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So you're fine with one guy being crucified because another got a way with it? Strange logic that.
dangerous thing. He drove his car at a vulnerable road user when he couldn't complete an ill judged manoeuvre (he could have hit the brakes instead but chose not to) then lost his shit when the cyclist complained ("Oh come on" I believe).I think the cyclist was in the wrong place at the wrong time when the driver did a foolish thing.
"foolish" is rather disingenuous
absativleyThere's something wrong with the system.
There is only one response in such circumstances..
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It's all ok. He's sorry now...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/australian-butcher-jason-wells-caught-in-extraordinary-road-rage-rant-at-cyclist-im-sorry-10291060.html
Interesting point highlighted by that Indy headline. He only didn't do something he wasn't supposed to because there were witnesses. I wonder what he gets up to in his kitchen when there is nobody to witness what he is doing (or those who do are directly employed by him) - irrespective of your feelings about this, would you want to eat in a place run by somebody who only feels constrained in his actions by the presence of witnesses?
I wonder what he gets up to in his kitchen when there is nobody to witness what he is doing
allegedly
[quote=nemesis ]He's [s]sorry[/s] getting worried now...
If anyone's curious about 'that photo' just look at @AnarchoBarista on Twitter. There's also some interesting opinions and stories about Jason Wells. Sometimes, the feeling of schadenfreude may well be justified... #boycottbrew is also a good search term.
No apologies accepted once the pitch forks are out and the torches are lit 😆
Of course. He's sorry it's going to affect his life/money/etc. I doubt he's actually sorry about trying to run the cyclist off the road.
Funnily enough, I've had a similar conversation on that road but going the other way and while both of us were still moving.
The behaviour on that video certainly isn't inconsistent with someone coked off their head... allegedly... those tweets are pretty damning if trueIf anyone's curious about 'that photo' just look at @AnarchoBarista on Twitter. There's also some interesting opinions and stories about Jason Wells. Sometimes, the feeling of schadenfreude may well be justified... #boycottbrew is also a good search term.
So what level of apology would work for the baying mob?
c'mon just how far should 'the mob rule' go? Two wrongs dont make a right. In my experience its truly very difficult to get somebody to truly see the world through your eyes and understand what they did wrong. They should certainly feel and show remorse to a believable level. Lance Armstrong has always failed on this count for me. But what would it take for you to forgive him?
I think he should be relieved of the privelege of being able to drive a car for a while. Being forced to ride a bike around London for a few weeks/months would do for me (that goes for any of these selfish thugs).
Just seen "the picture" on twitter, proper LoL 😆
So what level of apology would work for the baying mob?
One that comes across as genuine. Which admittedly risks it being managed by PR but that's how these things work.
the evil thing would have been to mail it to his wife "found this on craigslist" 😉
What bloody pic? Is this some kind of secret joke thing, like Mornington Cresent?
I think it's the one of he scales on the twitter feed.
Go to the Twitter link on page 7. If you really want to see a middle aged mans willy.
Ah. Right. No ta. I take it it's far from impressive?
So what level of apology would work for the baying mob?
The real answer to this is, mobs don't accept apologies. No matter how genuine they might be.
There will always be a reason not to accept whatever is offered.
What bloody pic?
was removed form here, but was of a POV shot of gentleman stood on a set of scales.
The combination of physical deficiency and the perspective of the photo showed a reflection in the surface of the scales of a very small member
it's like Scaramanga's third nipple, but lower down.
Ah. Right. No ta. I take it it's far from impressive?
He's not really apologising for his actions, is he?
If this hadn't all blown up in his face, he'd still be quite happy with the Billy Big Bollocks act, driving aggressively, getting all 'come on then, son' and flinging globs of spittle all over the place.
He's probably regrets not realising there was a camera on him & he's sorry that he's been caught and outed on social media, not sorry for how he behaved....
I struggle to find sympathy that it's all gone a bit wrong for him on social media.
