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No actual figures given.
see 21 Annex 1 - Brake Performance
If the person on his motorbike rides it 10 feet in public without breaking any other laws what is the perp going down for?
I’m thinking uninsured , unregistered , what else? Are we looking at a ban?
I often see this burke in my local woods riding a hideous B52 ebike/escooter. He clearly hasn't a clue as he's got slicks on it and must struggle as 90% of the wood is mud.
Watched up until the bit where the fat guy was saying "what's the difference between this and a pushbike" before accelerating to over 20mph without pedalling.
Complete bell-ends.
Unisured does all sorts of 'interesting' things to your premium at renewal time, if you can get a company to quote.
He said at one point he doesn't drive. Do 6 points go on provisional if you don't actually have a licence?
i know someone who had 6 points 'waiting' for him and his provisional license, following a driving misdemeneaur..ban and fines, before even having a license.
DrP
I received a court summons for no insurance when I was a lot younger. Smashed my M/C up and was borrowing a friends when I was pulled over. I was a young ignorant fool.
I received 6 points for no insurance and around a £400 fine. This was in 1988/9 I think.
I went to get insured next time around and feared the worst but insurer said it doesn't affect the premium at all because I was buying insurance.
I think if you don't have a license and get awarded points for a motoring offence, they appear on your licence whenever you decide to get one.
"No actual figures given."
see 21 Annex 1 – Brake Performance
I stand corrected, however, from there:
Any braking system will be considered to have met the performance requirements if
more than half the wheels lock.
How you effectively check the front wheel locks on a 2 wheeled vehicle without crashing it is a question?
I went to get insured next time around and feared the worst but insurer said it doesn’t affect the premium at all because I was buying insurance.
Things have definitely changed since the 80s in that case. Putting a driving without insurance disclosure on your insurance is a sure way to get (rightly) hammered by the premium
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Apart from the fact its about 3 times the weight of an enduro bike it also looks like the weight is concentrated quite high in the frame and the HA are pretty steep.
I am gonna enjoy overtaking one of these down the blue at QECP on my Bird if one ever shows up there.
If the numpties riding them had any brains they'd just go night riding. That'd be excellent F** with the stupid great lights and no people around to moan at you!
Having just watched the start of the vid again a couple of other observations:
- The actual 'urban' riding is awful, wrong way up the road, up onto the pavement etc.
- The fella that he meets with has a terrible attitude, especially as he identifies himself as being 58 years old. He definitely made a passive aggressive pass of the mother and child on the cattle grid. It was like watching a gammon grooming session, the young lad seemed to be influenced by him in a 'trying to fit in with the older kids' responses.
Fat bloke made it look like a mini moto.
Well he’s getting it on the comments on that original vid. Almost as many thumbs down as up, good work everyone.
Fwiw I’m pretty near to Swinley and I think I saw one of these on my local (MOD owned) trails. Was certainly doing way more than 15mph uphill. Given that the MOD are looking for any excuse to get ALL riding banned on their land, this type of thing is exactly the justification they need.
These sort of threads repeat every few weeks;
Walkers don't like cyclist
Cyclist don't like Ebikes
Cyclists don't like Emotorbikes
Cyclists don't like motorbikes
Horsey people don't like cyclists and vice versa.
Cyclists have a HUGE variety of places to cycle, emotorbikes and motorcyclists don't.
The problem isn't gonna go away, and not everyone is so trail precious or understanding of the potential damage as some of us are.
They all get tarred with the same brush, which isn't fair.
But obviously everyone should ride unassisted bikes and if they don't they are wrong hey!
jake123
These sort of threads repeat every few weeks
Motorbikes on purpose built MTB trails is what this is about. Maybe you should read before posting the usual clichéd-say-nothing-rubbish.
But obviously everyone should ride unassisted bikes and if they don’t they are wrong hey!
