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This is my singlecross
Its horrid , its heavy , it rides horrible and wooden due to that crappy fork once you remove the stock 38c tires and its ugly - it was cheap and its done a heap of miles - on its third fixed wheel drive train as my commuter but i've tollerated it long enough. (10 years)
I want a new frame. I want a surly steamroller with mudguard and rack mounts..... for some unknown reason surly fit only a set of rear fender mounts.
The brother all day looks great except i want to run road brakes not V brakes.
What have you got , What do you recomend for my wants For the record i want a skinny tubing 120mm/130mm (i can space out my axle) spaced road bike(think audax) with guards and racks. Not an aluminium Track bike.
one solid colour preferably black with minimal graphics would be appreciated.... and I've had a roadrat before for a couple of years - sold it because i always felt like i was on top of the bike due to its "compact" design and my height.
god i miss the Preview function.
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Gensis Flyer? Not sure it's in the current line up, but your requirements are pretty specific, you'll not have a massive amount of choice.
edit - actually looks like you can buy a new one, but in a horrible minty green with whitewall tyres. Sure they could also sell you a rusty spoon to scoop out your eyeballs.
2nd edit - only a frame - didn't click that. That's the Flyer out, unless you buy the whole bike and flog the spare bits.
I've got a Tri-Cross in road format, no SS though....
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I have had quite a few steamroller frames and they are also heavy and ride with a fairly dead feeling. Look nice though, a lot nicer than a singlecross that is for sure and have nice handling..
i figured as much .
I guess i was spoilt . i had a re purposed 531 road bike that i ran with a 130mm surly Fixed hub and it rode brilliantly but was removed from my ownership by folk who didnt ask.
The singlecross is so incredibly ugly that no ones even done that !
i'm aware its a specific set of requirements and thus i'm struggling which is why i asked - made more complex by already having a nice set of 120mm fixed wheels - i seem to be limited to no mudguards and racks OR v brakes as most of the options are utility bikes rather than "road bikes"
a modified off the peg with a drop out upgrade from the likes of bob jackson audax could be a possibility although its alot of money for lugging and nice paint jobs that i really dont need.
i could trawl ebay for a frame i like that has slots and risk that i get a good one again....
and i come full circle back to the Brothercycles all day - does any one actually own one.... it sounds alot like a more featured surly - as the steamroller is lacking in bottle bosses as well - my concern is it weighs as much as a steamroller as its 4140 , its overbuilt to take offroading much like my singlecross which i believe is alot of the issue - along with the overly rigid fork.
MY singlecross is set up for road with 28c tires and 53;14 gearing - as i was using it for timetrialing over the summer. Will be going back to 48:16 shortly for winter commuting
Similarly slightly stumped. Want a new fixed for daily duties that can go anywhere.
Current daily commuter is a pig-iron chromoly frame picked up from a friend when my Crosscheck frame corroded just a bit too much to be comfortable with. Clearance is only just OK. Truth be told I never totally took to the Surly - it was certainly much better when I replaced the half-tonne Surly fork with a carbon CX canti fork - but the tyre clearance was ace, taking a 35c Landcruiser easily. Still feel a frame costing as much as that shouldn't corrode so easily but I didn't exactly treat it kindly.
The Surly replaced a Pearson (Touche?) which was a nicely put-together bike they don't appear to make any more.
What I really want is a Day One but you can only get the disc version. Bike to work scheme would make sense right now, rather than just buying a frame, although I do have a couple of wheelsets.
Everything I can see either has nothing in the way of tyre clearance or is disc-only or is an alu track bike. Woe is me.
Have you looked at Condor? Not cheap these days but a Tempo would fit the bill I think?
Had a Pista for nigh on 15 years, did tens of thousands of miles on it, but it rusted out earlier this year, swapped the frame and forks out for a s/h Genesis Flyer setup, which has the advantage of proper guards, but the ride quality is no where near that of the Condor
Highly modified Kona Paddy Wagon
Dolan Pre Cursa TT
Dolan Seta Track
Poyner 531 steel track - edgy due to geometry
Tactic Panache 16" folder - sub 8 kilos and a great riding position with Brompton luggage
I'll try and upload some pictures...
the tempo is what i think im looking for .
shame its discontinued
nice one in the clearance box if your a midget
Have you looked at Condor? Not cheap these days but a Tempo would fit the bill I think?
