[Closed] Road rage assault on cyclist - victim sought

Cyclist is a bit of a dick, but as far as I am aware there is no law against this.

However, there are laws against driving into ASL's and assaulting people. Taking a swing at someone when they are straddling a bike is also the mark of a coward.

Carry on as you were

Can we agree that by intending to pull away alongside the cyclist he was affecting the safety of the cyclist?

No. I don't agree with that at all.

I must be watching the wrong video though as I still cannot see the bit when he nearly ran over the cyclist.

I must be watching the wrong video though as I still cannot see the bit when he nearly ran over the cyclist.

I think it's down to his foot now.

Mind you, if I've remonstrated with a car-driver in the past (and I have), I tend not to put my foot under the rear wheel when I've done it.

Do you think it is unsafe overtaking of a cyclist? Did the driver do anything wrong at all???????

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Can we agree that by intending to pull away alongside the cyclist he was affecting the safety of the cyclist?

[quote=theocb opined]Did the driver do anything wrong at all???????

The police appear to think so.

I think some of the nonchalance to the driving is that such dangerous stuff is so commonplace.

I'll ask it again;

What was the point of chasing the driver down like that? What did he hope to achieve? Why could he not have simply shrugged his shoulders and let him carry on driving like a fin de cloche on someone else's stretch of road?

The driver was in the wrong, that we can all agree. The cyclist was, to my mind, an ever bigger idiot for chasing him down. Utterly pointless, needlessly angry.

Aracer I agree with law, not every law , and if I chose to break it I would accept what was coming to me knowing I did what I thought was right.

I would apologise for my initial infringement in hope it would diffuse the situation, as I get no joy out of thumping people, but I would if I had to.

I know what the ASL is for and I know that the driver should not have been there. I do not agree though that that piece of poor driving was placing the cyclists in any particular danger

What time in the video is the foot/nearly run over/nearly dead bit (mins and secs) just so I can see it?

[quote=CaptainFlashheart opined]The cyclist was, to my mind, an ever bigger fin de cloche for chasing him down. Utterly pointless, needlessly angry asshat.

Worse than the chap who punched him?

[quote=chip opined]Aracer I agree with law, not every law , and if I chose to break it I would accept what was coming to me knowing I did what I thought was right.

Is it just me then who thinks the law has it right to treat punching somebody as more serious than shouting, and not a proportionate response?

I get no joy out of thumping people, but I would if I had to.

In what situations do you "have to"?

Worse than the chap who punched him?

The law says no. I think that's how we're judging EVERYTHING from NOW ON.

Well it seems a reasonable law to me, but clearly I'm in a minority amongst the bruisers on here.

What time in the video is the foot/nearly run over/nearly dead bit (mins and secs) just so I can see it?

Around 0.30 (though it helps to watch the preceding 30 seconds for context).

life is too short to get that wound up about things. In the cyclists case, life will be very short indeed if that is how stressed he gets over something that, I assume, he is likely to experience on every commute (ASL infringement, not being punched)

I can't believe (1) this thread is still going and (2) aracer is still going on it.

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Around 0.30 (though it helps to watch the preceding 30 seconds for context).

Thanks

I've seem the whole thing a few times, this means I can look out for the near death bit that I have missed before.

<waves at al>

I do have better things to do than argue with brawlers...

franksinatra - Member
life is too short to get that wound up about things. In the cyclists case, life will be very short indeed if that is how stressed he gets over something that, I assume, he is likely to experience on every commute (ASL infringement, not being punched)

Hear, hear!

I see so many just like him on my commute, angry, stressy shouty people, almost looking for something to be annoyed at. Sad, really.

I may have to nominate you for an award at the annual Big Hitter dinner.

Around 0.30 (though it helps to watch the preceding 30 seconds for context).

Nope still don't see it. All I see is Mr Angry moving back to position his feet between the car wheels, followed by the car driving off when the lights change.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
I see so many just like him on my commute, angry, stressy shouty people, almost looking for something to be annoyed at. Sad, really.

