Rocky Mountain Slayer, lost bolt/pivot help needed please

Check accu.co.uk

They do a vast range of precision nuts and bolts, most random thing I've needed was a threaded mudguard insert for a carbon fibre road fork, accu.co.uk had it 👍

checking... thanks man.

Yeah as above or you might find you have a local place like I have that does literally every fitting in the world.

https://metalworksupplies.co.uk/

They often give them out for free as well rather than bothering charging for 1 item.

Cheers to you also... i've pinged both a message to see if they can come up with anything.

Two good RM stockists I know of that pretty much always keep spare parts in stock and run a fleet of RM demo bikes themselves, so might be worth giving a call if RM distributor in the UK has none...

https://www.zerobikes.co.uk/en
https://www.setchfieldcycles.co.uk

Fingers crossed you get something sorted...

Emailed both yesterday mate, but thank you.

Zero came back to me and are trying to help.. but they don't have one spare/available at this stage.
AW Cycles are my local dealer who i've put in discussions with RM in the US.... but i don't know how easy or quick that will be.

Any thoughts on using just an M10x1.0 with a 15mm washer (assuming the head clears wheel on rotation), would the threaded part where the bearings are be an issue ? Or is it just a complete no-no.

Somewhere like squealet suggests would be my first try.
Or of you still have one from the other side to copy I'm sure you can get one made for a lot less than the £200 it would be with shipping and VAT. How strong does it need to be, could you even 3D print one?

I still have one from the other side yes.

I'll shoot to my LBS to see if he has one as well. Well, something similar anyway

Is it common to other models?
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The kit itself isnt

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But it's not impossible the bolt could be.

https://www.yorkcycleworks.com/product/849/trek-m10x1mm-full-suspension-rocker-pivot-bolt/option/

Close at 22.5mm how much do we care about the extra 2.2mm hmmmm

That’s pretty poor on the Rocky Mountain / uk distributor front if they don’t have any spare bolts for a current model just sold.

Will suck if you have to buy the full kit from America for the cost.

@weeksy try apex Fasteners based on the Slough trading estate located on Ipswich road number 512.

I think I’ve got one of the Trek bolts (a broken one) in the garage, if it would help to get some dimensions off it. Spare was bought from pedalon

Yeah I can get one from Pedalon but slightly concerned about length.

24.6mm is quite a specific length so most likely a critical dimension, get the Trek one and take 2.2mm off the end of it.

Trek one is shorter matey.

Fair point 😁.

I can’t imagine it’s a RM only bolt (actually being the bike industry I can) can you take it to your local nut and bolt shop/ironmongers and see if they have one? Or bodge it with something generic? Several of my bikes have had all their pivot hardware replaced with standard bolts when they invariably break in Morzine or have been discontinued.

I would imagine it is a RM proprietary bolt, possibly model specific too.
Might be worth taking the remaining one to a small engineering company and see if they’ll copy it to make some spares. Unfortunately the price might start to make the RM kit look not so bad

Or bodge it with something generic? Several of my bikes have had all their pivot hardware replaced with standard bolts when they invariably break in Morzine or have been discontinued.

Well that's the question i don't know the answer to, hence me asking that here 😀

But no-one has given much on that side of things yet. the length i can sort with a 25mm bolt, the head i don't think is an issue. The main issue is the flat section which is where i guess the bearings sit in the chainstay. Is the flat important, or can it still be threaded in there. The rest, could be fudged easily enough.

Trek do a M10x1x25, so could be shortened, but it has 80% of it threaded, whereas the RM bolt is about 30% threaded.

Hopefully one of the RM dealers will come up with something today as a plan... Until then, we wait impatiently 😀

I'd probably email rocky canada..they are Canadian not American.

I’d probably email rocky canada..they are Canadian not American.

Same thing mate, in terms of Emails anyway. The main RM HQ is who i've been mailing.

I'd say we will get one of these (well, 2 actually lol) it'll just be a question of when and how much.

I've got FoD and Cmwcarn this weekend, but sod all idea what i'll be riding.

You might as well get the trek one in at 25mm and see if it can be made to work. You will then see how much of the bearing is supported on the non-threaded section. Might be ok as the pics of the trek bolts all have different length threaded sections.