That just came to me too, beaten to it as usual! Really nice looking bike, I'd have one of those in the opposite braking circumstance - I want disks not rims.
If you want fixed, then any with a decent cross fork will provide clearance - you don't need a rear brake, remember. Kona Paddy Wagon is a lovely frame, shame they ditched the drop bars, but easily remedied for a modest charge.
My next frame will be bespoke. Just beacuse I want a TCR compact frame in high-end steel/Ti.
Spa are now doing an audax mono which sounds along the lines you are looking for and won't be too expensive. Haven't seen pics but assume it will look much like their audax frame but with track ends.
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s143p2828/SPA-CYCLES-Steel-Audax-Frame-and-Forks
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Now then ..... We might have a winner.
550 full bike by looks of it. Looks really nice -once you remove those gold scroll graphics.
Be even nicer if it was frame only as i have nice wheels and finishing kit ready to go on.
I suspect this may fit the bill. Trouble is, it's in Oz. A whole $800AUD.
Looks almost perfect.
Kicking myself I didn't get one while I was there a couple of months ago.
I'm not sure if you can get the Fuji Feather in this country, but they ride nicely - like a lightweight classic.
I fell off my DayOne on the way to work this morning. Big stick in the rear mudguard folded that up. Falling off as a consequence put a big hole in the knee of my tights. 🙁
we have a dayone in the house - its the wifes I'm not super taken by it . she replaced it with a tour de fer which is a much nicer bike to ride.
the feather - is a bit too old school looking and posh for me.
i have a long service bonus coming in at work shortly i think i might drop spa cycles an email and see if they plan to do frame only at any point.
An update to the Pompino has been promised by On-One.
I'd love to get an updated Pompino with a bit more clearance, discs and a carbon fork.
My current Pompino ( bought off here 8 months or so )
a pomp sprung to mind - id have taken a pomp if they were still available.
I like my Pompino, though it is quite heavy and slow. Not surprising as I have mudguard, rack, dynamo, heavy tyres etc, but still not a lightweight frame.
I'm now looking at the Dolan Fxe. Its more of a road bike style, should be lighter and faster, but still space for mudguards. And available in black.
i cant get my head round that FXE frame , it looks like a nasty catalogue frame rebranded.
ITs not a pretty frame at all
i get what its trying to be but the tubeshapes are just all wrong.
I had a Pompino many years ago. Again another heavy and dead feeling frame. I don't think cheap steel is actually worth bothering with and I would go for alu to save the weight as ride is not much different.
The nicest riding steel frame I had was an 80's 531C track frame - closely followed by a 1972 531 Mercian track frame. Should have kept both of them in hindsight.
yeah i dont expect a pomp would ride great - I do think that spa cycles audax that i was entirely unaware of might be the right answer.
I want a new frame. I want a surly steamroller with mudguard and rack mounts….. for some unknown reason surly fit only a set of rear fender mounts.
Found this - looks a bit more fun
https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s143p3709/BROTHER-CYCLES-The-Allday-Frameset
I mentioned that several times in my posts but it weighs over 3kg f+f it's still over built for what I need.
I love it especially in splatter but it's not the bike I feel I want my bike to be.
Dolan do a ‘grass track’ version of the Pre Cursa which is well thought of in the fixed gear community and it’ll fit 30mm tyres which is a bonus.
Other options could be a Mash Work/Cinelli Tutto?
I’ve had a Steamroller, which I loved, and also a Mash Parallax. Very different ends of the fixed gear spectrum but both excellent depending on what you like.
Well if you want Audax, then a Paddy Wagon will delight. Reasonably light frame and will take 28c tyres. Mine has Shimano deep drop brakes and P35 mudguards. I'd hapily ride a 200k audiax on it, and do rides of over 250 km on mine. The wheels are a bit heavy, so mine are custom.
