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I wonder if other euro bike companies will follow?
Canyon are holding all orders to the UK until middle of January.
The freight companies are making it hard at the moment, which I suspect is the issue here. You can still get things over but you have to pay much more than usual - we’ve just shipped 6 pallets from Spain and it’s cost £3k rather than £600.
JP
so the following german shops/brands not selling to UK:
* Radon Bikes
* Bike Discount
* Rose Versund
* Bike24
and Madison have just increased the trade price of shimano brake pads by 40% !!!
The freight companies are making it hard at the moment
Freight companies are being expected to pick up much of the extra paperwork and admin, amongst over new overheads. They have to charge more.
Guess I'm not getting knee pads for Xmas afterall...
Guess I’m not getting knee pads for Xmas afterall…
That's not the brexit spirit. You can carve them out of a British turnip or gaffa tape a North Sea Cod
We never used knee pads on our bikes in the 1950's.
The extra admin they may have to do (this will depend on deal which I think will be achieved by Dec 31 as UK will cave) may or may not be worth it based on number of UK sales I suppose but the admin will probably be less that selling to other countries outside of the EU.
Madison have just increased the trade price of shimano brake pads by 40% !!!
I thought our Japan trade deal with make Shimano parts very cheap
My company (machine tools) is currently shipping on a daily basis to Europe with no big hold ups. And after 9 months of preparation we are completely ready for a no deal Brexit. We will be using a specialised service from UPS and pre-paying the duty on all goods shipped, rather than our customers. We estimate the costs to be around £120k per year.
I don't think this is a Brexit thing (yet). Apparently the German post (DHL) has been returning UK parcels to sender as they don't have the space to store them with the ports closed because of Covid super bug worries.
Se info below I've just found on Deutsch Post website. Sounds like it should be resolved in the next couple of days.
United Kingdom:
Due to the reported coronavirus mutation, several European governments have restricted travel links to the United Kingdom beginning Dec. 20 or Dec. 21, 2020. Among other measures, the French government has closed the Channel Tunnel and ferry ports to incoming passengers and freight for at least 48 hours. This disruption in the transport chain also impacts our routes to Ireland.
As a result, we have unfortunately been forced to discontinue all DHL Paket International, DHL Paket Connect, DHL Europaket and Warenpost International service to the UK and Ireland, effective immediately and until further notice. All shipments bound for the UK and Ireland, including bulky goods, will be returned to sender immediately. This may also apply to items you have already posted with us.
Please note: These restrictions also apply to private customer shipments and DHL Europaket shipments.
I thought our Japan trade deal with make Shimano parts very cheap
My understanding is that our wonderful trade deal with Japan is just an agreement to keep things as they were before, mostly. Certainly nothing better than when we were in the EU.
It's not just bike companies that are suspending sales..
Fancy some fancy pencils from the continent
https://www.carandache.com/gb/en/
Rose bikes- my recent dealings with them have been a night mare anyway, and with DHL their courier.
Long story but they were a shower of shite.
"I thought our Japan trade deal with make Shimano parts very cheap" doesn't non grey imports of Shimano come/or is ordered via their Euro HQ in Holland?
Not really a surprise though - is it? Current Global pandemic and things aren't really being shipped with the usual speed and efficiency (compared to now, it was speedy and efficient!); we are also leaving the EU which also comes with a massive headache - and despite quitre some time to sort this out (even before the Covid stuff), we are still at the eleventh hour with no decision on whether or not we have a deal (which Boris has always been quite happy not to have, if I'm remembering some of his chats from a while back).
Both of those things are causing delays in getting stuff here and the second one is just causing headaches for suppliers, so reducing the shipping requirements to the UK from EU will save them hassle and effort (for now) - hopefully they will restore the service by end of January - but by then the Euro will be worth more than the pound and we'll be drowning anyway!
Can't say this wasn't entirely unexpected, especially as we are about to leave the warm and friendly embrace of the EU...still very annoying though.