I think the occasions on which you have a chance of persuading a driver their driving needs reassessed are rare, and if you have one, the above approach is just about the worst.

I think the occasions on which you have a chance of persuading a driver their driving needs reassessed are rare, and if you have one, the above approach is just about the worst.

Spot on.

But you're not breaking any LAW. So who cares what's reasonable behaviour. Just do wtf you want as long as you don't break the LAW.

The point we're all missing is that the cyclist uses "you nearly ran over my foot" as an reason/excuse for his ranty behaviour. (in my opinion)

The driver was a naughty man for entering the ASL.

The cyclist was affronted that the driver apparently ignored his attempts to correct his driving behaviour/offending against the Road Traffic Act.

The cyclist showed a great turn of speed in chasing down the car.

The cyclist looked and sounded really, really angry when he shouted his rude words at the car/driver. From some interpretations this could be an offence against the public order act and or common law breach of the peace.

The passenger was a naughty man when he got out and punched the cyclist.

The cyclist turned and rode back the way he came. Now, from my observations this was either to go back the way he originally intended to go, or to simply escape the nasty people in the Audi, or, a third, more personal theory, judging by the look on his face as he turns, to nip home for a clean pair of boxers.

Now, real world dwellers have mistakenly used words like "had it coming" "deserved a slap" which has irritated the ideal world dwellers. He did not deserve a slap, and the punching thing was very wrong. The passenger may offer mitigation, but a defence will be weak. So the law says he did not deserve a slap.

However, there are very few who inhabit the real world that can be at all surprised that he got punched. My personal observation is that he took it upon himself to educate the driver, got affronted, acted all hard and met someone who thought he needed putting in his place.

Based on this and many other similar shouty sweary commuter videos, I have made a personal decision not to shout or make rude gestures at car drivers.

I only make rude gestures when I know I have an escape route. And I behave within the LAW at all times.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

I see so many just like him on my commute, angry, stressy shouty people, almost looking for something to be annoyed at.

I don't see any. Have you considered that there may be a reason you are surrounded by angry, stressy shouty people? 😉

Scapegoat - Member

The point we're all missing is that the cyclist uses "you nearly ran over my foot" as an reason/excuse for his ranty behaviour

I don't think we're missing that it's the reason for his behaviour tbh. I mean, it is what he rants about.

Just for reference, the car doesn't drive off when the lights change. It jumps the red light.
But still, its all the cyclists fault isn't it.

But still, its all the cyclists fault isn't it.

Not according to the law.

[quote=uselesshippy ]Just for reference, the car doesn't drive off when the lights change. It jumps the red light.
Not on the copy of the video linked to in this thread- unless you are counting the moment when he infringes the ASL (i.e. breaks the LAW!!!!))

Perhaps just dropping one of these infront of a ASL abuser would work?

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[quote=cynic-al opined]I think the occasions on which you have a chance of persuading a driver their driving needs reassessed are rare, and if you have one, the above approach is just about the worst.

I don't have anything to add, but for those who haven't read the whole thread where I've previously agreed with similar sentiments I totally agree with that.

Perhaps just dropping one of these infront of a ASL abuser would work?

Might cause him to fall off his bicycle and get in the way of the cars even more?

EDIT: i'm joking by the way, just surprised at how many people thought the cyclist was the "abuser" for simply not staying as left as possible in the ASL

uselesshippy » Just for reference, the car doesn't drive off when the lights change. It jumps the red light.
Not on the copy of the video linked to in this thread- unless you are counting the moment when he infringes the ASL (i.e. breaks the LAW!!!!))

morning all:-)

hey, anyone round here ever ride a mountain bike?

hey, anyone round here ever ride a mountain bike?

A what?

[quote=asterix ]morning all:-)
hey, anyone round here ever ride a mountain bike?
Yep. They just discuss it on threads about mountain biking. Were you disappointed to open this thread and find it to be about something else?