You can pick up a used frame from Ebay for little.
My dad inexplicably bought one of these (he's 75) then moved to the top of a hill so has now bought something with gears. I take it out for a spin when I visit, really good fun. Clears 38c, takes V Brakes, just missing rackmounts really.
https://www.mashsf.com/news/mash/mash-steel-ss-frameset
Yeah if it had rack mounts. Those are a nice looking set of forks !
I like my Pompino, though it is quite heavy and slow. Not surprising as I have mudguard, rack, dynamo, heavy tyres etc, but still not a lightweight frame.
I commute everyday on a 2006 Il Pompino. Just stuck a new fork and disc brake on the front last week as I was fed up with lack of braking in the wet. It's not the lightest bike, but I love how it rides, great for hacking through traffic / town.
Toying with getting someone to weld on some disc mounts for the rear, so I can go full disc on it...
The Steamroller I had was lovely to ride, comfortable and it felt 'fast', like some frames do. I put mudguards on there using P-clips, I reckon you could put racks on the same way too
My slightly modded 1986 Dawes Stratos.
Not seeing much use these days but once it was my main do-it-all bike.
Still love it to the bits 😀
Toying with getting someone to weld on some disc mounts for the rear
How do disk brakes fare with track ends?
ermmm... Normally?
Used to have Inbred Slot Drop-Outs that was literary track ends with gear hanger. No issues whatsoever...
Surprised you get away with QR in track ends, I assumed it would slip under load.
How do disk brakes fare with track ends?
ermmm… Normally?
Well not really, those are special drop outs with brakes that can slide along with the axle. You have to have some kind of positional adjustment to get the pads tracking the disk properly.
kerley
I had a Pompino many years ago. Again another heavy and dead feeling frame...
Put a carbon fork on a Pomp and it's a whole different story. (But I've never run skinny tyres on them).
I've done quite a few centuries on mine and it's still one of my favourite bikes, especially for doing long rides like the Dingwall/Ledmore loop (125 miles). Plus you don't feel too guilty if you give them a beating, such as riding parts of the HT550 on them. 🙂
Another bonus in this part of the world is they'll take decent sized mudguards.
For feel the Fuji Feather should be nice. I had the Fuji Track which is more or less the same bike and it felt as good as my 531c Flying Scot. I wouldn't have parted with mine but my daughter wanted it when she outgrew her Pompino.
That one model year of the Charge Plug 1?
Aluminium, 120mm track ends, clearance for 40s AND guards, v-brake mounts, lovely pink paint job (also available in black). Builds up under 10kg with cheap heavy wheels, PDW guards and bog standard parts elsewhere.
Well not really,
Really, not an issue. They are not special. Track end plus slider for re-positioning caliper once you tensioned the chain.
Obviously brazing/welding disc adaptor with slide-ability is not much different to brazing/welding one without.
Cheers!
I.
Why are people discussing rear disc brakes on a fixed gear thread? A rear brake is superfluous let alone a disc brake.
Put a carbon fork on a Pomp and it’s a whole different story.
Different strokes I guess, just as people who like Steamrollers. Nothing wrong with them but I prefer light and responsive frames which to many would be probably put in the uncomfortable category. I also only do 2-3 hour rides at the longest.
My preference is alu track frames which are obviously not built for road comfort and usually have substantial seat stays compared to a road frame.
Why are people discussing rear disc brakes on a fixed gear thread?
Well the original question has been answered so it's wandered off topic, but yeah, I'll shut up now. 🤐
Why are people discussing rear disc brakes on a fixed gear thread? A rear brake is superfluous let alone a disc brake.
Because fixed down any sort of sustained hill is bolex and a rear brake makes a big difference? A sensible consideration if you live anywhere hilly.
Not a fixie but a singlespeed.
Powder coated pompetamine. It was my commuter but a stuck broken seatpost left me without transport. Bought a 2nd hand Cotic Roadrat to tide me over and prefer it for commuting duties - feels more nimble.