Cookson cycles have it too at 25mm and it doesn't look to be 80% threaded.

We ran into the challenge of even finding a spare mech hangar with Rocky Mountain. Crazy on a £4k bike.

Brilliant bikes, seemingly poor/very small UK importer and a lot of proprietary stuff on thier bikes.

Mech hanger was OK, i've got one of those.. Pila make one that's correct for mine..

I'm well happy with the bike... it's a great thing for sure.

Can you post a picture of the other one. Might help with suggestions for a replacement.

Weeksy can you post up a pic of the one you still have so I can get an idea.

Cheers

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They are 31mm long roughly

I'm sure they came off a 2021 Orbea wild fs

Would they be any good?

31mm i can make shorter, well a mate can... i'm sure he'll have a thread cutter in 1.0 as well.

Do you know if it's a 1.0mm thread or a 1.25 mate ?

Are they the Trunnion bolts ?

Saw these cheap on Amazon one on the right looks... probably an angled countersunk head though - might take a bit of dremmelling. Or contact the seller, ask if he's got anything that'd be nearer.
https://amzn.eu/d/dEhkUwO

Thanks both... 🙂

Not sure what thread it is mate sorry.

This is them:
https://brilliantbikes.co.uk/orbea-spares/3677-orbea-wild-fs-linkage-seatstay-kit.html

They are from the top of the seatstay where is connects to the rock linkage

Linkage seatstays bolts x 2
12x14x3.2 washers x 4

That implies they're 12mm diameter if the internal diameter of the washer is 12 on there mate, so i'm afraid they wouldn't be any use... but thanks tonnes for trying.

anything here: https://www.fastenright.com/general-fixings/socket-shoulder-screws-iso-7379/sk14

Linkage seatstays bolts x 2
12x14x3.2 washers x 4

That implies they’re 12mm diameter if the internal diameter of the washer is 12 on there mate, so i’m afraid they wouldn’t be any use… but thanks tonnes for trying.

And that's me being completely wrong lol. Well if StuF's link is correct that implies M10 is 12mm ? lol.

M10 is nominal 10mm diameter... if you look closely at the drawing for the shoulder socket screws in StuF's link, the threaded part isn't the same diameter as the shoulder... which would account for the difference.

Phew, thought I'd gone insane

But no-one has given much on that side of things yet. the length i can sort with a 25mm bolt, the head i don’t think is an issue. The main issue is the flat section which is where i guess the bearings sit in the chainstay. Is the flat important, or can it still be threaded in there. The rest, could be fudged easily enough.

Basically I think it'll be an issue. The flat part is most likely designed as a good fit to the inner bearing race. A threaded shank won't be a good fit and you'll probably find it a loose fit meaning it'll rattle and at best bug the poop out of you. It needs that smooth shank from what I can see.

Basically I think it’ll be an issue. The flat part is most likely designed as a good fit to the inner bearing race. A threaded shank won’t be a good fit and you’ll probably find it a loose fit meaning it’ll rattle and at best bug the poop out of you. It needs that smooth shank from what I can see.

Whilst not the answer i want, it is sadly the answer you'd expect.

I had a similar issue on my Nicolai where a bushing had worn on the Horst link. Didn't really want to pay out the crazy price/shipping but in the end I had to. Admittedly it wasn't the same sort of money you're looking at for the RM kit.
Other than speaking to some small engineering firms and trying to get something made up (it shouldn't be too hard to make something work, it's just finding someone to do it!) or waiting for one of the shops/dealers to turn something up you're a bit snookered by the sounds of it 🙁

Tried 3 Eng firms, none are interested unless you want 100s of them. Which i guess is fair.

If i have to pay $189 then that's how it is and it won't make me smile, but i'll pay if i really have to.

It often comes down to either pay for the parts or have a lump of useless carbon/alloy sitting there in the corner! Bespoke bike parts are a pain in the ar$e!

@weeksy - given it’s near enough a brand new bike shouldn’t the shop you bought it from be sorting this for you?

