[Closed] Saddles With Rails Close To The Nose

What are you trying to achieve? If you want to be sat further back, go for a layback seatpost

As above, sound like you’re aiming to change the wrong component

What are you trying to achieve? If you want to be sat further back, go for a layback seatpost

There's already one on there but need to gain another 20mm ideally

There's probably a limit to how quickly the rails can bend in from the clamp area and still be able to be fitted in to the nose of the saddle. If the flat part of the rails are too far forward then they'll be wider than the saddle nose.

Sounds like your frame is simply the wrong size for you.

Sounds like your frame is simply the wrong size for you.

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You could try fitting longer forks and a longer stem. That will move the saddle backwards relative to the front wheel, bars, and bottom bracket.

Sounds like your frame is simply the wrong size for you.

You may well be right so it's the only solution I have apart from selling the bike and dropping £1000 to replace it.

If you do some research as well it seems like it's becoming a more commonplace problem that people are having with manufacturers current trend for seat tube angles which seems bizarre to me.

If anyone does have any suggestions for saddles that do fit the requested criteria would be much appreciated

You could try fitting longer forks and a longer stem. That will move the saddle backwards relative to the front wheel, bars, and bottom bracket.

The most important part of a bike fit is to get your saddle in the correct position and then make adjustments to length of stem etc relative to that as opposed to the other way round.

Which would be great if manufacturers didn't keep making their seat angles steeper every year in some kind of bizzare arms race. Great for the 30 seconds when you are powering up a short technical climb, but a pain (literally) if you want to ride your bike all day.

+1 Layback seatpost.

VK saddle adjuster? SJS cycles sell them. No idea if it works.

If anyone does have any suggestions for saddles that do fit the requested criteria would be much appreciated

I doubt you'll find anything. If you run the saddle right back like that, you tend to bend the rails if you smack anything hard while in the saddle (I have a fat mate who used to go through saddles by doing this). On top of that, you would need a wider nose on the saddle, as whitestone explained above.

it’s the only solution I have apart from selling the bike and dropping £1000 to replace it.

Swapping your existing components to a new frame would be the obvious thing.

What sort of bike? Fitting a higher/ longer-travel fork will slacken the ST and the HT, which might be nice. It will raise the BB but you can cure that with offset shock bushings making it even slackerer! Or fit a smaller sized rear wheel making it even more frankenbiker!! Why fiddle with one thing when you can fiddle with lots?

VK saddle adjuster?

Looks like a proctologist visit just waiting to happen. If you run that with a layback seatpost and the saddle right back in the rails, you will be putting a lot of leverage on the top of the seatpost.

VK saddle adjuster? SJS cycles sell them. No idea if it works.

I've heard very mixed reports on them ... I sounds like they're a lot more compatible with some posts than others so it's a bit pot luck .... Am still considering it as an option but would rather explore better placed rails 1st

Swapping your existing components to a new frame would be the obvious thing.

If I really can't find a solution that works this may be the direction I have to go in!

The other alternative is an Ergotech Futura post but again I'd like to explore saddle options before trying that route.

In many cases, "feeling like" you want the saddle further back is actually because you need a longer stem/reach/toptube.

In many cases, “feeling like” you want the saddle further back is actually because you need a longer stem/reach/toptube.

In my case it's because I've had dual hip replacements ..... I rode my 29er for 2 years with the saddle where it should be without any issues ..... bought a new bike and have had nothing but problems with one of my hips since.

Swapped back to riding my 29er and the problem went away.

Took the new bike for a fit yesterday to see if it could help, he's made some adjustments but still said ideally the saddle should go back another 20mm .... I've since compared / measured that in relation to the position of the saddle on my 29er and it would put it in exactly the same place in relation to the crank.

I know everybody's trying to be helpful with alternative suggestions and I#m really not meaning to sound unappreciative of people's input but I've absolutely done this to death and back, and then done it twice more for good measure and have looked at every single option available ... including having to shim my seat from 30.9 down to 27.2 if I was going to go with a post with more layback.

If anybody does know of any saddles as requested .... I'm all ears (How do you insert a smiley in this site???)

Not sure I agree brant. We all have an angle of pelvis we like when pedalling. It is most comfy if, at our preferred pedalling force and preferred pelvic angle, we are neither supporting a lot of weight on our hands, nor having to pull on the bars to keep in place. That is only achieved with a particular seat tube angle. And then only on the flat, which is why really steep seat angle mtbs are not that nice to pedal on the flat for long, they are not designed for it.

On a Mac it's Ctrl+Cmd+spacebar which brings up a dialog box with literally hundreds of smileys and characters and wingdings.

Looks like it's one of those things like 1x only frames that's an unwanted byproduct of various "improvements".

What amount of setback do you currently have on your seatpost? Something like the Titec El Norte Bent seatpost will give you 50mm setback but it seems like it's hard to get hold of these days and is 27.2mm only.

Edit: what you need to consider is that large setback/layback and moving the saddle to its absolute limits on its rails introduce large turning moments leading to increased rates of wear. Basically you are using the items that should just tweek the riding position to compensate for a frame that doesn't suit you.

In my case it’s because I’ve had dual hip replacements ….. I rode my 29er for 2 years with the saddle where it should be without any issues ….. bought a new bike and have had nothing but problems with one of my hips since.

Swapped back to riding my 29er and the problem went away.

So the new bike is the wrong size then. Good luck finding what you want though, although I’d be looking for something that fits me as I need

And then only on the flat, which is why really steep seat angle mtbs are not that nice to pedal on the flat for long, they are not designed for it.

That seems odd, given that time trial bikes often have 78 degree seat angles, and the drive on TT bikes the whole time I've ridden them has been to get the saddle as far forward as you can. They are specifically built for pedalling along on the flat for extended periods. The theory seems to be you can get more power down if you're placed more directly above the BB. I can see it if you've some kind of problem like the OP and his hips (which I can't offer any advice for unfortunately, other than I'd agree that you've got the wrong size bike) but for most riders the steeper seat angle should be much better both in terms of keeping the nose down (which is why a lot of enduro bikes have steep seat angles) and in terms of power to the pedals.

Something like the Titec El Norte Bent seatpost will give you 50mm setback but it seems like it’s hard to get hold of these days and is 27.2mm only.

Yes that would be perfect but as you say seems quite hard to find!

@munrobiker that is why I said comfy, and at one's preferred rate of output. Road race/ TT geometry may be the fastest and best for when you are mashing it and want to go fast, but not for comfort. I have never heard anyone claim it is a comfortable riding position, and you don't see that geometry on touring bikes, which rather gives the game away. Similarly, modern enduro style geometry is good for going uphill, but not optimal for pedalling along the flat. One geometry can't be everything. You need your pelvis at the biomechanically best angle for getting the most out of your gluteal muscles and you need your centre of gravity over the pedals so your arms don't have to pull or push when pedalling. That will only happen at one angle of climb for a given seat angle. As I understand it, the TT geometry tries to keep the body position whilst trading some comfort for aerodynamics on the flat. I have only ever sat on one, and have absolutely no desire to try to pedal a TT bike for extended periods.

Try having a go on an ISM saddle, they sit about 5cm back compared to a regular one. It’s crucial that you follow the setup vids on their website.

If you run an ibeam saddle and seatpost you can slide it fairly far back as it avoids the rail issues.