[Closed] Rooster

That'll do nicely! Liking the July delivery date too.

ohhh, I could be in.

I was hoping for a delivery date/kickstarter further into the year 😆 😡

Its hugely tempting but do I need a Puffin and a Rooster? 😳

Interested in seeing if the Rooster has better/more clearance at the rear than the Krampus.

£400 seems very good VFM in comparison for what that gets you elsewhere.

Maybe I could buy one and build it later .......

Can't argue with VFM - I'd been humming and hawing over a Salsa El Mariachi frame only at £395. With the Rooster, you're getting a fork, plus the ability to run 29+ too for an extra £5. Oh aye, and EBB as well.

July delivery is a bonus too.

May take me a while before I can afford a nice 29+ wheelset and tires mind, but until then I'll just run it with a standard set of wheels.

I'm in!

Tempted! Same problem with wheels and it needs to be blue to match the rest of my bikes!

Kickstarter says that if enough backing is found then colour choice will be an option. (only one colour tho)

Saw that clobber - vietndw kite dark blue would be nice 😀 anyone know if the ebb is square taper compatible?

Yep the ebb is not push fit it will take HT2/Sq taper/octalink/isis etc...

I'm in! 😀

Still thinking ATM, something may have to be moved on, or this could become another pool bike for all the boys I ride with

Go on go on Go on go on Go on go on Go on go on Go on go on Go on go onGo on go on Go on go on Go on go on Go on go on Go on go on
(going through my head continuously ALL day).

Another month and I'd have been in for this...

(Sigh...)

Doh. Like others I thought this would be later in the year. Go on go on go on go on go on go on. must reeeezisst

Thanks for the support guys! If the project is successful I will still be happy to take pre-orders at a preferential rate - though not quite so preferential as through the Kickstarter. An extra colour would be in addition to the yellow. Any other questions just shout.

Oh so tempted by this. saw one of the prototypes at the London Bike Show.
Not so keen on the colour, but at that price a respray would not be out of the question.

What are the current rim and tyre options out there?

29+ Tyre is limited to a 29x3 Knard at the moment I believe with a more knobbly 29x2.75 Dirt Wizard coming later this year.

Standard rim choice is a 50mm Rabbit Hole, but I think the Knard can go on a 35mm wide rim at a push so that gives you a Velocity P35 at 35mm or a newer Dually which is 45mm. Although I think Syntace do 35 and 40mm wide rims as well.

Cheers Clobber.

Hi Sam,

Is Switzerland EU or non-EU for the purposes of this kickstarter? (obviously it's non-EU however often it's grouped with EU for postage purposes)

Cheers
Schweiz

Don't forget you can always run your standard 29er wheels/tyres and just have massive mud clearance until your favourite tyres come in 29+ flavour.

Looks like more options are on the way now...

[url= http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/29-tire-choices-900173.html ]On another forum...[/url]

Yeah maxxis are bringing some options out.

So now you know tyre options are going to be prevalent...

GO SIGN-UP FOR A ROOSTER....

Maxxis sidewalls will even match the yellow paint 🙂

More importantly I presume final models will have a headbadge?
And why not a reverb sized seat tube, tyre clearance?

Sam Sam Sam

Schweiz - Switzerland would count as non-EU as you don't have to pay VAT. Though shipping there is more expensive than elsewhere in the EU it's not quite as much as say Antarctica. If you are really desperate to save the £20 back the EU version and I will ship it (assuming the project is successful).

Yes, there are more tyres in the pipeline but right now the Knard is your only available option. I am in touch with both Vee and Maxxis to see if we might be able to sort something on tyres if these do go in to production.

Yes, production frames will definitely have a headbadge - I am working on the drawing...

Seat tube will likely be 27.2 post sized but I could potentially be swayed if enough people want it.

Tyre clearance - needs a little tweaking but currently the Knard fits with around 8mm of clearance to the side knobs on the rear and more on the front.

Got to be 30.9 min seatpost

Got to be 30.9 min seatpost

Why? The larger diameter ST makes a huge difference to the stiffness and ride quality of the frame.

Because if 29+ is to believed that it is capable as a trail bike rather than just a niche bike, then dropper posts are the way forward, and being 27.2 is very limiting in the dropper world for proper 125mm drop post.

Plus you'd be offering something different to the Surly alternative.

Yes it will make the frame a little stiffer but are you really going to be able to tell with super soft 3.0 inch tyres?

Got to be 30.9 min seatpost
Why? The larger diameter ST makes a huge difference to the stiffness and ride quality of the frame.

And what rik said.

Genuine question, will a larger seat tube/post change it that much? I would have thought running full 3 inch tyres would mask a great deal of frame subtleties anyway.

In! Now the (im)patient waiting begins 🙂

Another vote for a reverb sized seatube. 27.2 is majorly offputting for me.

What Rik said. Another vote for 30.9/31.6 seattube...on my 29er I run a dropper in the summer for trail riding and then in the winter pop a shim in and run a 27.2 carbon post for a bit more forgiving a ride

Can't quite make it out: does the medium (430mm ST) have a 584mm eTT?

