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I've been riding Sherewood Pines (locally known as Clippo) for about 10 years now and know pretty much all of it like the back of my hand. Consequently I can pick up and detour off the newly marked trails at various points without having to follow the arrows.
I was doing just that on Sunday when a couple of guys (separately) coming in the opposite direction shouted "You're going the wrong way!!" (I was not [i]IN[/i] there way I hasten to add).
Does this mean that the trails I have ridden (in both directions) for the last 10 years are now restricted to 'one way', just because it has a route arrow on it. Which, let's face it, are there primarily for people from outside the area who don't know where they are going?
Discuss.
Your not local...
I'd say not, if there really was a pre-existing 2-way trail. Anyone on it ought to be riding in control anyway, so there shouldn't really be a problem.
I guess it depends whether or not someone is coming at you, at speed
If they aren't expecting people coming the other way it could get hairy
The signs aren't up yet are they? If not then it can't exaclty be one way
unless its dangerous like riding the wrong way round the GT black or something similar - then i ride the trails whatever way i want,
by definition single track is one way
i'd say one of you was going to wrong way.
sofa - I didn't say I was local.
uplink - in this instance there are very few places you could be going that fast without being able to see ahead.
james - there are some red arrow sign posts up already
by definition single track is one way
I disagree, there's no part of a definition of singletrack that says is has to be attacked one way. The only time it is one way is if signs are present stating that, placed there by an authority of some sort. Otherwise it is just a trail.
Wrong way i'd say, sorry.
T_Ridg - LOL
Sinlgetrack means it's only wide enough to ride one behind the other, as in 'single file', not single as in one direction.
In places like Dalby, I wouldn't expect to see anyone riding the red route backwards. Saying that, the sections are waymarked, and the exit points are clearly marked No Entry. Having said that, having a cheeky downhill play on black climbs is something I do, but it is usually outside of the busy times when we know that there's no riders on the trails.
If its an old local trail that get signed as a one way the its a bit rich to try to make you only ride in that direction, in reality you will still ride it either way. You will have unknowing riders coming the opposite way so its only fair you give way to them , and bite your lip if someone shouts at you.
Although getting your local trails blocked off due to a new official trail going through it is a despicable act, and is a worthy case for a length of 2 inch timber in a dark alley >:-D
I don't mind going the wrong way but always inteh dark so i get plenty of warning from oncoming lights.
Is it possible they were trying to be helpfull? As in "you're going the wrong way you may be lost".
'wrong way' usually just means 'it's easier this way'. One way signs on a trail are to be ignored.
One way signs on a trail are to be ignored.
If you were a [i]real[/i] rebel you wouldn't even acknowledge the signs' existence. 😉
Depends on the situation I guess, but if for example I met someone riding up one of the majority of waymarked singletrack descents I'd be downright miffed as it'd be dangerous for both of us.
I think there is a difference between trail centers with purpose built trails where you would quite rightly expect everyone to be going the same way and existing trails which have simply been adopted into a signed route.
I would be proper pi55ed off if I came across someone riding Coed y Brenin the wrong way, as brakeswithface says it would be dangerous for both.
Kevonakona - you must see the best in people, I hadn't thought of that.
Yeah, guess I'm thinking about purpose built trails rather than newly waymarket ones.
Trail centres the wrong way is allowed after dark
maybe they meant the wrong way in a more general sense? Perhaps they were religious types and were commenting on your lifestyle?
Are trail way markings law? As in you can ride the 'wrong' way but on-coming riders have right of way and if you are involved in an accident you are automatically in the wrong.
Last time I was at GT there were two blokes coming down on of the climbs. They had stopped at the side and other people had gone past without saying anything so I kept my mouth shut.
Riding up a known descent is just dangerous. However descending a known climb should be quite safe as you should be prepared to stop at short notice. I've never really had the urge to descend any waymarked climbs as they seem quite dull.
If you're going the wrong way according to the arrows that most people will follow (including riders of lower skill level-everyone in your case) then you should always be prepared to give way.
Common sense really.
by definition single track is one way
wrong. One way [b]at a time[/b] perhaps...
singletrack. one mountain. no markers. no centre. no direction:
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Is Sherwood Pines not a trail centre now?
fwiw, I last rode it when they were half way through the trail building, and we had no way of knowing what was the "approved" direction.
I can understand you being annoyed at having regular trails messed around with, but like any trail centre route, riding it the "wrong" way when it is likely to be busy is potentially dangerous, especially as Sherwood Pines may well be attracting a lot of less experienced riders.
