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I'm hovering over the order now button but thought I'd check in here and see how folks are finding them. Looking at a Camino Al frame only in Mint, size large and 90% sure on sizing, but looking at the geo chart the medium is actually pretty much identical to my old Genesis Datum which fitted like a glove, but then Sonder only rate the medium up to 5ft 10 and I'm 6ft. I do prefer my drop bar bikes a little shorter though. Keen to hear how people have got on with theirs too.
Snowy Monday on the edge of the Fens, really enjoyed it. [url= https://i.postimg.cc/5yPwx1gk/20210125-110733.jp g" target="_blank">https://i.postimg.cc/5yPwx1gk/20210125-110733.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
Slightly better pic of the boik:
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Snowy Monday on the edge of the Fens, really enjoyed it.
Lot more snow than we got in Cambridge!
@footflaps Ben, it was fresh powder like this. Dint know whether to get the skis or the bike out of the toy cupboard...
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I've got a medium at 5'9, 1 wouldn't want it to be any smaller
Dumb question, can the latest version of the camino take a conventional compact double.
Dumb question, can the latest version of the camino take a conventional compact double.
Absolutely. I’ve got GRX 2x on mine.
Cheers
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my think mark 1 ali' El Camino 2X front XT set up 40mm rubber 700c CGR seatpost f...ugly plus redshift flex stem for down under corrugated gravel roads...great versatile frame have also run with mudguards and rack as a commuter
Awaits @metalheart to post an envy generating picture of his Camino
Nope, I've never found myself wishing I'd gone Ti.... not me oh no
@piemonster dry yer eyes min!
I’ll give you first dibs when I’m selling it... 🤪
can the latest version of the camino take a conventional compact double.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a Ti GRX2 option on the Sonder website...
About to replace the frame with the Ti version, been a great bike very pleased with it. Wasn’t sure how much I’d use it, but actually loads.
Argh embedded photos...
No Large in stock or Pre Order are there? I keep thinking about getting a frame and slowly building it up but at 5 9" I'm in between a Medium and a Large.
Any 5 9" ish riders with frame size suggestions?
Hmmm they did have Large Mint for pre-order yesterday afternoon, obviously gone already! Solves that problem for me then for now!
Love mine I'm 6ft and ride a large.
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Yeah, I'm a fraction under 6' and mine's large... and so's me boik!
Badoom.... Tish 😁
piemonster
Awaits @metalheart to post an envy generating picture of his Camino
Nope, I’ve never found myself wishing I’d gone Ti…. not me oh no
same
Yep, 179 cm here on a large. Short stem though, maybe Boblo got my share?
I'm hovering over buy also. I'm 6'3" and charts say XL, but the reach looks long.
Mint or Chilli red though! Argh
Large is all sold out!
I’m on a large (but I’m a smidge under 6’). Wouldn’t want it any smaller for sure.
@stwhannah did a review of the Al Camino late spring/early summer. It was partly that that led me to buying/pre-ordering so might be worth a read.
Sonder has a lot of weird and wonderful things happen in their ordering/website. I ordered an al bike but then ascertained the availability of the ti frame and upgraded the order despite there being none visible on the website (done through email/phone).
Supply lines are completely ****ed-up at the moment,can’t imagine that customs Brexit bit of a mess will have improved matters since the summer neither.
Oh, Mint, definitely Mint 🤪
Large is all sold out!
This is what happens.
Sign up for a notification email on size/colour.
When it arrives (the email) just order the damn thing. If you leave it, it will disappear. Ask me how I know this...
@metalheart Shame I don't get commission! If everyone upgraded to Ti I could buy my own in alloy!
Shame I don’t get commission! If everyone upgraded to Ti I could buy my own in alloy!
You could try and convince them that you really need a ti one to compare (seems as you have obviously driven up sales of the Al one...), no?
I bought mine in the/a sale a year or so ago. It's the q/r version. I'd bent my favourite bike and couldn't decide whether to go custom or off the peg for its replacement - so I did both as the Camino frame was only £250. I built it as a bitsa from what I had laying around with a couple of new components ex Wiggle. Probly cost me £350 in real pounds without too much man maths...
There's been a few threads in the last year or two
I’m hovering over buy also. I’m 6’3″ and charts say XL, but the reach looks long.
The reach looks long becayse it has a steeper seat tube than a lot of bikes like it. The ETT, which is probably more relevant to a bike like this, since you probably spend more time in the saddle than not, is pretty typical. If you compare it to e.g. the Santiago, the same ETT gets less reach.
@kid.a - if you are long limbed go for XL
I'm 6' 1.5" with 34" inside leg and gorilla arms and went XL in 2017 (v1 but the geometry is the same).
It feels long when my sciatica plays up but normally it feels right. I've not bothered putting a slightly shorter stem on it so it must be a decent fit.
I love it and it's the only bike I've used since 2017. @brant designed a great bike
@footflaps Ben, it was fresh powder like this. Dint know whether to get the skis or the bike out of the toy cupboard…
I am very jealous, I love snow - see it about once every 10 years in the City.
