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 core
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I've recently built up a scandal frame, 2x10, mixture of xt and deore, heavy formula/sun ringle tubed wheelset with x kings. Reba solo air 100mm.

But, having ridden it off road a few times, I'm not that enamored with it, not sure why, I'm just not very confident descending, and to me it felt quite twitchy/light on the front on the climbs. With the seatpost at a reasonable height for climbing, I always felt like I might tip off the back. (straight post). Only running a 50mm stem (on one recommend 40 - 60mm), 6ft tall on a large frame. Longer stem may help on climbs I guess, but could stretch my arms out too much on a large frame I think.

Anyway, most of that is immaterial as I also have a fairly freshly built up 26" soul (straight steerer, no dropper - how retro......), which I'm really liking off road, and wouldn't want to take the scandal over it for a proper off road ride, as I know it won't be as much fun.

With that in mind, and the scandal looking only to get used for road/easy bridleway/bikepacking/fire track type riding (I really cannot justify ditching it for a CX bike, regardless of how much I want one). I'm thinking a rigid fork would serve me better, and save some weight, I may also cut the bars down (currently 740mm) and fit bar ends.

Thoughts? The MKM fork from on one is current favourite but are there any other similarly priced forks I should be considering? And does the above seem logical?

Cheers,

Sam


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 8:42 am
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I ran a niner fork on my Scandal for a bit - was good as long as you weren't hammering into stuff.

I've got these £80 Chinese jobs on my Titus now. They're really good, very stiff even over lots of roots etc. - they have a tapered steerer and 15mm axle.

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Posted : 06/05/2015 8:54 am
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I run a 75 mm stem on inbred 29er (and scandal 29er before) - I don't get where on one come from with such short stem recommendation on the scandal and inbred, I don't think they ride very well at all with them for general all round use.

It's worth experimenting with a few different stem lengths.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 8:55 am
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Have 100mm Reba on mine, though do run it with a longer stem (90mm, slammed, and I think with a 10 degree drop) and 690mm flat bars. Also run a post with a fair bit of layback. 740mm with a 50mm stem is slack enduro bike territory, not XC bike.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:00 am
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Mine is as per mrblobby's, but an 80mm fork. Handles great imo. It is an xc bike.
Also, after much dicking about, I've settled on a suspension fork with gears and rigid with a singlespeed. Just works with the sit n'spin v out-of-the saddle-all-the-time approach.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:07 am
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from there, the bars are definitely going to get cut down, and I have a 90mm stem I could try for now, but guess will end up with something somewhere between......

Where did you source those forks wwaswas?


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:09 am
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these ones;

[url= http://www.flyxii.com/en/products/flx-fk-008-15mm-matt.html ]http://www.flyxii.com/en/products/flx-fk-008-15mm-matt.html[/url]

do check the a-c and offset 'suit you' though. The 15mm axle doesn't have a captive nut on these, either, it's like a giant QR, basically.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:13 am
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6'2" on the 19" scandal, 60mm stem, had the fugly onone carbon forks and now manitou tower 80mm, slight layback on the saddle but not much. Strange to hear your experiences. Mine doesn't feel like that, quite the reverse actually, weight forward, lovely for climbing, nice in sinuous singletrack not so great for trying to throw it into turns - guess thats a big wheel thing. Had some [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/help-arm-pain-with-new-bike ]setup issues[/url] which I'm hoping have gone now, TBC, but other wise I quite like it. Unfortunately until I know the issues have been fixed I'm not going to try any epic rides on it (pity coz big rides was what I bought it for) but been getting a few short (15-25mile) not too tech* rides on it and it's been good, big wheels are [b]fast[/b] up and along.

*gets down stuff ok, just not very confidently - it's a mile muncher and is setup as such, not a thrasher I have other, bouncier bikes for that.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:19 am
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I've got a Scandal 29er setup with 100mm reba's 75mm stem and 720mm bars. I've found it to be the most versatile bike I've owned, and quite a capable descender. Its been down most of the rocky downhills in the peak, across the trans-cambrian, and done 100k xc days in the woods.