My brother should be moving to Belgium in the spring (COVID allowing, it’s already been delayed once). Think he’s about to find himself with a stock of Rose gear hangers for my cross and road bikes.
HMRC, UKBA and couriers have been been sending prep info to business owners for many months now. Some couriers are bad and for whatever reason businesses that use them have continued to do so.
Many businesses are well prepped and facing little issue. E.g Amazon and eBay + global stores / shipping program. Amazon are shipping from US and covering customs forms / payment with ease.
Other co’s are using whatever excuse they can inc Brexit / COVID as an excuse for bad logistics, poor customer service and stalled growth. Most of these brands offered poor service and logistics pre any of the issues the world is currently facing.
The rest that have their org well managed look to be taking in profit until their competition catch-up. E.g I can still easily get a GX group next day in the UK if I’m willing to pay RRP. I can order a carbon frame or GX group directly from China without much issue but from Germany face this...
and Madison have just increased the trade price of shimano brake pads by 40% !!!
Not on my Madison B2B they haven't. A quick check of Deore, Saints and XT disc brake pads shows they are all the same price as we last bought at, except XT which are 50p more expensive.
Bike-Discount froze up once I put in the UK as the destination...
Many businesses are well prepped and facing little issue. E.g Amazon and eBay + global stores / shipping program. Amazon are shipping from US and covering customs forms / payment with ease.
Other co’s are using whatever excuse they can inc Brexit / COVID as an excuse for bad logistics, poor customer service and stalled growth. Most of these brands offered poor service and logistics pre any of the issues the world is currently facing.
"From the 1st of January 2021, Amazon will cease moving inventory across the UK/EU border. This means for some, make sure you have sufficient inventory in EU FCs to cover any period where you may find it difficult to replenish stock until any new customs and shipping arrangements become clear. For others it will mean depleting inventory in mainland Europe FCs before the 1st of January 2021 as after then it will become more difficult to repatriate your stock back to the UK."
So to look at one of your examples, perhaps it means maintaining stock in two locations. Many UK sea ports are fundamentally broken currently. Not getting better any time soon, are they? Covid downtimes across the world has meant extended LT on plenty of things. Many businesses have chosen to stockpile prior to Brexit, but that has exacerbated much of the above. Would not want to be a business operating on tight margins with long supply chains right now...
Price worth paying?
I don’t think this is a Brexit thing (yet). Apparently the German post (DHL) has been returning UK parcels to sender as they don’t have the space to store them with the ports closed because of Covid super bug worries.
Storage was already backed up as companies and people tried to get supplies delivered before year end BECAUSE OF BREXIT. And then add to that delayed items from early in the year because of Covid. And then add in this week's mess. There is a good reason why anyone with any sense said that ending the transition period in the middle of winter, when we expected to be in the middle of the second wave of this virus, was damn stupid. But our politicians are committed to doing damn stupid things for political reasons... no matter what... and here we are.
Some couriers are bad and for whatever reason businesses that use them have continued to do so.
Blaming the couriers for the extra problems dropped on them by politicians unable to accept or do anything to mitigate the new costs and delays they are introducing is the new black.
Headline "UK trade not as important to johnny foreigner as Brexiteers thought shocker"
Madison put there prices up 10% on Shimano stuff couple of weeks after we voted to come out of the EU and that was a while back nothing changing there then.
I wasn't happy with Rose bikes when the seat post I had ordered and told was in stock later turned out to be a six week wait once they had taken the money. Today I get the email saying they won't be supplying it at all because of non trade deal post Brexit.
I've had an email this morning from Bike Components in Germany. I had something on backorder that I expected before the end of the year but they have explained that due to the sudden border closure they can't deliver by the end of the year so won't despatch until next year. Gave me the choice to cancel or wait, seems a pragmatic way to handle it. Companies on both sides of the channel are just having to try to work out how best to handle the situation
Bloody brexit and China virus - was after ordering some new forks à la German discount style online bike shop. Now faced with UK price which is approx £300 more expensive! 🤬🤯
Pinkbike have had a go at explaining the current situation
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/what-will-a-no-deal-brexit-mean-for-british-bike-customers.html
Have we picked up on the Canyon story on the front page?