5,10 on a med but a large landing soon with my name on it. Toe overlap as much as anything my issue (175 cranks).
I'm also 6'3" and rode an XL for a while. I always felt stretched out, enough that I felt slightly uncomfortable, despite fitting a shorter stem. However my upper body is relatively short compared to my lower body. Having said that I enjoyed riding the bike, but I would not get another one due to that reach.
Interesting mine is XL I’m 6’2” relatively long legged, I’ve raised the front end slightly, so it’s got 3 or 4 spacers under none over. Really good fit with stock components, got the apex 1 hydro on the c2w at 999, been great. Not felt overly stretched but as I say have pulled the front up, running spitfire bars, had the bombers for 1 ride hated them. When my voucher comes will replace the frame. Then start slowly upgrading the components, although it’s all solid, wheels are probably next.
Edit, toe overlap can be a bit of an issue but only with the sks guards on, running 170mm xt cranks. Which I know is a bit odd!
I have the xl with spacers and a 70mm stem. Nice and comfy position chuntering, and aggressive when descending.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a Ti GRX2 option on the Sonder website…
I think this bike will be in my life at some point, website says “Order book opens September” 🙁
I think the choke point is GRX2 rather than the frames...
XL ordered and hopefully due on 8th of February ish. Gangly 6'2 so always on the cusp of large and XL so hoping it's right.
Managed to gather up second hand 1x11 rival, dt350/g540 wheels, gravelkings and Deda finishing kit.
I think the choke point is GRX2 rather than the frames…
Yup, I’d have got my GRX1 about 4-6 weeks earlier if I was prepared to sub for Force instead.
Back then, October, they were taking about May delivery for some sram forks....
Heard (elsewhere) that no Canecreek forks available as there are no mag lowers left on the planet at present...
Something about a global pandemic I think...🤪
I didn't buy yet, still pondering.
I ride 58cm in CAADX (the bike it will replace) and 58cm Spesh Tarmac. So still not sure.
Will ponder some more! Haha
FYI I emailed Sonder a few days ago about stock availability on large frames and just received this email back:
Thanks for getting in touch. We are set to have more stock of the large Camino frames from mid-April.
I would suggest keeping an eye on the website for any updates.
I am afraid the email notification does not currently work for our bikes, something we are working on.
So just a matter of checking and getting lucky it seems!
Can’t figure out how to post a pic from my phone.
Got a V1 Camino Ti frame in large with Carbon fork, Hope headset, Love Mud wheels, Schwalbe G-One 38s and adjustable stem for sale.
DM for info and pics.
This is my XL (MK1) - I'm 6'3 or thereabouts.....
I started with an 80mm stem and then went to a 90mm (not pictured above) Redshift.
I wouldn't say I was overly long legged but do have long arms.
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This one is a bit cleaner.
So nobody in the thread received a V3 frame or bike yet?
If not, anybody have a concrete date for dispatch? Or are we relying on the 7th Feb date quoted on the basket page?
Ordered a frame only early Dec, but can't hold out much longer than mid-Feb...
This is mine, I’m 5’ 8” and I went for the medium
It arrived last Monday so just a roll down to Rawtenstall and back so far but it feels and rides superb.
My first bike packing trip is being planned for when lockdown ends, I’m going for The Way of The Roses (Morecambe to Bridlington)
@kid.a - mine replaced a 58cm Spesh Tricross
Monty - looks good. WOTR is a nice route. How long are you taking over it? My wife and some friends did it over 3 days with me as support in the van. We had some great nights in the pub!
@kid.a
Mine didn't replace anything but my other gravel bike is a CAADX which I absolutely luuuurve. I set it up for both gravel and road depending what I'm doing - most of the time road. Two sets of Kinesis Crosslight CX's. One 11/40 and G Ones the other 11/28 and Duranos. It is ace apart from the BB30 which I've changed with an adapter.
As a real positive, the Camino doesn't feel much different to the CAADX apart from the chainstays stick out a bit more and can catch a heel. It's a bit agricultural as well. But overall A1.
Ordered Apex Hydro in Mint! Exciting
@boblo yeah I do like the CAADX, but there's a few things about it I'd wanted to change, some not possible. Mine came with Spyres, so always planned to upgrage to hydro brakes at some point. The BB annoys me (BB30), now all my bikes will be threaded. And I want to be able to run fatter rubber, the CAADX can just squeeze a 38mm if condtions are dry.
Also, it's lockdown, and I just wanted a new toy.
So here is the biggy question. I really like the look of the Decathalon Riverside Touring bike but waiting on them having stock seems risky. So now eyeing up Al Apex1 Hydraulic instead. Has any one got thoughts on comparing the two?
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Ordered Apex Hydro in Mint! Exciting@boblo yeah I do like the CAADX, but there’s a few things about it I’d wanted to change, some not possible. Mine came with Spyres, so always planned to upgrage to hydro brakes at some point. The BB annoys me (BB30), now all my bikes will be threaded. And I want to be able to run fatter rubber, the CAADX can just squeeze a 38mm if condtions are dry.