Does anyone around here ride any type of bike? 😀

*dunks hobnob in tea*

Scapegoat. This real world education you are talking about has been created by punchy thugs who can't accept they did something wrong.

Maybe the real world needs to learn that if you drive like a muppet with no regard for how safe others feel while breaking basic traffic safety rules then you are likely to get called names and get sworn at a bit.

The response is to apologise for your bad driving even in the real world 😀 Education is the key.

morning all:-)

hey, anyone round here ever ride a mountain bike?

🙂

asterix - morning all:-)

hey, anyone round here ever ride a mountain bike?

Tsk. The gaul of some people...

I now being of an age where I have attained immense wisdom would as a rule normally let insult go over my head if I did not feel threatened.
But when I have been with friends who are less likely to stick up for them selfs and they find themselves being verbally assulted i have in the past smacked the abuser without warning or argument because I can't stand people who bully people.

Also if I was the passenger and it was my car I had let a friend drive and that cyclist had behaved like that I would be very nervous to say the least and may have expressed that physically.

The gaul of some people...

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The use of words he deserves a slap is important, I think he deserve a slap, but then they all do it doesn't mean I would go and do it.

My commute is great freindly, no stressed people, but it is at 5.30 in the morning and 4 in the afternoon and I live in the county side.
Deserving a slap and get one are 2 different things. Im sure the majority of people saying he deserved one wouldn't get out there car and actuly do it.

The gaul of some people...

[quote=chip opined]I can't stand people who bully people.

Like those who smack people without warning or argument.

I'm afraid your statements make you a punchy thug, and that isn't meant ironically. In the real world I live in people don't punch other people - I've been insulted and got very angry with other people and somehow managed to restrain myself. If I live in a nice middle class cocoon away from the punchy thugs like you, then I'm very glad of that.

[quote=Rscott opined]Deserving a slap and get one are 2 different things. Im sure the majority of people saying he deserved one wouldn't get out there car and actuly do it.

But you are suggesting the passenger is right to thump him, which is where we have a serious disagreement. In my world there is almost never a good reason to punch somebody, and that is certainly a long, long way away. Thankfully the law agrees with me.

If that wasn't what you meant, then you should use a word other than "deserves" which means something different - in my real world the meaning of words is important.

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No, most bully's never resort to violence because they have no need due to only picking on people they perceive to be weeker than themselves and who they intimidate with the threat of violence.

I don't believe in threatening people. If I was going to hit I would hit , not tell them I am going to.

So do you only hit people you perceive are weaker than you and just a bit shouty, or also those you think will hit you back?

I find it interesting that you describe the cyclist as a bully despite him being in a weaker position than the person he's shouting at.

chip - Member

I can't stand people who bully people.

What, like, driving too fast and too close past them in a 1 ton steel box, then punching them? Right on, welcome to team cyclist!

The depiction of the cyclist as a bully is kind of insane.

By about page 3 this thread was already like Groundhog Day, it's just getting daft now. I can't believe the OP is still bothering to reply!

Although there must be something about it coz I can't help checking in on it now and again 😕

I don't go around hitting people as a rule can't remember last time I did,
But when threatened I would do, and not because someone's weeker than me.

And I am not team cyclist.
I am a mototorist, a cyclist, a passenger and a pedestrian.

It's your team cyclist, them or us attitude that's the problem here.
A numpty by any other name is still a numpty.

chip - Member

But when threatened I would do

Yep, and replace "threatened" with "criticised for being a ****" and that's what we have here.

[quote=Northwind opined]The depiction of the cyclist as a bully is kind of insane.

This +1000 - he is simply reacting with anger in the way most of us who ride on the roads have done when a motorist has done something we perceive to be dangerous. OK so maybe he was wrong about it being dangerous (though it's only the ingrained normality of poor driving standards which sees anything other than doing things very carefully in a motor car as not being dangerous), he was certainly wrong to react in the way he did, but the idea he was acting as a bully is quite bizarre.

