[Closed] scottoiler ultimate bike spray... anyone using it?

No. Seems pricey.

BikeRadar managed to not test it, and just regurgitate a press release.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/ultimate-bike-solution-from-scottoiler-just-in-42506/

Haven't usd that particular brand but there semm to be a variety of similar water based products around.
Have used a few on the roadbike and they do seem top stop the crud sticking, one in particular worked well as a cleaner/finisher - and it smells of bananas
http://www.duck-smart.com/index.php/2013-04-30-20-30-11/bike-ezee

Duck-smart looks like showroom shine off of those shopping channels.
Interested in the no degreasing element of the OP's question.

im not. Ive used the fs365 on motorbikes before and its ok but it coveres everything in a residue. i cant see it being good for bikes that your manhandling about. Like spraying everything in wd40

I use it in my Scottoiler on the work bike, because they stopped selling the original Scottoiler lube. It seems like the same stuff, and does the job OK, keeping my chain cleaner than conventional lube. I don't know how it would perform as standalone spray on lube.

im not. Ive used the fs365 on motorbikes before and its ok but it coveres everything in a residue. i cant see it being good for bikes that your manhandling about. Like spraying everything in wd40

Back in the day I used to use the FS365. Still not sure if it did anything other than stink if you got some on the exhaust.

Having seen the threads about Ultimate Bike Spray I am going to try some FS365 on my mountain bike and see what it's like, I haven't thought about using it before. I have used it on motorbikes in the past and it worked well although it did seem to wash off really easily and you had to keep on top of reapplying it.

Ultimate Bike Spray must just be FS365 in a different bottle which is more expensive for less, make of that what you will!

Aha, didn't realise the UBS claimed to be a lube as well as a dirt shedder/cleaner - can't seem to find anyhting online about it which isn't a rejigged press release, which I think is often a bad sign.

If it is FS365 rebadged, which I am sure of, it contains a small amount of oil hence the lubrication claims and the advice to keep it away from brakes. I'll try it out this weekend and report back.

I use the ultimate bike spray on several of my bikes.
It is NOT FS365 rebadged.

UBS works well. Cleaning the chain after a mucky ride just requires a soft brush and tap water (from a hose). It differs from the FS365 in that it needs a brush to clean it off the chain.

FS365 is still my spray of choice for protecting the bike after hosing it down (I reserve the UBS for the chain).

KCR - FS365 is the same stuff as the original chain lube used in the bicycle Scottoiler.
(which differs again from the motorcycle chain lubes)

StirlingCrispin that's interesting, so UBS is the same as the blue oil that goes in the Scottoiler itself?

I have some of the original Scottoiler blue chain lube in my garage too so I will check that out. I haven't used it on my motorbikes when I stopped commuting on them but I have got plenty of it left.

Yeah ignore all that - just re-read Stirling's post properly! Idiot at the best of times Monday morning more so 😳

So how is the make up of UBS different to FS365?

There's only one way to find out so I've just ordered some UBS to try. 🙂

ok heres my question.

I understand the reason for spraying the bike in some form of water dispersing type product. something like silicone spray as it stops things sticking to it. However something like fs365 is oily and so all sorts of crap is going to stick to your bike is it not? I can see it being beneficial to keep things running smoothly but as a frame coating i dont get it. Also i wonder what the effect is on seals.

It looks good if it does what it says it does... As Jamie says it is pricey but may be worth a shot...

I started using it about a month or so ago, best lube I've used. No gunking up and I've been shocked how well it seems to stay put, for a water based, on wet rides.

I only use it on the chain/cassette not all over. I spray it on after hosing the bike down then a again before I ride and it's been great.

Get the 750mm spray for £10 delivered it's the same stuff as in the 50ml!

So let's get this straight. This stuff is a lube and cleaner, which you spray on a freshly degreased bike. After that, you just rinse your bike after a ride, then reapply on your moving metal bits?

Sounds ace, but my only issue is if it really works this well, then why isn't every man and his dog using it? Why do none of the big stores have it as a stock item? Why is there no reviews, other than a few press releases mentioned above?

Squirt on chain.