Aye. I changed to R685/785's though I also get on with Spyres. So much so, I've put them on the Camino. BB30 deleted and I've found 38's fine for gravel. I don't ride gloop so don't need anything wider. We seem to have found similar shortcomings...
@piemonster:
Question for the Ti owner
How are you getting on with them? Asking fir a friend…
I’d tell you, but you’d just cry (again).
It’s been sat in the bike room since mid December, it’s been right icy out you know. It’s still shiney... 😜
See, I said you’d cry...
Oh, I don’t think it’s the best bike for the blue at Learnie Red Rocks...
[quote="franksinatra"]So here is the biggy question. I really like the look of the Decathalon Riverside Touring bike but waiting on them having stock seems risky. So now eyeing up Al Apex1 Hydraulic instead. Has any one got thoughts on comparing the two?
Same here, but with the GRX Camino.. Just waiting to see if my work's going to do C2W!
It’s been sat in the bike room since mid December, it’s been right icy out you know. It’s still shiney… 😜
LOL
I had been looking at a certain Ti Frame manufacturer who has a rather tasty deal running. But I’m very aware of just how well the AL Camino fits, so although the build quality ‘might’ be better the fit almost certainly isn’t.
Everything is screwed for availability anyway. I think what I’m going to do is hang on until Autumn, I’ll have a much better idea of job security for both me and Louise then, then wait for stock or pre order options then go nuclear on a complete bike. Keeping my current one for Munro ride ins, pubs, shops, commuting, and finally sell on the Genesis Day One to make room.
This is mine, had it for two years and it's ace. I'm slap bang between sizes (176cm, 5'9 and a bit) and went for the Medium with the idea that making a smaller frame fit bigger is slightly easier. I fitted a 100 stem up from the standard 90. Bit of toe overlap with full mudguards but nothing to write home about.
Been hovering over buy for a few weeks.
Kept looking at other options, keep thinking about another Steel Gravel Frame at 2.5x the price. In the end, couldnt argue with the price and the fact that it ticks all my boxes - very good tyre clearance, good standover, relaxed/slack-ish geo.
I just knew that I'd be left cursing when I checked back next week and they are all gone... So I've gone for the Dark Grey Tarmac colour (to maximise colour options!).
I've got most of the bits ready to swap over, and with the money saved over a steel alternative I'll build myself some nice fancy Hope/DT wheels or something with silly coloured hubs.
Did someone say this was a Brant design?
@oddnumber
That bike looks amazing!
What do you have on a front rack that beefy? Can you get a weeks shop on it?
Why a front rather than rear rack (I've had a rear rack for commuting and the odd tour for 20+ years).
Thanks chap 🙂
What do you have on a front rack that beefy? Can you get a weeks shop on it?
Why a front rather than rear rack (I’ve had a rear rack for commuting and the odd tour for 20+ years).
During lockdown last year I used it for combining the grocery run with daily exercise, so the rack and panniers worked really well. It carries loads for camping too. No particular reason for a front rack other than when I was looking for a rack I'd seen that one being used with my panniers so knew it'd work ok.
👍
That's enough to start me looking at cycle to work schemes and plotting 🙂
Interested in picking one of these up as a second bike to my incoming Bird Aether 9...
I have a few questions:
- Where the top tube and the down tube meet the head tube seems to differ on the red vs the mint on Sonders website - is the mint a V3 and the red a V2? Seems odd if not..
- anyone ever put a suspension fork on a Camino? Interested in making a Hook ADV/Orange X9 type bike but you know, not for 2.5k...
Cheers!
Anyone know when the Ti frames will be available to order?
Conflicting information on the site and Alpkit haven't replied to my email last week or online chat.
Looking to swap out the frame on my Space Chicken...
Pre Order should go live this month (no date given) with deliveries starting middle of next month.
So tempted to replace my V1 with a Ti.
What is clearance like? Any chance for a 26x2.3? Thx!
Was hoping for a despatch email today, got a we've been delayed by a week email. Fingers crossed.
Argh looks like it'll be a wait until March to even order the flat bar Camino that I've been eyeing up. Is there any realistic chance of getting one in the next 3 months?
I wouldn't get one, they're rubbish but ideal for teapot impressions
What drops are those @elshal?
Fairly certain I'm after a flat bar (I'll add bar ends) Your drops look really shallow though.
Standard LoveMud Bomber flared drops with the build. I bought the Apex1 hydraulic build in August 2017
I've had a bad knee for 6 years so not used my HT and this has been the only bike I've used since I bought it. The Riddler tyres are thorn magnets and the Apex1 rear derailleur can get "sticky' but other than that it's great.
Deliveries of frames look to have gone back a week but they are also not taking any more orders, looks like I might have got in just in time.
@karnali mine is either large or XL. Medium sadly too small. Really want the version of the fork you have with triple mounts.
Another wave has said to have landed this week, anybody got any new info? New builds to show off?