Its a motorcycle. Its no different to me rocking up in a Tesla and hooning about, then claiming it's a go cart.
emotorbikes and motorcyclists don’t.
Maybe they do - maybe they don't. I don't really know..
BUT riding them on trails built specfically for BICYCLES is NOT the place to be taking these machines. Particularly on trails which are so popular with newbies i.e. families & young kids. It's reckless, dangerous & harming to the fragile relationship that the MTB community has at places like Swinley.
1st rule of life!
1st rule of life!
don't get caught? 😉
I hope he and his mate haven’t discovered Chobham Common yet.
don’t get caught?
Nah - "Don't be a d1ck".....but I'm sure you know that - don't you?...
What is funny, in his vids he’s sitting there contemplating if there are any trails nearby, unaware there are several unofficial ones right next to him.
Cyclists don’t like Emotorbikes
Cyclists don’t like motorbikes
Cyclists have no issue with motorbikes, they have problems with dickheads riding them on mtb trails
Cyclists have a HUGE variety of places to cycle, emotorbikes and motorcyclists don’t
That's a good point and the reason I don't own a skidoo or an emoto then moan I've got no snow to use the skidoo or anywhere to ride my emoto.
On that vid that TINAS posted (@ 6min 05), he readily identifies it "an electric dirtbike" and acknowledges that it's not legal to ride on the road unless registered. That was January that vid was uploaded, so clearly happy to ride it illegally on the road, and be shall we be generous and say, 'flexible' with his interpretation of what it is.
I think he's getting the benefit of the doubt from many on here on the strength that he's not F'ing & Blinding and sounds a bit 'Tim-nice-but-dim'.
No actual figures given. If a brake can do the Mega, I’d personally find it acceptable on one of these. (Subject to riding it legally and not being a ****, obvs.)
It's a different level of braking though. On an MTB 20mph is fast, there's maybe 3 bits of Swinely that are above that (25, and the last couple of propper bits of the blue?) If you find a road decent and hit 30mph+ it starts to take a LONG time to slow down.
30mph, a motorbike will stop on a sixpence. Even a dirtbike with big where and small brakes.
has anyone reported them yet?
Dunno but he seems pleased by the promotion the vid is getting.
Wrong sized wheels altogether. On that count alone those things should be banned.😂
Yeah, right. But only 15 seconds slower (6%) on a 4 min lap than a 250cc motorcross bike.
I’m going to call bullshit on this - I’ve briefly ridden one of these Sur-ron things and, even with me on board, there’d be far more than 15 seconds difference round a one mile track compared to a 250 KTM. The proper bike would out accelerate it, out brake it, out handle it, beat it on top end speed - there’s no question about any of this.
The next episode of surron action is up and already getting a a kicking. The guys a complete tool
If you find a road decent and hit 30mph+ it starts to take a LONG time to slow down.
Eh? I can stop my mtb at least as quick as my motorcycle from 30+ mph Tandem due to its long wheelbase stops much quicker
Christ there are some tools in the comments on the latest video.
They look like they are having fun.
As illegal as an unrestricted Ebike I suppose!
Well, the Sur-Ron fails all three legal requirements. Power output, top speed for assistance and not having a throttle over walking speed. So fails EAPC rules to a greater extent.
Its pretty clear that only proper law enforcement is going to stop him, he's not going to listen to anyone else.
The next episode of surron action is up and already getting a kicking. The guys a complete tool
Not posted any footage of use on the road this time.
'Is that a motorbike?' says a lady...'no it's electric' 🙄
Weapon grade 🛎🔚.
If he hasn’t been reported then he sure as F needs to be.
Have Swinley bike hub or the rangers had anything to say on the matter yet?
They obviously know what they are doing is illegal and not the correct place to ride them, but I suppose they think it's just a little naughtiness rather than pissing off lots of people and don't care about anyone else or potential rights of access conflicts.
Either way the youtuber is a tool, but the guy he's with is a complete cock, especially with his kid about on one too.