I love the irony of his coffee mornings/bike fixing sessions.....
Yeah, he had ample time to apologise in the previous two weeks since the incident, and he chose not to. This apology is completely insincere and no doubt motivated by damage limitation. Oh well.
Of concern is that I'd never heard of 'Brew' cafes before, and now the name is all over Twitter. There's no such thing as bad publicity...
So you're fine with one guy being crucified because another got a way with it? Strange logic that.
That's not what I said. Having your business (slightly) damaged and your manhood mocked on Twitter is not even really a fair punishment for attempting to injure someone and then the intimidating verbal abuse / threats etc. People shouldn't be able to go around doing that sort of thing.
On a slightly different note, I wonder what would have happened had the police had been called at the time of the incident. I suspect they would have drug-tested him. Who knows what the outcome would have been after that, but it's a minimum year driving ban for driving while coked up. Which is all, of course, entirely speculative.
I love the irony of his coffee mornings/bike fixing sessions.....
Maybe someone should take a mangled bloodstained wreck of a bike in and ask for a quote to repair.
Apparently someone on twitter is going to organise a 'die-in' outside his café/bar establishments.
The aftermath of this will hopefully be a new found respect of cyclists by drivers. Unfortunately this may be because they're scared of being filmed but it will have the same effect. How ever it happens I welcome it. Stick or carrot (s****), I care not! I recommend every cyclist buys a fake camera and wears a 'CCTV' sticker/patch/badge front and rear.
[quote=Superficial ]Yeah, he had ample time to apologise in the previous two weeks since the incident, and he chose not to. This apology is completely insincere and no doubt motivated by damage limitation.
Well to be fair (I'm trying with great difficulty to be) there was no obvious opportunity for him to do so publicly until the video became public. Though the fact he had a spokesperson "no comment"ing after the video came out, but before the shitstorm really hit doesn't look so good.
On a slightly different note, I wonder what would have happened had the police had been called at the time of the incident. I suspect they would have drug-tested him. Who knows what the outcome would have been after that, but it's a minimum year driving ban for driving while coked up. Which is all, of course, entirely speculative.
Interesting and plausible speculation - it would explain a lot about his behaviour.
Just watched the vid..not read the 8 pages of comments
Whilst Mr Wells is clearly an absolute nugget, I'm not sure that the cyclist involved came out with much credit either...
Both appear to have anger management issues
What is wrong with these people...
[quote=tpbiker ]Just watched the vid..not read the 8 pages of comments
I presume you don't think your point might have already been made and answered several times?
Are you claiming that on STW someone had a go at the cyclist in an altercation with a car driver who ended up being convicted of a public order defence.
What are the chances of that happening eh ?
It's been a while but I do find that I'm a fair bit less cool than usual if I feel that someone has tried to hurt/kill me with their car. Even less cool if it's deliberate. I think that's generally fairly standard behaviour for humans.
What makes this incident special is that now it's gone public, a lot of other alleged 'misdemeanours' connected with this chap are coming out of the woodwork. And the naked tiny knob pic is just... priceless! This thread is worth reading. I can't keep away. I keep looking at twitter on my phone as well.
Must. Look. Away. And. Get. Some. Work. Done. Oh look, @theJeremyVine is having a go at him now!
Awoooga!...
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Appreciate the 'I struggle with long sentences' sentiment, but actually RATS would stop you making the same (fairly obvious) point that has already been made several times, AND is arguably the actual point of STW. Y'know; RATStrackworld.
EDIT; LOVING the auto edit for I.N.R.A.T.S. 😆 😆 😆 Brill
[quote=v8ninety ]Awoooga!...
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Well to be fair that's kind of inevitable after 7 or 8 pages. Maybe they should add a sticky to the top of every page of a thread after about 4 pages:
"Please RATS before commenting, somebody else has almost certainly already written what you're thinking"
I struggle with long sentences
(just to see what the substitution is 🙂 )
EDIT - it's true though 😳
A look at the "cycle infrastructure" along that road: https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/the-solution-is-design/
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aracer...