Sneaky stealth ad as this is for sale. In Newcastle or driving down the A1/M1 to Surrey at some point over xmas 😉
pedant here, but technically rear facing dropouts aren't always track. Their length matters. Proper track ends allow the selection of a range of chainring/sprocket combinations without changing the chain. My Dolans are much longer (2") than my Paddy Wagon (1"). I can change one tooth on the PW, but that is about it. And of course there is the issue of mudguard rub.
Because fixed down any sort of sustained hill is bolex and a rear brake makes a big difference? A sensible consideration if you live anywhere hilly.
Fair enough if you live in thee mountains I suppose and the front disc is not good enough. Saying that, if I lived in the mountains I probably wouldn't ride a fixed gear bike which is a hard thing for me to say.
I have a pinnacle monzonite on fixed, bought to replace a langster which was a bit to sporty for me. Takes guards and larger tyres although I only use 25c ones.
Nice steel frame, changed the wheels, saddle and brake levers for stuff I already had. Bike itself was only c£250 very good value. I had been looking for similar to a day one and this ticks all the boxes for me.
info for anyone that cares.
Audax Mono - late march delivery on the frameset.
MUST NOT BUY COMPLETE BIKE AND STRIP IT !
rear facing dropouts
So... not dropouts then 😉
Three brakes on fixed is underrated. I did Paris-Roubaix on this:
And now I'm sad - the Paddy Wagom is dead. Kona have dropped it for 2020 🙁 . OK mine is 2007, my most ridden bike and only the frame and brake levers are original, but it is just a wonderful ride. In fact lookign at their web page, all their steel road bikes are gone. Gravel is clearly king.
Fair enough if you live in thee mountains I suppose and the front disc is not good enough. Saying that, if I lived in the mountains I probably wouldn’t ride a fixed gear bike which is a hard thing for me to say.
Out of interest, where do you ride if 23mm tyres and fixed gears work off road?
I did Paris-Roubaix on this:
I've done Tour of Flanders 86 miler twice on my DayOne. Did the new length 107 miles this year, bailed to gears and don't regret the decision one bit!
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Out of interest, where do you ride if 23mm tyres and fixed gears work off road?
The New Forest. Singletrack is about 100 metres from my house and gravel roads start at about a mile away. I can ride off road because the off road is so tame and while undulating there are not many long steep hills but I do ride with a 60 inch gear which is clearly very low for a fixed gear and I can't even attempt to stay with road riders on road sections but great on gravel.
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Three brakes on fixed is underrated. I did Paris-Roubaix on this:
That's tidy. Reminds me of this http://www.63xc.com/sriley/pompriley.htm
@hopster what's that frame? Looks just right with Chater Lea. 🙂
Well not really, those are special drop outs with brakes that can slide along with the axle.
Pretty sure they're not (you're thinking of sliding or rocker dropouts), they're just track ends with slotted IS mounts, same as on my Longitude. Works absolutely fine.
i cant get my head round that FXE frame , it looks like a nasty catalogue frame rebranded. ITs not a pretty frame at all. i get what its trying to be but the tubeshapes are just all wrong.
I'm with you on that. Plus it's heavy and has needlessly compromised tyre clearance (though it will still *just* fit GP4000 28s which are about 30mm). I think it looks better with some extra paint, though, and it's still for sale cheap if you fancy a punt on something that doesn't really fit your criteria 🙂
My renovated bob Jackson(sold on)
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I also second the Kona band wagon very comfy mine is 2010 version
Paddywagons a nice bike but I don't want another Kona. My tourer is a rove Al
My cargo bike is a sutra with an extra cycle.
That bob Jackson is lovely I do like his work but I struggle with using it as a beater. This bike lives in the garden ready to rock and roll
Pretty sure they’re not (you’re thinking of sliding or rocker dropouts),
*sigh - I said I was going to leave it, but here I am again. I understood the
Actually, no **** it. I'm not getting sucked in. Have a great weekend, may your tracknuts remain torqued.