Its pretty clear that only proper law enforcement is going to stop him
That or him stacking it which having seen him struggle down some not amazingly hard sections I am surprised hasnt happened yet.
Let's all just hope that he has an OTB. I imagine as those bikes way an absolute ton it could do some right damage to him if it landed on top of him.
That or him stacking it which having seen him struggle down some not amazingly hard sections I am surprised hasnt happened yet.
Annoyingly he seems to have got the hang of it. Although there is a moment in his latest video where he says "yea, you just have to get used to cornering standing up" which gives an idea of his level 🤣 Although you can see the back wheels ripping up the berms on babymaker and 25 🤬
He's still slower than me on a Hardtail down there though so clearly there's a lot of accelerating and braking going on 😡
The Crown Estate with the police, are trying to actively catch these individuals. Locals who come across them can report their location to the Duty Forest Warden or 101.
I'm assuming they can't just show up at the youtuber's house? I suppose you need a more serious crime. Or they want to catch them at it.
He's called Alfie iirc.
Duxel is back this time thankfully not riding on MTB trails but still being a dick on paths etc. These two fellas seem to have no self awareness and concept of how they are perceived...
On YouTube Duxel has posted a vid at the summet swinley on a "normal" bike. Therefore he must have signed up to the bike hub or something (unless it was a demo day but don't think they have run these for a while)..should make it easier to trace him maybe if he takes that bloody electric thing out again in the forest.
That video: 13 minutes of dull, pointless crap before a dull, pointless chase by a fat dog on a fat man. Nothing happens.
I bloody hate these things. I see them as the natural extension of lazy riders.
Ummm... you do know Swinley has a car park?
Sur Ron
Bore On
Moron
That video: Jay from the inbetweeners and his mate being dicks on motorbikes.
That video: Jay from the inbetweeners and his mate being dicks on motorbikes.
That's all I can think of when I watch the vids, he's basically Jay in accent and character!
They could almost be a very subtle sitcom: "Look at that view, it's Slough trading estate" 😂
(twinges of The Office, This Country, Inbetweeners, Detectorists - I know STW will burn me for putting detectorists next to inbetweeners!)
I can't wait for the episode where we get their musings on Brexit!
The video at the start of the thread has gone unlisted now. Can't think why.
Is that different to deleted? Still works for me.
Jay from Inbetweeners on a bike? Seems about right.
to be fair ive just seen the price on these and i can understand why they are popular giving its cheaper than most ebikes!
Is that different to deleted? Still works for me.
If you've got the link it works, but won't appear in search or in channel lists.
Sterling work from Chorley Police on this subject:
😀
The comments on that post above are a joy. Most people seem to think it's a e-bike so are saying either; a) leave them alone you nasty rozzer and catch some real criminals, or b) cyclists are all scum / "road tax" / insurance / child's face / baby robin etc etc etc
Will the Chorley cops crush the bike or sell it to another idiot at auction?
The comments on that post above are a joy. Most people seem to think it’s a e-bike so are saying either; a) leave them alone you nasty rozzer and catch some real criminals, or b) cyclists are all scum / “road tax” / insurance / child’s face / baby robin etc etc etc
The irony of course being that in law it is an unregistered, unlicensed, and non type approved motor vehicle but the frothers won't accept/see that.
The comments on that post above are a joy.
Depresses the hell out of me that these people are out there hating away.
I frequent the public Facebook page of these cretins to laugh at their spelling, grammar and whining when their illegal Mx bikes get taken away. Very funny.
It seems the idiot referenced, duxal, is now selling his due to not enough places to ride and will be buying an emtb instead.
The comments on that post above are a joy.
I didn't really see what you said you did there. Mostly people saying the Sur-ron rider was a knob and well done to the police.
That owners' group page is interesting, there's a thread about the Rivington incident above.