And if you ride it regularly, did you not get involved/offer an opinion when the trails were being planned?
When it's quiet, it's up to you, though, as others have said
If there are signs then probably best to follow them, if nothing else then just so you don't give any-one else a headache
We went the wrong way round Dalby red on Friday night when there was no one around. Lots of it was better than the right way around. Is there a chance they put the signs up backwards by accident?
[i]by definition single track is one way[/i] Then you don't know the definition of singletrack. Are all singletrack roads restricted to one way in case 2 cars collide? Wouldn't bother me if someone rode the 'wrong way'. And if I was local to way marked trails I would ride whatever way I wanted - although with some caution where visibility was limited.
I went the wrong way at Cymcarn once.. 😕 All I could think was that I was even more rubbish than I had thought before and that the Welsh riders were hard as nails. (never been before and there was a van in front of the start. Mid week and didn't meet anyone anyway/fortunately. Did it the right way afterwards when a mate turned up and realised what had happened. duh
artificial trail centre? stick with what was designed. Your local track buggered about by an outsider from a company based in Edinburgh? Tell them to shove it. I was here first is the idea rather than cater for outsiders. 😈
Simon how far is that route? Ta
Which way are you supposed to ride the wall on the timberland trail, ashton court? The way it's signed or the (better) way the Bristol Bikefest takes you round it?!
Ashton Court, a prime example of "my way is the best way even if its the wrong way"
My girlfriend has been put off riding the timberland trail after someone riding the wrong way forced her off the trail and caused her to fall off, twisting her knee, then rode off without even apologising.
What is the point of setting up a nice loop suitable for beginners if then people hoon it in the wrong direction causing those riding the right way to stop / pull over / fall off. The "singletrack" sections are just that, not wide enough for people to pass at speed.
I know the trails have been there for years and we all ride them the wrong way, but where there is a sign posted route put in place then surely the signs should be followed for the safety of those on the trails.
myself and a friend were riding at Swinley the last weekend, again there are so many different trails they don't mark them, everyone knows it's kinda...make it up as you go along. We have a good route worked out and whilst pedaling away on a climb we saw a middle age guy hurtling down on a hardtail, no helmet on, clearly not in much control, we moved over and let him by, next thing we hear is a load of abuse when he's ridden a fair distance away about how it was downhill only and how we were stupid etc etc, this coming from a guy out of control with no helmet on!
So no i don't think there is a direction to travel in unless it's sign posted, everyone else i have met coming the other way has been very courteous and moved over or said thank-you to me for moving over. Some people just want to have a moan!
Hugh
simonfbarnes that route is quite clearly down. 🙄
if it's a trail centre then riding the wrong way will be both rubbish and wrong.
if it's just normal trails then do what you want.
Oddly, I agree with the Japanese warrior on this one
Ask the trail centre or who owns the land.
The Timberland trail in Bristol is a small trail but is sign and map posted for directions and people do cheekily ride the other way.
Forest unmarked trails-do what want.
Just be careful at speed or of anyone riding or walking/jogging towards you.
Not just bikes too.
If arrows are posted indicating its one way then its one way - as simple as that. If no arrows posted then its a two way street. For example: if I met someone coming up (the wrong way) say the last section of Whites Level at Afan Id give them a right good b*llcking. But where I am right now (California) the trails work in both directions so I ride accordingly.
If the trails are indicated as being one way, to ride against the indicated direction is irresponsible & feking dangerous.
If not crack on but be aware.
Original way rules and local riders on those trails will know which way is correct. Any later sign posting for the benefit of more recent riders is irrelevant
I hate the "Obey the Signs" crowd.
Generally the trails existed long before your poxy little arrows got put up, so back off city-boys and let the locals do the real riding!
I hate the "Obey the Signs" crowd.Generally the trails existed long before your poxy little arrows got put up, so back off city-boys and let the locals do the real riding!
What a ****ty comment - do you own the trails?
Just because you were 'there first' doesn't automatically make you right.....
The Timberland trail in Bristol is a small trail but is sign and map posted for directions and people do cheekily ride the other way.
The trails in Ashton Court existed [b]long[/b] before anyone put arrows up. Even then though there was a 'right' way round to get the best out of them. Going the other way was fine for a bit of a change though.
what if you made the trail as a bit of cheek and it got signposted by 'the man' ?
[i]Just because you were 'there first' doesn't automatically make you right..... [/i]
indeed. And just because someone has arbitrarily decided that one way round is 'correct' doesn't make it right either.
ndeed. And just because someone has arbitrarily decided that one way round is 'correct' doesn't make it right either.