Water to wash bike (chain and cassette will come up shiny thanks to the Squirt)

Optional, furniture polish spray & wipe on frame surfaces as a protective coat and replant. Smells nice, and it's cheap.

End of

Never bothered spraying it on the rest of the bike apart from the rear mech now and then so can't comment on it's magical cleaning properties but it does seem to be a very good lube.

That's interesting, I didn't know the original yellow Scottoiler Active Fluid was still selling under a different name.

I like the Scottoiler on my work bike because it takes more abuse from the road conditions than the MTB chain gets offroad, and the Scottoiler UBS prevents the build up of dirt that you get with a traditional oily lube.

On the MTB I have been using Pro Gold, which has been a revelation. I originally bought it to lubricate road race bikes, tried it on the MTB as an experiment, and found that it performs really well on very long rides in wet and muddy conditions. It's a very thin, low viscosity fluid which looks as if it will last about 5 minutes off road, but it just seems to keep working, and performs better than a sticky wet lube.

kcr - Scottoiler Active Fluid is the same as FS365 (I know this because the former rep told me).
I was never entirely convinced - but I happily run FS365 in my AFS (9-speed only unfortunately).

The motorbike chain lube is different (designed to fling). That said I know a former British masters MTB champion who happily used the motorbike stuff on his mtb.

The UBS is different again - nano-particles and other such magic.

FS365 is a rust-inhibitor - it's extremely effective at this. It also lubes because water is a lubricant (I also know the guy who did his masters thesis on this!). It does also help keep the bike clean and it does bring the bike up in a lovely protective shine.

For a bike cleaner you want to use TS52 (I think it's called that). Very effective - a few drops on a soft brush goes a long way. My wee demo bottle lasted for years!

The technical guys at Scottoiler are really helpful. If you have any questions I'd suggest emailing them, or posting on their Facebook page.

(Disclaimer - I used to get given Scottoiler stuff to test and destroy to help with product development. I still use Scottoiler stuff today even though I have to pay for it!)

Thanks for the information StirlingCrispin, very useful. 🙂

yep, good info, gonna have to try some 🙂

Brilliant stuff this especially for a lazy arse like me 🙂

Get the 750mm spray for £10 delivered it's the same stuff as in the 50ml!

Highly recommended; having tried most lubes and degreasers over the years. Why take two bottles into the shower??

How long does it last then?

A question STW Towers might know, seeing as they had some in to review last year.

http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fresh-goods-friday-142/

I almost impulse bought some, but still cannot shake the feeling if it's been out for a year or so, how come it has zero market presence.

Edit: If Scottoiler's Google Alerts is working properly, and they are reading this, I would be more than happy to try a free sample on the me CX bike and be able to give an impartial review 😉

@stirlingcrispin thanks for that...may just try it out for chain/cassette lube only, im never arsed about how clean the rest of my bike is anyway.

FS365 was shit unfortunately, I wanted to like it- I bought a 5 litre bottle! But it didn't last at all, then along came ACF50 and you basically had to be a muppet to use the FS365 after that.

I emailed Scottoiler to point them to this (and the other threads). They got back to me and explained that the amount of time they used to spend on forums became unmanageable - ideal STW candidates I would say! Anyway, they were happy for their reply to be posted...

'Thank you for the email and the heads up about the points being raised on the forum.

We would love to be able to spend time on forums answering all the questions put forward but due to the amount of forums out there in both the motorcycle and cycle worlds its simply not possible for us to do so.

However we do love to engage with the public through Facebook and Twitter, especially to answer queries or give more information.

Here are links to both channels https://twitter.com/scottoilerubs https://www.facebook.com/scottoiler

We have tried to put as much information as we can onto our website www.ultimatebikesolution.com and there are also some useful videos on our youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/Scottoilers

UBS has been a pretty recent addition to the Scottoiler range and we have sent samples to many media outlets with the promise of reviews but as yet we are still waiting for them to be published.

Regards
Kev
Kevin Rooney
Sales, Marketing and Export Manager'

I think the problem is that a company can put out as much info as they like, but people want to hear of others experiences before spending what is a fair wedge on a cleaning product.