Well, I think the larger seat tube does make quite a noticeable difference to the ride. To a degree that's independent of tyre size, as you are comparing like for like. Otherwise you would say that all frames ride the same. Already this frame feels quite different from a Krampus. But if that many people are fixated on large dia dropper posts I will see what I can do.

Nuke, yes the medium ett is 584mm.

Well, I think the larger seat tube does make quite a noticeable difference to the ride. To a degree that's independent of tyre size, as you are comparing like for like. Otherwise you would say that all frames ride the same. Already this frame feels quite different from a Krampus. But if that many people are fixated on large dia dropper posts I will see what I can do.

Fair enough. For me I wouldn't say fixated on a dropper it just seemed to make sense to do a slightly bigger tube if there s no downside given most dropper manufactures don't seem to be convinced on supporting 27.2 but you are saying there is a trade off in terms of ride quality. I presume 'different' = worse

IMO the Rooster proto already rides significantly better than a Krampus, and other testers who've ridden both share that opinion. That is predominantly down to geometry at this stage I would say, though the tapered fork steerer makes a big difference. If anything it is perhaps a little overbuilt as it is, I am definitely going a little lighter gauge on the top and downtubes.

Part of the problem in speccing a steel frame for a larger seatpost (30.9 or 31.6) is the wall thickness of a steel tube. Generally you want about 1.2mm thickness for the top 120mm of a seat tube - so 30.9+2.4+0.2 = 33.5 OD, which you can't get a seat clamp for, nor does anyone make it as a standard tube. So you need to go to a 34.9 OD seat tube (like the Buzzard)and a shim. That size tube really does make the frame much stiffer and IMO you lose a lot of that nice springy steel feeling.

Anyhow, mulling it over and will talk to my tubing suppliers.

What would the thoughts be to compare the Rooster to the Stooge?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/stooge-cycles-whos-interested-slack-29er-content?replies=72

Didn't the 30.9 Ragley blue pigs come with a little shim for seat clamp to solve what I guess must have been that issue?

Having to Add material and weight just to reach a standard clamp size sounds a bit rubbish. 😕

It would always be possible to have some tubes drawn and seatpost clamps made but of course this all adds to cost....

How would you quantify the differences Sam, between Rooster & Stooge?

I'm after a lay explanation to help decide.

Cheers

How would you quantify the differences Sam, between Rooster & Stooge?

I'm after a lay explanation to help decide.

Do they directly compare, given that one is a 29+ bike, and the other isn't? Isn't a better comparison Swift & Stooge?

I'm in 🙂

ratherbeintobago - Member

I really don't know, which is why I'm asking and why it may seem a naive question

Very tempted with a Rooster, would be happy use a 27.2mm dropper if the ride was better, just a bit put off by the frame colour.

What would the thoughts be to compare the Rooster to the Stooge?

From the looks of it I would say that is closer to a Swift or Gryphon (both of which can fit 29+ in front and have loads of clearance at the back) than the Rooster. Though I can't see a website or geometry charts so it's kinda hard to say.

just a bit put off by the frame colour

An alternate colour is a possibility, but I don't want to get stuck with a bunch of frames in the 'wrong' colour, which is why I have only ever done one colour per model. I'm thinking that if the project happens then I might get some frames sent raw which we can then have finished locally for an additional charge.

It's hugely tempting but do I need a Puffin and a Rooster?

I'd quite happily have one of each. I could move some furniture around, I'm sure.

How much for the full set, Sam? Much of a discount? I've only got the Peregrine so far.

I'll usually do a 10% discount for repeat customers, but as the Kickstarter frames are coming at a pretty heavy discount as it is I don't really have much room to move.

I love that yellow, I'm happy with 27.2mm dropper and not to mention that it looks awesome. The decision took less than a few seconds however trying to convince the significant other is going go take a little bit more time.

I'm in

I might get some frames sent raw which we can then have finished locally for an additional charge

That sounds like a great idea if you can pull it off. I'd like one in the lovely shade of green the Hummingbird came in. Reminded me of my grandads shed.

I'd love to see this come to through, just missing a few tick boxes for me though I'm afraid(colour choice and everything cages as options would help) I like the idea of moving towards lighter hgauge top and down tube for a zingyier steel feel. Would another kickstarter option of a package that includes a pair of Duallys or even a complete wheelset be a option?

Sam - My Skookum comes with a 30.9 ST needing a 33mm collar.

Its a lot nicer/comfier to ride than my Solaris was.

I had also wished that the Puffins (I have one on order 😉 ) had had a 30.9mm st as the huge volume tyres would have compensated for a stiffer frame*

I like the color of the Rooster.

8 days to find £400!

* I may/am talking out of my depth here 😆

27.2 seat post all the way for me to get as much steel spring out of the frame as possible. Otherwise may as well do an aluminium version.

