[Closed] Road Tubeless - What Sealent & what repair.

Just switched to Orange after the same prob. with these very tyres.

OK so far...

APF

You don't need to thread the sticky strip (anchovy) through the fork, just put it on the hole and push it in. I do it so the midpoint is over the hole, so that it folds in half as it goes in.

This may not have helped you if the hole was too small for the fork to fit though. Sounds like a right 'mare!

I've been using Orange Seal. In my minimal experience of this so far, anything that doesn't seal itself immediately  (e.g. bigger cuts) gets a boot and a tube.

Been using normal Stans so far. Had a couple of punctures on my Pro 1s - they sealed after 10 mins or so, but wouldn't hold anything like normal pressure - good enough to get home with though. Good job too, as I don't think I could actually get the tyres off at the roadside with a silly pair of plastic levers

Patched with a normal repair kit from the inside at home.

I've now dumped a load of glitter in the Stans, which hopefully should help it seal quicker. Haven't had any punctures yet - partly I suspect because I've taken the (seemingly very fragile) Pro1s off and am currently using an old set of Ones, which have always behaved themselves.

Solved my problems with the Pro Ones by moving to Hutchinson Sector's. Good tyres, and I know I can get them off the rim if I ever have to.

I've had holes seal with Stans in the past but Sundays 2-3mm hole wouldn't hold.

I put a tube in & the tyre came easily off the Mason 4 Season rim wheelset.

Once home I pushed the anchovy through from the inside with a small flat bladed screw driver. I noticed a few cuts in the outer tyre but luckily none have gone right through.

I'll try Orange Seal - reviews look good.

Solved my problems with the Pro Ones by moving to Hutchinson Sector’s. Good tyres, and I know I can get them off the rim if I ever have to.

Couldn't even get the Pro One's to stay seated on mine they were so blooming tight. Hutchinson Fusion much better for me. And I can get them on and off roadside without much bother to get a tube in.

Now I've plugged the hole I can't get the tyre beads to seat on the rim, even with a compressor & soapy water!

Looks like brand change for me too.

Anyone tried the Vittoria tyres?

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/vittoria-corsa-speed-g-tubeless-ready-tyre-graphene/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=5360735216&kpid=5360735216&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=UK_PLA_Components&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mckv%7csjuzaVyuE_dc%7cmcrid%7c67090789262%7cmkw%7c%7cmmt%7c%7cmrd%7c5360735216uk%7cmslid%7c%7c&mkwid=sjuzaVyuE_dc&pcrid=67090789262&prd=5360735216uk&pgrid=17507338262&ptaid=aud-131695477502:pla-121254200462

I found pro ones to be very flimsy and cut easily on the flinty roads round here.  Also, although I didn't struggle to get a strip into them, they couldn't retain it at pressure.  Kack

Stans lumpy jizz ("race" I think) saved one ride when ordinary stans wasn't helping but ditching the pro ones was my best answer.  (the old "one" tyre was heavier and better for it)

I haven't used those Vittoria but they're very light and so potentially also flimsy.  Unlikely to be a choice for me

Orange is a great sealant, but everything struggles with road tyre pressures. For on the road repairs you want a tube. Had the same with my Pro Ones. When home you patch the inside of the tyre.

A great solution for up to about 60psi. Above that, little permanent sealing joy.

And be sure to carry tyre levers with the tube!

EDIT. I ran Corsa Speed g+ all last season on the TT bike. I also raced them at Hillingdon on my road bike. Simply the fastest tyre I have ever ridden. BUT they make Pro Ones look like gatorskins. Absolutely unsuited to anything except. Best day racing. I've punctured one fatally, and another that now runs a latex tube. But the ride is just staggering! Wait till they update their Corsa g+ and Pave replacements would be my advice.

Did I say they are fast as duck?

Might be worth looking at the the Finish Line's new sealant which uses a different technology to the latex and ammonia types and promises 'never' to dry out.

It's due to be on sale in March and if the claims hold up, and puncture performance is up to scratch, it could be a game changer.

https://www.bikerumor.com/2018/02/12/new-finish-line-tubeless-tire-sealant-will-never-dry-out/

There are latex and ammonia free solutions available already; Joes Eco and Uberbike just to name the first two I thought of.  Finish Line's new stuff may be good (not tried, obvs)  but it's hardly a game changer in that respect.  Where it might be different is if it copes better with the higher pressures in use for Road applications.

Sorry to hijack a bit, but seems easier to ask here than start new thread as we're on subject..