@epicyclo. Thought it was a Flying Scot but the frame numbers don't match up so gave up. Tried Classic rendezvous for identifying and some of the members were really helpful. More pics here of the bike before and after. The only parts I paid someone else to work on were the chroming of the cranks and the frame respray, everything else was done by me including the lug lining.
Lovely looking bike. Stick up a few more pics here - I'm not the only one here who appreciates the clean lines of a proper bike.
BTW where did you get the rechroming done?
I rode this as a fixie for a while, it was hard work though, especially downhill and over anything remotely technical. I've switched it back to a freehub now though.
it was hard work though,
Not surprised, its about 5 sizes too small looking at that stem and seat post 🙂
Take the brakes off if you want to get some really hard work.
Take the brakes off if you want to get some really hard work.
Brakeless fixie not on the track It's like an idiot badge for cyclists really.
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Condor tempo fixie which replaced a slightly too big kona paddy wagon. Rides nicely and looking to do some Audax next year.
Brakeless fixie not on the track It’s like an idiot badge for cyclists really.
All depends where you live and ride and if you are capable of riding one really.
All depends where you live and ride and if you are capable of riding one really.
But for the subset of “not on the track” that’s ”on the road”, though, it’s still illegal and less able to stop quickly than one with a front brake, no matter how much more awesome the rider is than law-abiding people 😉
It is VERY marginally slower to stop in the dry (and quicker than a novice bike rider with 2 brakes)
If that makes me awesome then fair enough, I am pretty good at riding a fixed gear bike after 20 years of doing so if I do say so myself.
As for law abiding, not really sure for the gravel and single track I mostly ride on.
I find it mindboggling what laws folk will break for a purely aesthetic reason.
I wore rims out in 18 months on my Fixed commuter, with leg braking. No way would I not have three brakes in town traffic.
It is VERY marginally slower to stop in the dry
If we're comparing outright capacity to stop then physics would disagree, unless you have a rather loose definition of "very" or "marginally".
As for law abiding, not really sure for the gravel and single track I mostly ride on.
If it's a public right of way then it's a public highway and the law about having a front brake applies.
@kerley 🙂
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You will notice his lack of brake there, he know's what he is doing.
If we’re comparing outright capacity to stop then physics would disagree, unless you have a rather loose definition of “very” or “marginally”.
All depends if you have tested it or not I suppose. I have which is what my statement is based on.
I also qualified my first statement with "All depends where you live and ride"
Where I live and ride there are no pedestrians, no roundabouts, no pavements, no traffic lights, no crossings and very few junctions and most of my riding is not even on the road. Other than stopping to open gates I can't recall actually having to come to a complete stop at any time this year.
However, if I rode through towns I would have a front brake as I wouldn't take the risk on an extra metre of stopping distance.
I find it mindboggling what laws folk will break for a purely aesthetic reason.
Yep, it is hard being an aesthete sometimes. At least I think that is what people are shouting at me.
You will notice his lack of brake there, he know’s what he is doing.
Dude's saddle is on backwards and his socks don't look UCI compliant to me.
Beast of a gear he's riding though.
Keep meaning to take a pic when of mine, though it's not that special....OG blue Pompino with mismatched yellow Planet X forks.
In fact the most interesting thing about are the brakes - Magura CX jobs, HS66s. Probably worth more than the rest of the bike!
Done 200 miles on it the last couple of weeks. 45 miles on a fixie running a 50x18 round hilly East Devon is good exercise!
Leg braking a grown-up gear is hard on the legs Kerley (I'll slow my speed with the legs but never skid stop) - we all know pedalling fixed builds mighty knees, but persistent hard skid stopping is a recipe for injury IMO (chronic at that). It's putting a lot of force through the lower quad in a poorly controlled / stable way.
All depends if you have tested it or not I suppose
yeah i believe it was tested in controlled conditions for the courts from 14mph the results were 4ft on the bike with 2 brakes and 40 ft for the fixed wheel bike.