secondly, threads like this are an excellent way of exposing just how pervasive and unthinking everyday sexism and misogyny continue to be (and by-the-by allowing monumental bellends and the sadly feebleminded to out themselves) so long may it continue.

The problem I have with the video is mainly the role of the women in the video, what they are doing. They do nothing and contribute nothing to the content of the video. They are (literally) a backdrop, incidental to the action. As such they are reduced to the level of scenography, of objects. Conceivably then they could be replaced by anyone (or anything) and the video could be shot exactly the same and remain of more-or-less the same interest, value, or meaning. That they are there, appearing as they appear, and doing what they do is therefore telling . Even more so when (AFAIK) they are the only women to appear in any of Macaskill’s many videos* – suggesting that that the version of womanhood represented here is the only one that is valued.

The video, as many others have said above, implies that biking is something that men do, and if there are girls around then their role is to watch (and ideally look pretty). It constitutes a narrow vision of how women ought to appear and behave, and offers an image of cycling that I [u]don't[/u] want to be associated with.

*apart from his mam’s voice in Imaginate (?)

bajsyckel - Member

The video, as many others have said above, implies that biking is something that men do, and if there are girls around then their role is to watch (and ideally look pretty). It constitutes a narrow vision of how women ought to appear and behave, and offers an image of cycling that I want to be associated with.

Can't help but think there's a "don't" missing from that paragraph?

😉 Ninja editing there Jamie

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it?

The average man doesn't like it either, so I'm not sure what your point is?

[i]Red Bull at it again, referring to a female mtber as a fox. First the bunnies and now this, how sexist can one energy drink/marketing house be?[/i]

I think you'll find Rachel, being the chaser, is a hound.

doh!

stumpy01 - Member

Can't help but think there's a "don't" missing from that paragraph?

Thanks. Adds stealthy edit to try and look less of a monumental bellend. 😆

The foxhunt was done first with Gee...

Secondly, threads like this are an excellent way of exposing just how pervasive and unthinking everyday sexism and misogyny continue to be (and by-the-by allowing monumental bellends and the sadly feebleminded to out themselves) so long may it continue.

exactly.

on another note, are you in Sweden bajscykel?

@ howsyourdad - no.

I think you'll find Rachel, being the chaser, is a hound.

doh!

Ahem ... "riders will set off on a head start before Rachel Atherton chases them down with the aim of passing as many of them as possible to knock them out of the race. The only race where the hunters become the hunted!"

Double doh! to you!

...it was first done with Gee...

but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

I quite like Red Bull mind. I's very refreshing early in the morning on a long drive.
The guy who owns red bull is an Austrian called Dietrich Mateschitz who comes from a little village in Styria. He has invested heavily in the area and given many millions towards local charities, schools, helping entrepreneurs and many other things.
He also owns a tv channel and has a magazine, both of which have nothing to do with extreme sports

http://www.servustv.com/at/

It's not a drinks company.
I's many companies that happen to have a drink for sale.

I'd say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids

My gast is truly flabbered by that statement. I would say more but simply cannot come up with the words.

iolo - Member

I quite like Red Bull mind. I's very refreshing early in the morning on a long drive.
The guy who owns red bull is an Austrian called Dietrich Mateschitz who comes from a little village in Styria. He has invested heavily in the area and given many millions towards local charities, schools, helping entrepreneurs and many other things.
He also owns a tv channel and has a magazine, both of which have nothing to do with extreme sports

http://www.servustv.com/at/

It's not a drinks company.
I's many companies that happen to have a drink for sale.

Did someone order the inconsequential?

Big steaming plate of inconsequential for someone here

Anyone?

The average man doesn't like it either, so I'm not sure what your point is?

My point is that the apparent majority of people criticising the video are doing so because they perceive sexism within the MTB community is putting women off mountain biking. In my experience this is not the case and women chose other sports for a variety of other reasons.

FWIW I don't particularly like the video, it's a bit rubbish.

Did someone order the inconsequential?

Big steaming plate of inconsequential for someone here

Anyone?

99 percent of this thread is inconsequential so I thought I'd add to it.
With the hope that this bloody thread might come to an end

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it?

Or maybe most girls/women are not drawn to it and never even try it because they are consistently told that it is a sport for boys and they have no positive images of women enjoying it?

If you want to see the same thing in reverse then just think of netball. A sport that many men would probably enjoy but they never take part in because it is seen as a girl's sport.

These stereotypes can and do change if they are properly challenged. [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/women-rugby-twickenham-yes-game-on-7687502.html ]The rise of women's rugby[/url] is a good example.

Does there have to be an even gender distribution in every sport?

Of course not, but sports [i]should[/i] be accessible and welcoming for all genders.