Anyone recommend a good tubeless road tyre for an event like Tour of Flanders, always just used Continental GP4000S or 4 Seasons even with tubeless rims as when i bought the wheels there wasn't much choice.

Was looking at the Pro-One, but put off a little now by the comments above i guess? Something fast rolling in a 28c that has a decent longevity too?

Cheers

I've had good experience with the Mavic sealant - fixed a couple of Pro-one holes really well. I mostly use Juice Lubes as it's good value and doesn't dry out, but not had any punctures (that I've noticed) so recommending is difficult!

I had a couple of punctures in Pro Ones, both self-sealed with Conti Revo sealant. I echo the comment that they tyres are a bit flimsy.

vincienup - I wasn't aware of the Joes Eco and Uberbike sealants. I've just had a look on their websites to check on performance claims and the Joe's Eco needs to be replaced every 3-12 months, and the Uberbike stuff promises 'less frequent' topping up implying that it does dry out albeit more slowly than conventional formulas.One of the main advantages of the FL sealant that caught my eye is the 'never' drying out claim - they say it lasts for the life of the tyre.

The sealing performance, particularly at higher pressures, will of course be key. I'm looking forward to see how it performs in eal wold tests.

The ammonia in most latex formulas is to keep stuff runny.  There's been unsubstantiated muttering since the dawn of Stans that it might attack tyres and rims long term but due to the lack of corroboration it's never been a 'thing'.  Whatever Joes and Uberbike are doing formulation wise, creating an everlasting elixir has clearly not been on their map.  TBPH, I don't get the 'dries out' thing as a problem.  I can see that in warmer climes it's a real issue but in the UK at worst I've needed to add a bit of sealant every 6 months if I've even checked.

It's worth remembering that when you setup a tyre in the first place, a lot of the sealant you add is going to be used up sealing the inside of the carcass.  So long as you don't scrape that off (it's doing a job!) then subsequently you'll not need anything like as much as the initial dose to keep the puncture protection properties.  My thought in general is that since it's so rare that a tyre goes beyond a year or so and maybe one top up in that time, I'm not concerned about any possible tiny weight gains from stanimals.

Honestly, the sealant life is a really overthought argument for the UK I think.  High pressure sealing is far more of a selling point and if Finish Line have cracked that then they've got a product that actually differentiates itself from repurposed MTB sealants.

Schwalbe G one speeds would be a good tubeless choice for Flanders. Same tyre as the old One, with a few tiny dimples. Have them on one set of wheels. Not as fast as Pro Ones though, but not bad. You won't be fast, but if it's wet you'll be very glad.

Personally, I'd probably ride latex tubes and Pro Ones. Or source some authentic Vittoria Paves in 27c with the green strip. I wrote one off on its first outing with a sidewall cut last week 🙁 . The front one had previously done all the Flanders cobbles with no complaints.

Personally, I’d probably ride latex tubes and Pro Ones. Or source some authentic Vittoria Paves in 27c with the green strip. I wrote one off on its first outing with a sidewall cut last week  . The front one had previously done all the Flanders cobbles with no complaints.

i used them for Roubaix and they were ace, within week of coming back though they had cut up, if only they could crack a tubeless tyre that felt like that to ride and lasted more than a few months, i'd buy a van load!

Thanks, i'll pick up a set of the G-One and give them a try

Thanks, i’ll pick up a set of the G-One and give them a try

Make sure you go for the G-One Speed and not the All Round. All though the Allrounds are a bit tougher, they're much more of a gravel tyre. Currently running one of each on my commuter having accidentally bought an Allround 🙂

Definitely the G One Speeds! I think you'll like them. Grip reminded me of the paves, rolling resistance is not bad, feel is better than the GP 4 seasons I have on my other winter wheels. Mine are running on non tubeless old ksyriums and they come up as a real 28-30c. And the knobbles wear down leaving you with a fat old One 😉

I run Stans in tyres at 80-90 psi without any problems. Had a few holes which have sealed themselves, one which didn't but got me home (5 miles) and by the next day it had sealed.
Schwalbe G-One TL 30c tyres.

Stans has blown out for me a couple of times around 60psi but have recently had one that's holding my at usual riding pressure of 80/85.

Worst I had was 3 holes in one hit on an off-road section, Stans sealed one and I used Dynaplugs on the other two. Limped back to race HQ on about 20psi.

Have also found Pro-Ones fairly flimsy although they are the nicest I've tried, Hutchinson All Season and Fusion 3 being the others and still pretty decent.

I'm about to fit IRC RBCC with Orange sealant, been happy enough with Stans and Pro-Ones but fancy trying something else.