BS has been a pretty recent addition to the Scottoiler range and we have sent samples to many media outlets with the promise of reviews but as yet we are still waiting for them to be published.

As I linked above, STW got sent it over a year ago. Odd no follow up, unless it's hidden in the archive somewhere.

I'll post a review once I've received mine...

I'd be interested to hear how it get's on too. Usualy I just wipe the frame and rims with whatever is to hand, stuff like GT85/WD40 seems to work well but washes off, oily rag and chain lube lasts longer but is oily if you have to lift the bike over stuff, silicone spray is somewhere between the two, cheap car wax lasts untill you wash it off, but isn't anywhere near as effective.

Tempted to try this, seems to keep the boat clean and definately doesn't wash off!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/STARBRITE-Premium-Marine-Polish-PTEF/dp/B003IZVBU2

BS has been a pretty recent addition to the Scottoiler range

Freudian slip?

I use the (now discontinued) scottoiler system on my commuting bikes and it works great. Used to fill it with the Active Fluid until the FS365 came out. I had initially emailed them asking if they sold bigger bottles of the active fluid than the 250ml and was advised to use the FS365 as it was the same stuff. Then when they released the UBS in large bottles I used that instead because a tenner for 750ml seems pretty good value when a tiny bottle of finish line is about 4 or 5 quid.
My experience of it is that it seems to lube the chain well and last ages between applications (i apply using the scottoiler system only about twice every 15 or 20 miles and even then its only through habbit, the chain isn't dry or raspy).
Before I used the scottoiler if the bike was stored away for a few weeks the chain would inevitably have a wee spot of rust on it even if lubed but the scottoiler seems to prevent this, the UBS being the best so far.
I contacted scottoiler about spares when i needed them and enquired why the oiler system was no longer available. Apparently they are working on a new one that doesn't require the squeezy squid thing as people didn't like having to remember to press it and thought it was a faff - it really isn't, much less hasstle than manually lubing the chain.)
The UBS keeps the chain clean, rust free and easy to clean, no build up of black gunk. I'd advise using a small bottle for application and just putting it on the links of the chain as spraying it will just use more than required.
If they introduce a new oiler system then I would recommend it to anyone that commutes regularly. Just my 2p.

p.s.
old oiler does look a bit rubbish with the tubes etc but hopefully the new model will work on this.

just got an automatic email from them, 2 bottles of the 750ml UBS is currently £15.98 instead of £19.96

Oooh! So £16 on an unknown quantity 😀

It's only an unknown quantity to naysayers 🙂

I shall be getting some more, so there.

Do you use it then? If so, how long does it last, and does it work as advertised?

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Cool!

Excuse the cut and paste from another thread...

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I don't really understand how it works, and my scepticism is not yet fully overcome, but when I come back from riding in the filth and wet, the drivetrain does clean up a treat with just water, and I have no rust on it, so it seems to be doing something right.

[b]How does it work if it washes off with water? Surely your drivetrain will just be lube free at the first sight of rain? Or puddles.[/b]

I asked the same question of the fellas that recommended it to me, and they reckon it builds up over time. I'll carry on with it for a while yet. I'd say I'm fairly impressed so far.

 

I'll add to that, that when I run my fingers along the chain I can feel that it is lightly lubricated.

I'm going to decant it from the big spray bottle into a squeeze one to make applying it to the chain neater. I put a wee bit on/in the shifters too, and the mechs.

just got an automatic email from them, 2 bottles of the 750ml UBS is currently £15.98 instead of £19.96

£13.58 with the code UBSXMAS2014

Scotoiler has a fantastic reputation in the motorcycling world for well thought out quality products - I have a scotoiler on my CBF1000 and I reckon its saved me double its cost in chains/sprockets

Didn't know they did this UBS stuff but will buy some now I do. Their marketing is very good on the motorcycle side so i'm surprised they haven't done much with this

Does the relationship between advertising spend and product exposure exist in the motorcycling world?

Dunno but they normally have a nice scotoiler stand in most destination bike shops

Sod it - £13.58 pushed me over the edge 🙂
I guess I'll report back after a couple of weeks.

I normally use Rock and Roll Extreme on the chain, but have struggled to find something I like for general mechs/etc. Not a fan of GT85.