I really wanted one of these when the thought first came up. I still do, would like to understand what the colour options are though? And also if the forks can take Salsa anything cages

Oh yeah and would be interested in a frame / dually rim version too 😀

Hmm, I need to find the time for a proper look at geo numbers, but wondering if this would be such a bad idea run with a sus fork and regular wheels, then possibly go 29+ for winter months.

Always fancied a swift but have a lot of money in a nice taper fork see, and that yellow appeals....

OTOH this would bring me perilously close to niche bicycle activities and I'm not sure I want to grow a beard 😉

A have to agree that the 27.2 seat tube is putting me off too.
The 29+ thing is just screaming out for a dropper post.

+1 for YoKaisers suggestion about the wheelset/rim option. 🙂

Sam, I was talking about one of [u]everything[/u]. And not seriously, unfortunately. They're pretty much all on the list, though! 🙂

I've been growing a beard ever since i ordered my Puffin

Its kept me nice and warm this winter 🙂

I might get some frames sent raw

I like the sound of that 😉

(colour choice and everything cages as options would help) I like the idea of moving towards lighter gauge top and down tube for a zingyier steel feel.

It's looking likely I will offer an option of 'classic Swift blue' for backers and probably get a few extras painted this colour as well. Anything cage mount on the fork is an option now available to backers.

Would another kickstarter option of a package that includes a pair of Duallys or even a complete wheelset be a option?

Hmm, I need to find the time for a proper look at geo numbers, but wondering if this would be such a bad idea run with a sus fork and regular wheels, then possibly go 29+ for winter months.

Yes, that should work out OK with a fork up to around 100mm of travel. You have the EBB so you can adjust it to have a bit higher bb if necessary with the smaller wheels.

A have to agree that the 27.2 seat tube is putting me off too.
The 29+ thing is just screaming out for a dropper post.

Not sure I agree (though I am not much of a saddle dropper anyhow) and it's looking likely I will stick with a 27.2mm post. There are 27.2mm droppers available if people really feel the need.

Has the Rooster been tried with normal 29er wheels yet?
If so, how does it ride compared to something like a Swift?

I really like the idea of the Rooster in Swift blue 😀

Yes, have ridden it with 29er wheels. It rides well but is quite a bit stiffer than the Swift, the front end geometry is also a bit different. The stiffness will change a bit for production to bring back a little of that nice zingy steel feel.

I'm not usually a fan of 29ers (they just look a bit 'wrong' to me), but that Rooster (in plain yellow) looks ace.

*might* even tempt me.

Blue you say? And sticking with 27.2 seatpost? Now seriously tempted 🙂

Fantastic, I reckon prioritising seat tube size due to ride characteristic rather than to accommodate the majority of droppers a better bet. I'd personally be moer interested in the Rooster as a ECR alternative and the fact it rides like/better than a Krampus at other times is a bonus. I read a nice blog bit on the Rooster at an xc endurance race, show it has even more strings to its bow. I quite like the yellow now as well.

This could be goodbye Pugsley and Scandal hello Rooster, just need to run it by the Fun Sheriff noo.

Blue you say? And sticking with 27.2 seatpost? Now seriously tempted

Although I do like the yellow but if it was Swift blue I could do a frame swap with my Swift and tell the 'Fun Sheriff' I just got some new tyres 😀

^^^ Hmm, yes, you make a very valid point there. 😀

Sam, I think you should stick to your guns on this. I have no experience of building frames and what happens with ST size changes, and I would guess that the majority of people asking for a 30.9 don't know as much as you either. Looks to me like you've come up with another great looking bike that you won't struggle to sell!

I like the idea of a wheelsets option, so far I've only find a ready built front. The rabbit hole rims do look nice.

Thompson dropper - will be coming in a 27.2mm size soon 🙂

You also have gravity dropper and the xfusion hilo at the cheaper end of the market.

Hit it's target of £15k.

Time to start planning and collecting parts 😀

IMO the Rooster proto already rides significantly better than a Krampus, and other testers who've ridden both share that opinion. That is predominantly down to geometry at this stage I would say, though the tapered fork steerer makes a big difference.

how does the geometry differ? (i have a Krampus)
and how does a tapered steerer make that much difference?

So I wonder if we could get Robsson to do a batch of 700c 40-50mm rims? They do fatbike rims 26 x 80mm x 32 hole which are plenty strong and 950gms/ 780gms undrilled/drilled so comparable to the Surly offerings but only about £35!! I have their 80mm rim on my Mukluk and they work fine.

Given Duallys seem to be £120, a rim for £30-40 would be a fair saving of £160 on the bike 😕

Have dropped them a mail. Any interest?

A cheap 50mm 29er rim would be nice 😀 65mm would be even better!!!

I'd be interested in that Andy, I've got most of the other bits I'd need but wheelset was beginning to look very expensive.

I'd be interested too.
Wheelsets are looking a bit pricey.

Would also be up for a cheaper pair of rims though the complete build option for £1200 looks like it could be good value

Yeah, interested in saving some cash on a rim here too.
Just ordered fork for a 29+ front end for the solaris.

Strada did a special wheelset for the Puffin, £610!!