Oh, and if any of those who would happily punch somebody wants to claim they wouldn't ever react with anger to what a driver does, they've either never ridden on the roads or need to get a fire extinguisher for their pants.

I ride on the roads all the time, and have been passed very closely on occasion,
And do not even raise a hand to stick up any amount of fingers to them or even the more flamboyant Nescafé bean shake , never mind shout obscenitys as it serves no purpose.

If they did not realise there driving was not the best they would just think I ( or maybe all cyclists were cocks ), or if they did it on purpose , I just have given them the response they wanted ( and maybe reinforcincing their current view that all cyclists were cocks).

Northwood, I agree, but I understand there are many people who would feel threatened by someone who is screaming obscenities whilst enraged.

Northwood, I agree, but I understand there are many people who would feel threatened by some when screeming obscenities while enraged.

& in this case, the passenger felt [i]so[/i] threatened he got out of the car in order to smack the other guy.....

aracer - Member
So do you only hit people you perceive are weaker than you and just a bit shouty, or also those you think will hit you back?

I find it interesting that you describe the cyclist as a bully despite him being in a weaker position than the person he's shouting at.

I am not condoning the car passengers action but if I had my wife & son in the car i would have got out of the car, probably would not have punched.
But 10 years ago back in Edinburgh and on my own I would have 👿

Some people just think there never going to pay the price of actions. Bit like on here. When the keyboard warriors have/take a chance of being rude to someone for bad punctuation or not having the same opinion as them. Doubt they would tell the Chavs or the like in the pub how to speak properly or tell them there opinion is wrong.

Which doesn't make the chavs in the pub right - it makes them bullies.

Though applause for your suggested actions with family in the car seems perfectly reasonable (though I hope you wouldn't drive like that in the first place).

I dont think it was the driver that punched the cyclist. It was the passenger.

Did the car run over his foot?

I think we really are 6 days ahead now...

Did the car run over his foot?

No.

The cyclist was more annoyed that the driver just drove off without listening to his lecture. He blazed into the driver like there was no tomorrow.

he paid the price.

[i]& in this case, the passenger felt so threatened he got out of the car in order to smack the other guy..... [/i]

Wow. After all these years I thought I got my head kicked in by bullies at school because they were nasty, vicious thugs. Turns out it's my fault. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm with aracer on this one. Regardless of the behaviour of the cyclist 'oooh the nasty man is shouting at me', punching him was a)completely innapropriate, b) Outright thuggery and c) really, really stupid due to the number of witnesses about.

Anyone who thinks otherwise really needs to grow up.

Wow. After all these years I thought I got my head kicked in by bullies at school because they were nasty, vicious thugs. Turns out it's my fault. Thanks for clearing that up.

did you by any chance run around shouting at people and calling them pricks when you were at school? that would explain a few things eh?

You're right. Of course that sort of behaviour is expected when you're dealing with children.

I don't understand the people here who believe it is ok to run your mouth abusively and in a threatening manor but then plead that putting your Hands on someone makes you a bully.

What if the driver had been of a nervous disposition and panicked and tried to drive away causing an accident.

You don't have to lay your hands on someone to be a bully, there are young kids taking there own lives due to constant bullying on the net through social networks.

Just because the cyclist channelled his venom through words does not make him not a horrible ****.

[i]What if the driver had been of a nervous disposition and panicked and tried to drive away causing an accident.[/i]

Can you see the bit in the video where he uses a 2 ton car to force his way past a lightly built man?

yeah, I'm sure he was terrified.

He doesn't use a two ton car to force his way through,
That implies that he some how shunted the cyclist out of the way.

Either your seeing something different from me or you refuse to see what I see.

clearly. I can see a bloke ride into an ASL and then see a driver position s 2 ton car into the ASL alongside the rider with the clear intent of pushing past the rider. I'm not sure what you're seeing.

Regardless of whether you can see this or not, I'm fairly certain the most scared person was the rider.