I also succumbed to the 15% off.

....or rather I thought I did. Made a hasty order yesterday, via PayPal, and on checking just now, it seems I have been sent a purchase order rather than a receipt.

2 x 750ml = unknown quantity

You can't educate pork.

Well done. You saw a microscopically tiny gap, and you went for it.

"How does it work if it washes off with water? Surely your drivetrain will just be lube free at the first sight of rain? Or puddles."

If your chain is wet with water it is lubed - because water is a lubricant.

The original FS365 is a water-based rust inhibitor. And this is why the AFS allowed you to reapply on the move: splash through a puddle to clean the chain and then re-lube by squeezing the squid when the trail dries out a bit.

The UBS is different - it is water-soluble but needs a soft-brush to remove it from the chain. This is also why they supply the 50ml dropper bottle, which means you can relube if you're 50km from home and have been scrubbing the chain on wet heather all day before the sun comes out.

On Tuesday night's mucky ride I sprayed the singlespeed with UBS before setting out. Then rode for a couple of hours through the muck, drank a couple of beers and then cycled home in the rain. On parking the bike in the shed I sprayed the chain with UBS. With geared bike I'd have sprayed the frame with FS365 too.

I used to have to spend every weekend degreasing my drivetrain - but now I just use a brush and water and do it in a couple of minutes. My dermatitis has cleared up too!

To be fair to Scottoiler, bicycles are such a tiny part of their market (1 in 10 UK motorbikes have a Scottoiler system on them, and BMW offer BMW-branded Scottoiler kits!) that we aren't really worth the marketing effort.

Some times the obvious answer is the only answer.
But,
for a how-long-is-a-piece-of-string type question such as "how long does it last"
Its possibly more of a how long will it last on Jamie's bike in the conditions of rain, snow, mud, etc that Jamie uses his bike in, type of question?

But, how are we going to find that out?

Mine has arrived.. Going to degrease old black gunk off of it then apply....
Hoping for a gunk free drivechain for winter.

That's what I was advised, did it in a bottle of white spirit.

Yes white spirit bottle shaker is my preferred method.

Mine is coming tomorrow, which is not to shabby as we only just got the payment snafu sorted out today. I have some fenwicks knocking about, which is going in a old 500ml water bottle with a chain and shaken beforehand 8)

Anyone got a link to the offer?

its in the online shop, 2bottles for £xx then apply the discount code on checkout.

Motorcyclist's definition of a posh person- someone who uses scottoil in their scottoiler.

My 2 bottles just arrived.
Just in time for cleaning the bike after last night's sloppy mudfest of a ride!

My 2 bottles also arrived.

Sadly, one didn't make it.

RIP, Little Buddy ....he never stood a chance 🙁

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its in the online shop, 2bottles for £xx then apply the discount code on checkout.

Cheers, found it on the desktop, it didn't show up on the mobile site.

What's the difference between this and squirt? Not initialy planning on using it on the drivechain, just for keeping the mud from sticking to the rest of the bike.

How does it work if it washes off with water? Surely your drivetrain will just be lube free at the first sight of rain? Or puddles.

Lube on the surface doesn't matter much. It's inside the rollers that counts as that's where the wear actually occurs. Rain and puddles won't flush that out normally, though oil on the outer surface will suck crud in and grind away.

Thus I suggest... Squirt. Or any similar decent wax based lube, but this one is very effective. Surface is just wax so doesn't suck crud though flakes off as you ride, but inside the wax stays in place for longer.

Though you may get rust spots on the surface, but it doesn't matter. Disappears next ride, or just reapply tiny amount of squirt.

Is there a way to change the site so it bills in gbp rather than dollars?

Pick the correct flag on the homepage?

Is there a way to change the site so it bills in gbp rather than dollars?

..or follow this link:

http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Cycle.html

so just degreased my chain, and then applied it to the frame and my chain on my DH bike...its now sparkly clean so lets see what the minging conditions of gawton bring tomorrow!!

1st impressions are that the spray makes it use a lot more than necessary and if you are not careful it will get on the discs, so for the frame etc i may just coat a sponge and wipe over, I decanted some into an old empty finishline bottle for the chain application, worked well.

fwiw i only get dollars to look at too, even on the uk flag and again following jamie's link...