I presume you don't think your point might have already been made and answered several times?
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Yeah I thought it may have been, apologies for voicing my opinion without downing tools at work and spending an hour or so reading through the thread in detail. I genuinely didn't realise this wasn't allowed on here.[/s]
I couldn't care in the slightest whether it had or not...I was voicing my opinion which may or may not be the same as others on here
According to http://brew-cafe.com/our-story/ Jason Wells @BrewWells has a personal trainer.
Jason, it's not working. Get a bike.
No amount of personal training is ever going to fix [i]that[/i].
Can see this whole thing becoming a study topic for Social media marketing courses, all quite interesting really.
If all of the stuff coming out of the woodwork about this fella is even half true, then this is one of the best examples of karma I've seen for a while.
Interesting bit of social justice:
[url= https://www.change.org/p/jason-wells-founder-of-brew-cafe-cycle-to-work-for-a-year ]Petition[/url]
A nice steady stream of customers going in, ordering a coffee before patting their pockets, looking blank and saying "sorry; forgot my wallet" 😈
I hope none of his staff lose their jobs due to cyclists trying to take 'revenge' on the owner of the business.
You mean if people boycott his businesses? Sadly that's not the fault of cyclists, its his fault for being a ****.
Apparently he doctors time sheets, and doesn't pay them properly anyway. Coupled with the facts he's insolvent, and apparently has a fondness for subatsnces, its highly likely that they'd be better off elsewhere.
Is it disproportionate? well yes, but so is threatening to kill someone for little more than riding a bike.
Brilliant!!! He shall be saved.
https://www.change.org/p/jason-wells-founder-of-brew-cafe-cycle-to-work-for-a-year
Interesting bit of social justice:
What, 100 odd people signing a meaningless online petition? Wooo, way to go with the social justice, everyone!
As others have said, yes, he's an asshat, but there's a point at which the social media mob fires up the pitchforks that gets a little silly. Hoardes of people saying they're going to boycott the business when they never have, or never will, been anywhere near any of them anyway. Then, irony of ironies, people firing up their social media accounts to say he should be killed/punched/etc. The mob becomes as bad as the asshat.
I think it was Alex who posted a link to this earlier, http://www.amazon.co.uk/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594487138 It's very much worth reading, a valuable insight in to the new world in which pointless petitions are seen as "social justice".
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Well I'm going to boycott London, because that's where all his cafes are.
What, 100 odd people signing a meaningless online petition? Wooo, way to go with the social justice, everyone!
Did I say voice an opinion either way CFH? No, I didn't......
I just said it was interesting.
So, you know, dial down the sarcasm - it's not really required as it detracts from the rest your comment.
Apologies if that came out the wrong way, MrL, was more aimed that the concept that such a petition could, in any way, be construed as "social justice"! Which may have been your point!
[quote=aracer opined]Well I'm going to boycott London, because that's where all his cafes are.
Me too
Agree CPt and their was an interesting Radio 4 programme where the author was interviewed about that and that was what made me do my original lynch mob complaint..possibly womans hour or midweek???
Two wrongs still dont make a right even on the internet
We really must stop agreeing with each other 😉
We really must stop agreeing with each other
Your face or mine, sweety?
😉
Allegedly he's apologized.
If so, perhaps time to move on.
just seen this video and i know the 4x4 driver was a prick but did the cyclist really spit at him?
Well i will be carrying on going to Brew in Putney most weekends as there food and coffee is fricking awesome. Don't care if the owner is a dick, i am sure their are owners of many restaurants who are dicks, shouldn't really impact your decision making.
If the stories are true about the way he treats his staff, that would defiantly affect my decision making about using a business. In fact I would be quite happy to avoid any business that I knew was owned by an aggressive nasty dick head.