A new bike shouldn’t be losing that bolt that quickly and then the only solution being a $190 kit from overseas that isn’t even easy to get hold of.

given it’s near enough a brand new bike shouldn’t the shop you bought it from be sorting this for you?

Yeah you'd think so wouldn't you, but they don't have a bolt... they're unlikely to take one out of a bike for me.

weeksy
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Tried 3 Eng firms, none are interested unless you want 100s of them. Which i guess is fair.

Sounds like the wrong sort of firms. You need someone that does tooling and the like, not a production type company.

If you really struggle I know of a company in Glasgow (we use them for tools, jigs, etc) but you'd need to send the remaining part up. Wouldn't be cheap and I'm not sure how he'd get the hex hole in it but I'd be surprised if he couldn't do something

Can RM send you the dimensions ? They won't like it, but that doesn't matter.

You couldn't find it? Metal detector? What a p.i.t.a.

You tried messaging RM on Facebook? Sometimes you can get a human that way.

Don't think they'll deal with a member of public according to their replies in mail.

But thanks, will try.

Can RM send you the dimensions ? They won’t like it, but that doesn’t matter.

You couldn’t find it? Metal detector? What a p.i.t.a.

Got all the dimensions mate, that's easy.

Argh have you tried Setch at Setchfield Cycles?

I'd echo the above comment and reach out to RM via social media, I got a quicker response from them that way than by email.

Argh have you tried Setch at Setchfield Cycles?

Emailed, no reply.

Emailed, no reply.

I'll give him a nudge. Although he gets parts from UK distro so might be same answer.

given it’s near enough a brand new bike shouldn’t the shop you bought it from be sorting this for you?

How has this happened? Has the bolt come undone whilst riding?

Unless you've removed it (never a great idea to spanner anything in a carpark if you can avoid it) surely the bike has been incorrectly assembled, presumably without some form of thread lock, in which case they bloomin well should be sorting this for you!

Unless you’ve removed it (never a great idea to spanner anything in a carpark if you can avoid it) surely the bike has been incorrectly assembled, presumably without some form of thread lock, in which case they bloomin well should be sorting this for you!

I agree... but 'who' would sort it if the bolt in question isn't in the country ? and how ?

I bought from an authorised RM Dealer with full warranty. I've never touched the bolt... but yes it came out.

Dealer i bought it from is 5+ hours away though.

Oh man, I thought you'd been fiddlin! That's surely a warranty issue. Better give you another frame if they won't take the bolt out of one! Bike industry really takes the piss.

Oh man, I thought you’d been fiddlin! That’s surely a warranty issue. Better give you another frame if they won’t take the bolt out of one! Bike industry really takes the piss.

Nopes... not touched the bike, just ridden it a bit... I have a localish dealer AW Cycles who i've been chatting to via Email, but the discussion of warranty hasn't come up yet.

The dealer speaks the to importer who speaks to the manufacturer.  Part gets shipped from manufacturer if necessary.

In the meantime, they need give you a replacement off a bike and put the replacement bolt on the other bike when it makes it's way here.

Sale of goods act is pretty clear on this.  If I was getting stonewalled by the bikeshop I think I would be close to calling the credit card company on this one but that's me.

As an aside I would be significantly worried about pretty much all the other bolts on that bike!  I'd be checking the torque and threadlock specs and insuring it's been assembled correctly.

Note to self: don't buy a RM...

I'm not so sure how much is their/RMs 'fault' as such. The bolt came loose... i've done about 30-40 miles on it, mostly at trail centers. I've had the shock out a few times for fitting a new spring, but not touched the back end at all.

I'm not thinking that anyone is stonewalling me, people are on the case, it's just not apparently very quick as far as processes go 😀

If you’ve got a threaded one that’s the right size I’d just use that in the short term while you try to sort out the correct one. Keep an eye on it each ride. Otherwise you’ve got a bike that you finally like sitting there doing nothing.

The diagram you posted earlier clearly states thread lock should be used. If the bolt was installed without then that would be a warranty issue. Is there any evidence of thread lock being used? Does the other side have thread lock?

The diagram you posted earlier clearly states thread lock should be used. If the bolt was installed without then that would be a warranty issue. Is there any evidence of thread lock being used? Does the other side have thread lock?