Except that that's the way round almost everyone else will be going and could cause accidents like the guy's girlfriend's a few posts ago.
[i]Except that that's the way round almost everyone else will be going and could cause accidents like the guy's girlfriend's a few posts ago. [/i]
This is the problem with 'this way is right'. People assume that it's safe to blat along without wondering what's around the next corner.
So how do you suggest signposting places to allow lots of people who don't know the area to use them? Oh of course, only locals who 'know them like the back of their hand' should be able to use them.
[i]So how do you suggest signposting places to allow lots of people who don't know the area to use them? Oh of course, only locals who 'know them like the back of their hand' should be able to use them. [/i]
sorry, that one at me? I don't think I've ever mentioned anything along the lines of 'only locals should be able to use them'.
I'll answer it just in case it is aimed at me. By all means have trail markers to show that this track is part of the black loop, or whatever. Just don't make them one way only. Fairly simple really.
indeed. And just because someone has arbitrarily decided that one way round is 'correct' doesn't make it right either.
Exactly, so why moan about it?
[i]Exactly, so why moan about it? [/i]
Precisely. Only it's the people who have a problem with someone going 'the wrong way' who seem to be doing the moaning.
So how do you suggest signposting places to allow lots of people who don't know the area to use them?
"Two way traffic"
I can think of hundreds of miles of 2 way bridleways, byways and unclassified tracks. Single direction is the oddity.
At a weekend I'd only ride on the marked trails up there the way that it's signed, it just gets too damn busy now to to ride it the older way round on lots of it. Ride it during the week, or early/late in the day at weekends & it's still quiet. Don't find much of it rides better the opposite way round to be fair & most of what's signed it fairly new (within the last 5 years anyway)
Generally the trails existed long before your poxy little arrows got put up
Not so for the Welsh trail centres I'm afraid. They were mostly constructed specifically with a single direction of travel in mind.
By all means have trail markers to show that this track is part of the black loop, or whatever. Just don't make them one way only. Fairly simple really.
Er, if I chuck myself down Whyte's black I'd be really quite pissed off if I ran into someone trying to ride up it. That would be a very stupid trail to have one way. Simple really.
I have ridden parts of Cwmcarn the wrong way to get back to the car - but only late in the evening or at night. It's interesting, because the lines are all really weird the wrong way and not worn in like you expect at all.
[i]Er, if I chuck myself down Whyte's black I'd be really quite pissed off if I ran into someone trying to ride up it. That would be a very stupid trail to have one way. Simple really[/i]
Ignoring your mistake there (I agree it would be a stupid trail to have one way - that's my point), maybe you just need to slow down a bit.
Are you seriously telling me you want to have people riding down that steep bit of Whyte's black when you are trying to ride up it? Would you stop on the steep chutes and pull over with a cheery hello when you're hurtling down it?
maybe you just need to slow down a bit.
I always ride such that I am able to stop. However that wouldn't be very easy on a trail like that. Why would you want to make them two-way when there's hundreds of miles of natural trails that you can ride any way you like? The point about a trail centre is that it's a dedicated trail that is meant to ride well and allow you to blat along without any distractions or interruptions. If it was two way you'd be passing people loads more often, and that'd break the flow.
Trail centres are a specific kind of riding, and that should be preserved. They are not general riding.
Would you like two-way traffic on say the Nurburgring? If it got dangerous you could just tell people to slow down and stop being so reckless....
[i]Are you seriously telling me you want to have people riding down that steep bit of Whyte's black when you are trying to ride up it? Would you stop on the steep chutes and pull over with a cheery hello when you're hurtling down it?[/i]
Sure, why not?
I've never ridden the Nurburgring. Is it totally gnarly?
Are people confusing themselves deliberately here? To me it's simple...
Most trails (call it 'natural' if you like...): Two way (even where some of them ride better one way than the other)
Built trails in trail centres: One way (or if you ride it the wrong way, know you're doing so at risk)
'Adopted' Trails (stuff that was always two way until someone stuck some signs up e.g. Ashton Court and Sherwood Pines): Two-way (but be aware people will innocently treat them as one way)
Sure, why not?
Daft.
I've never ridden the Nurburgring. Is it totally gnarly?
Are you.. mocking me?
BTW there are some natural trails that I wouldn't ride up - ones that are clearly used by local DHers, and they would be crap up anyway.
@ Murdoch
"This is a local trail for local people - are you local?"
Your comment about city boys - it was meant as a joke right?