The biggest change for me was a dropper post, and decent width tyres - transformed its ability downhill for me.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:34 am
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I'm just building one now, first testride confirmed what I expected- it's very much an oldschool xc bike. My old 26er was like that too, it had some delusions of being a 130mm trailbike but really wasn't good at it. I've put a 70mm stem on it for now (but bars with hardly any backsweep so it's probably effectively 80mm)

Not entirely sure if it'll be a stayer tbh. But I built it to be different to my other bikes so maybe. I can see me maybe picking up a Stache frame or something


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 9:41 am
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Just over 6ft & ride a large too( 😉 )- Mine's got 70mm stem, use it with either 100mm Reba's or On One's old type 29er carbon forks. Has a Richey seatpost with 25mm offset & straight bars... Rides like a dream TBH & is really comfortable for long days in the saddle. Rode plenty of places with it & done a couple of enduro type events(Dyfi & CYB)on it, goes 'n down well...


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 10:24 am
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Are you running a slackset in that, or standard angles?


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 2:27 pm
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6'2 on a large Mk1 scandal 29er. Was nice with some rigid motogrande forks, stuck some 100mm dual air reba's on it and the front end felt very light. Moved to an inline seatpost to help shift the saddle forward whilst retaining some saddle flex (if I clamp the seat rails too far rearward the saddle loses flexibility).

I run a 100mm stem which up until a few months ago ran normal with 710mm azonic risers. I now run it upside down with 711mm easton haven bars. Much more stable on climbs with the lower position, yet still OK on descents.

Still feels slightly short If I'm honest.


 
Posted : 06/05/2015 2:45 pm
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Are you running a slackset in that, or standard angles

Standard.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 7:07 am
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This is interesting, I am 5' 11 1/2", relatively short legs for my height, and have had a medium mark 1 Scandal for years as my main ride. I use it for going up and down steep stuff and find it spot-on, I found a 100mm stem too long so now have 80, with an almost straight seatpost. This is with zero-rise sweepy forks. If anything, my problem climbing, moving from a 26er, was having to remember to sit more upright to get more weight over the rear wheel for grip.

Anyhow, I have had it rigid and bouncy, both good but avoid steel forks - suspension corrected 29er steel forks seem to be all way too noodly, I had On-One carbon legged forks which are good.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 7:58 am
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I think the main thing I'm finding is that I absolutely need an inline post for it- I've got the saddle rammed right forwards on the rails and it's more or less OK. Actually giving a little bit of thought to running my old xlite layback post back to front 😆

I think perhaps mostly because it needs a 400mm seatpost even though it's a medium and I'm a 5'10, so I'm pushed a long way back.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 1:14 pm
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@ NW - Sounds like you need one of those 29er specific Fizik saddles 😉


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 1:42 pm
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That's probably where I'm going wrong, all my stuff is 26 specific.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 1:54 pm
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I also ride a large MK1, I'm 6' & run a 70mm stem & 700mm flat bars with 440mm On-one carbon rigid's or old skool RC31's if I'm trying to save weight (they normally last one ride before I swap them back again 😉 ).
The bike is great for longer rides & surprisingly good in singletrack thanks to the steep head angle.

I'm currently thinking of putting some CX tyres on it as I don't want a road or CX bike & I use another bike for more normal fun rides.

Crappy pic

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Cheers.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 6:09 pm
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Love my scandal setup with some xlite rigid forks, has coped with some rough tracks in the peak district and all day rides. Did the BHF peeak ride on it and was glad of the lightness of the bike.


 
Posted : 07/05/2015 9:19 pm
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I loved mine.
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Posted : 07/05/2015 9:37 pm
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If anyone has a 19.5" scandal for sale, pls drop me an email. Ta.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 10:15 am
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Ooh has this become a post a photo of your Scandal thread 🙂

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Seatpost and saddle since swapped for a nice carbon Ritchey and an SLR. Got an Absolute Black oval ring to try on there too. Didn't get on with the foam grips either, swapped for some WTB Trail.


 
Posted : 11/05/2015 10:25 am

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