Yup, the famous Duxel bike for sale:
the famous Duxel bike for sale
Ah, now they're the comments to read to see the mentality of riders of these things. "Ah duh 😛 "
Yup, the famous Duxel bike for sale:
At least he seems to have realised he cant ride it where he thought he could, so looks like he's done the right thing - eventually
I see the sale includes the usual upgraded 'peddles' and 'breaks'.
Another for sale with 24 miles on the clock, owner has realised that there is nowhere to ride it too by the look of it.
Seeing as it's on YouTube, and linked to a Facebook profile, surely that's an easy win for the local police?
I know TVP were up at Mapeldurham dealing with electric motor bikes last week but I don't think Swinley is their area?
Swinley is TVP, but its also crown estate so maybe liz could set the corgis on them.
Swinley is Surrey Police.
The Berks/Surrey border is straight through the middle of Swinley. Clubhouse is Surrey, all the blue is Berks.
The irony of course being that in law it is an unregistered, unlicensed, and non type approved motor vehicle but the frothers won’t accept/see that.
Not really seeing the point as why anyone cares if its legal or not ...
Everyone seems to just pick and choose what laws they follow anyway and its more to do with Rule #1 (IMHO). I illegally soldered some stuff yesterday using lead solder ... frankly do I give a toss as my health is more important to me than whether I'm breaking the law or not.
I have a full time rear camera on the van as I end up driving through lots of roady places where they legally sit 1'-2' off my bumper in the blind spot... again do I give a flying f---- if its illegal?
There is nothing legal against e-bikes riding up designated push-ups for example but deliberately ramming people and pushing out of the way is (IMHO) breaking Rule #1.
This is however just IMHO.. in their opinion they bought an e-bike to ride up push-ups and the people in the way are (presumably) being dicks by not buying an ebike.
to be fair ive just seen the price on these and i can understand why they are popular giving its cheaper than most ebikes!
Presumably because buying an e-bike is a status symbol ... so e-bike owners are unhappy when a cheaper better product is available?
I still find it ironic that people who DRIVE to SWINLEY have the audacity to define e-bikes or these E-motor bikes as cheating ...
I still find it ironic that people who DRIVE to SWINLEY have the audacity to define e-bikes or these E-motor bikes as cheating
Christ almighty it’s not difficult they are motorcycles, they are not ebikes. Sauron sell them as motorcycles. Just as I can’t use my car, van or motorcycles on swinley trails, on pavements or through pedestrian areas they can’t be used either and thats got f all to do with “cheating”
I have a full time rear camera on the van as I end up driving through lots of roady places where they legally sit 1′-2′ off my bumper in the blind spot… again do I give a flying f—- if its illegal?
WTF are you dribbling on about?
It does 50mph and can be seen damaging the trails in one of the vids. Carried on doing it after being asked not to by locals and invited his mates down to do the same.
It’s pretty simple.
He’s crashed it into the back of a parked van and left the scene. Where I used to work, the excess for any body damage to the work vans was deducted from our wages.
Ridden straight at pedestrians.
He’s taken rule one and pissed all over it.
I still find it ironic that people who DRIVE to SWINLEY have the audacity to define e-bikes or these E-motor bikes as cheating …
Posted 1 hour ago
I live 28-30 miles from it, that's a heck of a day out of I cycle there
to be fair ive just seen the price on these and i can understand why they are popular giving its cheaper than most ebikes!
Presumably because buying an e-bike is a status symbol … so e-bike owners are unhappy when a cheaper better product is available?
Eh?
Or maybe bikes that you are unable to ride anywhere legally in the UK are cheaper 'cos there's less of a market for them.
I live 28-30 miles from it, that’s a heck of a day out of I cycle there
About the same as here to Peaslake but I often cycle to make a day of it. Before lockdown I used to cycle to Swinley about 70% of the time.
People are welcome to get there or anywhere else any way they like but if you drive or get the train you can't then really accuse others of cheating can you?