Well, that is indeed an intersting one that i've also been pondering... the answer is no. Bolt on the other side has 0 threadlock, nothing 'blue' or any other colour for that matter.

weeksy
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I’m not so sure how much is their/RMs ‘fault’ as such. The bolt came loose… i’ve done about 30-40 miles on it,

Bolts shouldn't come loose in 30-40 miles, its their fault either in assembly or design. For some reason I didn't think this was a new bike, definitely get onto the shop you bought it from .

Edit:

the answer is no. Bolt on the other side has 0 threadlock, nothing ‘blue’ or any other colour for that matter.

there you go, assembly fault as chemical locking not applied. Now go check every other bolt on it!

As said above. The dealer should be sorting you a bolt, even if it’s from another bike (or even their own personal bike) and then replacing that when it arrives.
Otherwise they should be offering you a refund.

If they’re not going to sort you out then please let us all know who the shop is so we can avoid them like a plague.

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what about somewhere like that (other sellers on ebay as well) - small machine shop thats set up for small-batch bolt orders

the answer is no. Bolt on the other side has 0 threadlock, nothing ‘blue’ or any other colour for that matter.

What about the threads in the seatstay? That is where the diagram directs to add it.

Impossible to say, you can't see into them at all, it's blind on the outside and 20mm through the holes.. so wouldn't like to answer that.

What about the threads in the seatstay? That is where the diagram directs to add it.

Either way there would/should be residue on both surfaces, if it's absent it's not a great leap to infer that some hasn't been applied.

Whenever I've done a bearing change I've applied the locktite to the bolt and three years down the line and a couple of bearing changes I've not lost a bolt.

In this instance getting the retailer to consider, let alone admit liability is a whole different ball game. 😒

Not helpful, but had this issue with a Cotic RocketMax.. one of the droplink bolts disappeared on a local loop.
I had to order two replacement bolts.. one with Loctite & the other without (bar a tiniest dab on the top edge)! Amazing the inconsistency you can get even with a hand picked cottage industry brand.

In this instance getting the retailer to consider, let alone admit liability is a whole different ball game.

In truth, i don't want or need either. If i can just get a bolt i'll go away happy, i'll then sort them and check the others that may have been missed. I'm not after anything more than just the correct bolt.

I would definitely be getting the shop to sort it out for you. They should be able to find you a single bolt. Even if they take it off a show room or staff bike

Well the bolts have been ordered from Canada and are hopefully now winging their way over to me/RM in the UK.

I don't see us being sorted for the weekend at Cwmcarn sadly, so i'll be having a debate as to what i'm taking out of the spare DH bike or the Liv bike.... Although looking at the potential for monsoons, i may sit in the van all day drinking coffee 😀 😀

Are you uplifting at Cwmcarn? If so you could take the DH bike and be fine uplift takes you right to the top of the DH runs. There is only one DH run but with 3 options at the top / 2 options lower down.

If you want to do some off piste there’s a bit more pedalling to do. You can do top half of busy Lizzie / Conda and probably mayhem to the mid fire road - then belt along that road until you hit the twrch final section / final section of the DH to take you back to the car park without missing an uplift.

If you do a full off piste run to the bottom you’ll miss an uplift run as it’s a bit of a pedal back round - mostly flat / but takes about 15 mins or so

Well the Trek bolt arrived and whilst it's not exactly the same, the 25mm one is close enough that it works perfectly well. Did 20 frost miles this morning and it was sweet.

Happy days mate. A good hack until your package arrives.

I also now know who to tap up if I lose one of my linkage bolts. 🤣🤣🤣

Bolt kit price, ouch.
Duty fees from Canada, extra ouch.
I feel your pain.

So i got the bolt from RM in a bit of a roundabout way.

It starts in Canada, then got to UK distributor, them RM UK, then to my LBS

Bolt was £12.99 which is fairly reasonable/exepected in terms of pricing. Collected and fitted yesterday, so all good there now

Presumably you didn't have to pay for that after all the discussion re. Threadlock above?

Does the new one have that blue solid stuff pre-applied?