And in general I use information to help form decision making, you obviously use other methods.
Looked at the menu ,some of the prices look a lot for pretentious food Stopped going to several pubs run by dicks ,is that similar?!
Information - great food, great drinks, great service, great location (for me).
Speculation - one video of one man being wound up by a cyclist.
Speculation - "...if the stories are true about how he treats....."
Speculation - one video of one man being wound up by a cyclist.
LOL, it was the driver being wound up by the cyclist 😆
Information - man deliberately turns in on cyclist, jumps out of car and starts verbally abusing and threatening cyclist.
Anyway your statement was that knowing a business owner was a dick shouldn't inform your decision. I disagree I think it should.
Speculation - one video of one man being wound up by a cyclist.
It was only acting then ?
Wound up ? If he had come at me like that I think I would have floored him .The cyclist only says "oh come on" to start with and he went mental.
You know for sure exactly what happened prior to the start of that video do you?
Both the cyclist and the driver were being complete dicks. But you don't know how it started. I cycle along that road several times a week and the attitude of a large proportion of cyclists is extremely confrontational, as it is within Richmond Park just 1/2 mile down the road. Both peoples behaviour can not be excused.
We know another cyclist and car passed the cyclist first, so it is highly probable that that was "first contact". The cyclist was acting perfectly reasonably, normally and legally until an attempted assault with a two ton vehicle.
But you can pretend there is something more to it if you want.
Again speculation, not saying that is not what happened but you don't actually know do you?
That road is notorious for cyclists riding in an aggressive and anti-social manner and just prior to that video is a very busy junction so you have no idea what happened prior to the video.
As I said, the attitudes of both of them is appalling.
Why was the cyclist a dick ? He only gave as good as he got.
I too thought about challenging LHS but what's the point?
Either idiotic or trolling.
Irrespective of the knobbery of the owner, it says something relatively profound about people who voluntarily go to places where they expect you to eat off a slab of wood. 😉
I would love to ask for a plate instead of the chopping board it comes on
Again speculation, not saying that is not what happened but you don't actually know do you?
I can use the information available to me and make an informed decision. What I am not doing is speculating that there is something more to it that there is absolutely no evidence to support.
Either idiotic or trolling
A very intelligible comment.
I will leave it there, but again to reiterate you don't know what happened prior to that video being aired and discussing it within our cycling meet last night everyone agreed that the cyclist was being as much of a dick as the driver. If you have ever ridden along that stretch of road and seen some of the behaviours you may be willing to entertain the fact that not all cyclists are angels.
i wonder if the driver would have acted the same, if the cyclist was a tad more aggressive?
Both the cyclist and the driver were being complete dicks. But you don't know how it started.
yes we do, the gimp tells us why he's angry.... the cyclist should be on the cycle path and not the road. I'm sure if there were other reasons the gimp would have mentioned them.
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Speculation - one video of one man being wound up by a cyclist.
Do you know what the word speculation means? Clue its what you are doing when you suggest something may have happened before hand to cause it...oh the irony.
He has been convicted for this act and apologised for it so ther eis no speculation here we know he did it[/s]
Actually al nails it
EDIT: Ok not a troll.
A very intelligible comment.
LOL you might want to learn what that word means as well as you just failed to do it with that word . FWIW you meant intelligent
One of those days when I just love the internet and smart guys
It's very easy to take a one sided opinion but much harder to take a reasoned rational view.
Anyway, let's leave it there. The issue won't go away though, especially at weekends, too many cars driving inconsiderately on narrow congested roads and too many weekend warrior cyclists with go-pros looking for a fight to post on their youtube channel. Recipe for disaster.
One of those days when I just love the internet and smart guys
Attack and personal insults are the lowest forms of intelligence, you do know that right?
It's very easy to take a one sided opinion but much [s]harder to take a reasoned rational view[/s] easier to talk crap.
A perfect demonstration. ^^^