1st impressions are that the spray makes it use a lot more than necessary and if you are not careful it will get on the discs, so for the frame etc

I noticed that, especially outside if it's a bit windy. Goes everywhere. I put some plastic bags over my rotors/calipers, but reckon it still went on there. I assume, theoretically, it'll wash off any spots tomorrow on the first puddle....which I guess means all the rest gets washed off as well...erm...I still don't get how this works 😀

Anyway, going to decant some into a little bottle for dribbling onto the chain, and top marks to Scottoiler for getting me a replacement bottle in the post. Hopefully this one won't look like it was treated like a football.

Applied mine inside the house.... It's now dripped the floor (luckily tiled), yes the whole it washes off pads and discs with water but makes a decent chain lubricant don't make any sense to my tiny mind.. Still it's worth a punt.

You can set the nozzle to accurate spray as well as indiscriminate spray, but I've done the same and reverted to using a drip bottle to apply it to the chain at the pedal end. My mate puts it on his stanchions too, but I'm sticking with fork juice for that just now.

For those interested, I bought one of these for 99p for the chain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261518895458

Must be a cookie thing. I could only make it go to gbp by going into incognito mode. Cheers for the code btw.

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Did as instructed, and just rinsed afterwards with water...well, maybe a bit of mild sponge action. In use, and after a few puddles, things did feel ok I guess.

I should add round my way the mud is very sticky.

So far it seems to be identical to Muc Off Bike Spray to me. It makes my anodised finish look really nice (presumably PTFE), but I've never considered using Bike Spray as a general drive chain lube before, so I guess I'll persevere.

Still monitoring.

I ended up surfing instead of riding so it's going to get tested tomorrow morning...

So I tried it today. Firstly its a pain to apply to the frame without getting drips onto the disc if you have to manhandle the bike out of your house like I have to... So sponge technique from on! It didn't contaminate it to bad though as I rinsed it off with water/rag it just made the brake a bit crap for my 1st descent then it squealed a bit then went back to normal operating after 5mins.
Got filthy dirty on a ride.
Quick rinse with the hose and it's sparkly and clean no sponge/brush needed. The drivechain remains absolutely gunk free which was the main reason for purchasing it, and it was quiet and squeak free whilst riding.

So overall I like it. I can't see me swapping back to normal lubes anytime soon.

Another update.

Really claggy muddy ride today, well a section of it was. Got back and rinsed off with a hosepipe and a bit of mild agitation. Everything came up lovely. Really nice not to have to deal with the black paste/old lube I used to get with Finish Line wet. In use the drivetrain seems to run well, not excessively noisy etc.

I do think I need to be careful of the spray, as I reckon you could go through it very quickly if you're not careful. I am doing the chain with a little dropper bottle, so that should conserve some liquid.

That aside, very impressed still.

Would agree with Jamie. I've used it in some claggy mud and my chain is 100% black gunk free... Looks like new in fact.
Like Jamie I use a dropper to apply to chain and sponge for applying to the frame so it doesn't spray over discs etc.
I've already bought another 2 bottles with the discount code.
Loving the stuff

I have used Scotioler for 5 + years, I have found it is amazing stuff, drivechain is shiny, reduced wear (I only just changed the chain on my canyon strive , its 2 + years old and was only just stretched. )

I fs 365 every ride, it sounds expensive but £15 for a 5 litre bottle usually lasts me 6 months, chains are far more expensive and limited time cleaning

I've just seen this:

http://enduro-mtb.com/en/scottoiler-ultimate-bike-solution/

Seems they've won some award with the UBS Stuff.... tried it myself towards the end of last year and gotta say it seems to work pretty well, haven't had it for long enough to say anything about long-term but so far my bike looks better than ever! 🙂

Picked this up myself, not tried it in anger yet, but good to hear the feedback

Does anyone who's gone from rock n roll lubes to this have any comments? I use rnr and find my drivetrain stays fairly clean after reapplying lube and rubbing it over with a cloth does this stuff do the job any better? Also how is longevity and performance while out riding?