He doesn't use a two ton car to force his way through,
That implies that he some how shunted the cyclist out of the way.

Either your seeing something different from me or you refuse to see what I see.

agreed, absolutely no forcing going on there. I saw someone driving around an annoying cyclist with a big mouth.

I also agree with what you say about bullying. Its not only the use of violence that is classed as bullying. You will hear many women attest that.

with the clear intent of pushing past the rider

I didn't see any pushing. Does that mean he failed to do what he intended to do?

Fair enough lads, you keep believing what you want and picking holes in English idiom.

In my book any person using their size and power to achieve their goal is a bully which is precisely what we're seeing with this car driver. And you're sticking up for him. Good for you.

Oh dear, it's on the Daily Fail website now 😆 With such classic comments as:

mollysgarden, lichfield, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago
Probably the same cyclist who runs red lights and cycles on footpaths.

rossifan46, stourport on severn, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago

personally i blame the cyclist, he was the one shouting his mouth off and seems a bit too big for his boots, fair play to the audi bloke for showing him the floor.

Minou, London, United Kingdom, 2 hours ago

Cyclist = total nightmare....They think they can do whatever! The most annoying people on the road....They put every driver at risk.....99% of the time, it is cyclist fault but in the eyes of the law SADLY it is always the driver fault. In London all cyclist should be banned. They should get penalties, fine, road tax.....TOTAL NUISANCE

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http://www.****/news/article-2546709/Moment-Audi-passenger-got-car-PUNCHED-cyclist-pushing-bike-taxi-shocking-act-road-rage.html

Apols if already posted, search didn't bring anything up.

I'll tell you what I see, I see a guy sitting waiting patiently behind a ASL and 3,4 cyclists pull up in an orderly fashion 2 abreast then someone who thinks he doesn't have to wait (unlike the guy filming for instance) and then goes three abreast (hey, say, isn't that against the Highway Code?) and then sits waaaay out in to 'other guys lane' and is going to slow him from getting away from the lights and then the other guy goes sod this and pulls forwards... Probably to stop anybody else doing the same four or five abreast.

Now I'm not going to say that any of this justifies the cyclist getting lamped but I bet you if he had queued up like everybody else then Audi man would have stayed behind tha ASL and none of this shit would have happened.

It's almost like he said to him, White Audi, must be a tosser, I'll show [i]him[/i]. I think it was a deliberate provocative act myself.

[quote=metalheart ]I'll tell you what I see, I see a guy sitting waiting patiently behind a ASL and 3,4 cyclists pull up in an orderly fashion 2 abreast then someone who thinks he doesn't have to wait (unlike the guy filming for instance) and then goes three abreast (hey, say, isn't that against the Highway Code?) and then sits waaaay out in to 'other guys lane' and is going to slow him from getting away from the lights and then the other guy goes sod this and pulls forwards... Probably to stop anybody else doing the same four or five abreast.
You really have no idea what an ASL is for then?

Can you see the bit in the video where he uses a 2 ton car to force his way past a lightly built man?

yeah, I'm sure he was terrified.

Regardless of whether you can see this or not, I'm fairly certain the most scared person was the rider.

Wait, so the rider was really scared? So scared that he decided to chase after the guy and aggressively shout with his face right up to the car window? 😕

Hitting people is the behaviour of a bully - but chasing after someone so you can shout at them is fine?

I would find someone chasing me and shouting at me like that extremely intimidating if it happened to me.

metalheart You really have no idea what an ASL is for then?

Let me guess, is it to allow cyclists to stop 'in front' of cars so they are more readily seen and give them a better start off at lights?

Now, just how many is the maximum cyclists abreast allowed by the Highway Code again?

The guy just couldn't wait (like everybody else) now could he?

Can you see the bit in the video where he uses a 2 ton car to force his way past a lightly built man?

It is not a 2 tone car is it now. Exaggerations being thrown around all over the place now. I don't know 🙄