-- Edit --
We have haven't we! Sorry, missed that.
Before anyone gets excited, this bit of the pinkbike article -
For non-EU bikes, we previously reported that bikes entering the UK will get 0% tariffs for up to 12 months following a No Deal Brexit, which is down from the 17% duty currently applied. This should make non-EU bikes cheaper for UK consumers and there is no indication this legislation has changed at the time of writing.
- is wrong. The 0% 12mths period has been rejected now. And it's not 17% it's 14%, and 10.5% or zero from some areas under GSP rules.
Deal or No Deal, imports from places like Taiwan don't change, will stay at 14%. I'm not 100% on GSP rates but I don't think that changes for bikes that comply already.
They won't be cheaper anyway, price likely to stay same but a higher margin for supplier rather than a cheaper price for buyer.
That is my prediction...I hope I'm.wrong though.
is wrong
Well, it’s out of date rather than wrong, as your post is likely to be soon enough… a shifting landscape ahead for businesses… and not just for 12 months. Of course, some are well placed to make money from chaos (not name checking two generations of Rees-Mogg, or the very well connected in the Americas and newly elevated to the Lords Hannan, or ex Tate&Lyle Davis, would be amiss of me) but if you make and sell things… get ready for a bumpy ride.
Well, it’s out of date rather than wrong, as your post is likely to be soon enough
They said 'no indication it had changed at the time of writing', ie today - so it's wrong : ) The 0% in event of no deal has been off the cards for a while.
No doubt things could change and not make any sense, after all we have Tories.
I forgot my own smiley, sorry.
: )
Nearly a third of all ecommerce in Europe is in the UK. Because of the lockdowns many warehouse/delivery companies in mainland Europe are not coping, German warehouses are full to breaking for Christmas deliveries. This may explain some of the problem, my son had an email a few days ago from a German delivery company stating this.
: ) was smiling at my own pedantry also. I know I've got figures or comparisons wrong enough times over the last few years. It gets frustrating, the amount duff info, U-turns or lack of ease in understanding it at times*. Isn't that what got us here in the first place.
*The UK Bicycle Assoc have been brilliant though.
Can't we have a formula?
Currently: bike from EU + shipping - EU vat + UK vat
Soon: bike from EU - EU vat + shipping + import duty + WTO tariff + paperwork fees * fall in £
Currently: bike from outside EU...
^
import duty or WTO tariff
, effectively the same thing.
Bike from outside EU currently is cost + shipping X import duty + anti dumping duty if applicable (ie if it's from China)
Same after Jan 1st, deal or no deal. Paperwork, shipping etc changes but basic landed cost calcs are the same and duty is still 14% or GSP rates as before.
I ordered an SLX 4 pot rear brake from Deporvillage and It turned up the continental way round (my fauly , I know) . I had also ordered a front from Bikester as it was cheaper buying them seperate. I filled out a returns for for Depor and the bikester one turned up also the wrong way round . I genuinley didnt know Bikester were german . All good though just swapped them over.
So many of the cheapest bike component shops are from abroad these days without you even knowing. With Covid triggering a cycling frenzy this year the big online UK companies aren't discounting anything it seems.
Hmm, I ordered a couple of bits from bike-discount, they accepted my order, and I thought I had managed to sneak in.
Got a dispatch email and everything.
However just had a 'recived your return' email, and the tracking says 'delivered - Koblenz (DE)' so i assume its been cancelled at their end.
yeah, a lot of the German bike companies are near the town of Koblenz (where the Rhine meets the Mosel River). I have an order that has gone from Koblenz to Bonn and now is stuck in the DPD monster-warehouse at Udda near Dortmund.
Canyon have a big factory next the Autobahn on the road out of Koblenz.